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On 10/18/2010 9:05 PM, Valorie *~ wrote:
"Lee Waun" wrote in message ... I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the newer 2011 version so I downloade Thunderbird and I'll it as it is more like the older outlook express that I did like years ago. You can also move WindowsMail to W-7 and remove WindowsLiveMail. Big mistake! WLM is far superior to WM. Maybe you just didn't bother learning how to use it. A quick Google will show that many people hate WLM. Not really. You'll see the first complaint posted and re-posted numerous times. We did so I loved WM from my Vista PC to my W-7 PC. Good for you. |
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"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message
... Jeff Layman wrote: On 18/10/2010 11:54, Lee Waun wrote: I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the newer 2011 version so I downloade Thunderbird and I'll it as it is more like the older outlook express that I did like years ago. Welcome to the TB club. I, like you, tried WLM with Win7, but found it too unreliable, as it frequently failed to post. IMO it wasn't as good as OE6 under XP. And if MS isn't going to fix the "show previous post" issue (ie it doesn't show anything, even a "" for previous text), that makes it unusable. Remember also that MS has no interest in Usenet news now - it prefers its own forums where it has full control. TB isn't perfect, but it is better than WLM. Me three. What I really wanted was OE6, but the closest proximity I could find is TB 2. It has the added advantage of being available in a portable version. I find myself sticking to older versions with a lot of programs. Actually I ended up taking thunderbird off the machine as I could not get it to filter out frank and alias. The message filters didn't seem to show any easy to use kill file filters so I put wlm back on this machine. I prefer wlm 2009 but can't find any download on microsoft. All I find is this 2011 version which I don't like but I have figured out most of it but I can't get it to quote when I reply to newsgroup posts. Have to do it manually. But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free experience. -- Crash What happens online, stays online. |
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"Jack" wrote in message ...
"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. How do you get it to quote without doing it by hand? I left your response unquoted. |
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On 19/10/2010 08:16, Lee Waun wrote:
(snip) Actually I ended up taking thunderbird off the machine as I could not get it to filter out frank and alias. The message filters didn't seem to show any easy to use kill file filters so I put wlm back on this machine. I prefer wlm 2009 but can't find any download on microsoft. All I find is this 2011 version which I don't like but I have figured out most of it but I can't get it to quote when I reply to newsgroup posts. Have to do it manually. But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free experience. You can always glance at the "From" column and make your own mind up. Very, very occasionally, when they remember to take their meds, Frank and Alias can come up with useful posts. -- Jeff |
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On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:
"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! -- Jeff |
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Lee Waun wrote:
"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ... Jeff Layman wrote: On 18/10/2010 11:54, Lee Waun wrote: I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the newer 2011 version so I downloade Thunderbird and I'll it as it is more like the older outlook express that I did like years ago. Welcome to the TB club. I, like you, tried WLM with Win7, but found it too unreliable, as it frequently failed to post. IMO it wasn't as good as OE6 under XP. And if MS isn't going to fix the "show previous post" issue (ie it doesn't show anything, even a "" for previous text), that makes it unusable. Remember also that MS has no interest in Usenet news now - it prefers its own forums where it has full control. TB isn't perfect, but it is better than WLM. Me three. What I really wanted was OE6, but the closest proximity I could find is TB 2. It has the added advantage of being available in a portable version. I find myself sticking to older versions with a lot of programs. Actually I ended up taking thunderbird off the machine as I could not get it to filter out frank and alias. The message filters didn't seem to show any easy to use kill file filters so I put wlm back on this machine. I prefer wlm 2009 but can't find any download on microsoft. All I find is this 2011 version which I don't like but I have figured out most of it but I can't get it to quote when I reply to newsgroup posts. Have to do it manually. But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free experience. Frank and Alias who? The filters are crude and awkward, but they can be made to work. My killfile, pioneered by Alias and Frank, is up to over 50 entries. -- Crash "The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion." ~ Arnold H. Glasow ~ |
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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...
On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! -- Jeff Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS |
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On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! [Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS] I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will see that they are all indented with , , and from my last post. I always try to post (and read) in plain text. If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any ? -- Jeff |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 00:16:38 -0700, "Lee Waun"
wrote: But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free experience. -- Crash Lee, it's confusing when you sign your post with Crash's name. |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:42 -0400, "news.aioe.org"
wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! -- Jeff Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is seriously broken. Adding the character to the quoted material when you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person before you to whom you're replying. Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply. And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet. |
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On 19/10/2010 1:42 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:42 -0400, "news.aioe.org" wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! -- Jeff Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is seriously broken. Adding the character to the quoted material when you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person before you to whom you're replying. Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply. And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet. Agreed with you on the HTML / plain text. Plain text is both sufficient and appropriate for posting and replying to usenet. LS |
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On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! [Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS] I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will see that they are all indented with , , and from my last post. I always try to post (and read) in plain text. If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any ? The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it). LS |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote:
On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote: On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! [Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS] I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will see that they are all indented with , , and from my last post. I always try to post (and read) in plain text. If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any ? The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it). LS My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org. It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature delimiter. I tend to ignore them. I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered. Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text Settings there's a checkbox. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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“Have you tried moving OE6 to your W-7 PC? It would have to go into the (x86) folder."
That will not work. OE will not work on Windows 7. However, Windows Mail from Vista can work if you copy it into W7... search for instructions if needed. Art [artfudd] Folden I'm a PC and Windows 7 sux less! ): !tol a xus llits liaMLW tub.. ---------------------------------------------- "Valorie *~" wrote in message ... "Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ... Jeff Layman wrote: On 18/10/2010 11:54, Lee Waun wrote: I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the newer 2011 version so I downloade Thunderbird and I'll it as it is more like the older outlook express that I did like years ago. Welcome to the TB club. I, like you, tried WLM with Win7, but found it too unreliable, as it frequently failed to post. IMO it wasn't as good as OE6 under XP. And if MS isn't going to fix the "show previous post" issue (ie it doesn't show anything, even a "" for previous text), that makes it unusable. Remember also that MS has no interest in Usenet news now - it prefers its own forums where it has full control. TB isn't perfect, but it is better than WLM. Me three. What I really wanted was OE6, but the closest proximity I could find is TB 2. It has the added advantage of being available in a portable version. I find myself sticking to older versions with a lot of programs. From what I see a lot of the changes in W-7 were not for the better. Now MS doesn't even give us an email/Usenet client. WLM is installed by HP before they sell their PCs. Have you tried moving OE6 to your W-7 PC? It would have to go into the (x86) folder. -- Crash What happens online, stays online. |
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On 19/10/2010 2:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote: On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote: On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! [Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS] I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will see that they are all indented with,, and from my last post. I always try to post (and read) in plain text. If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any? The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it). LS My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org. It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature delimiter. I tend to ignore them. I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered. Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text Settings there's a checkbox. It's not the signature, though. It was WLM 2011 messing up the reply. It is broken. Now as to your question is there an option to change the dahses to something else? Not that I can tell - you will have to contact Microsoft, I guess. If you do, while you are at it, please ask them to fix plain text posting in WLM 2011. Then I can use it again. Thanks LS |
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