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Avast! Emergency Update
On 2/21/2014 3:32 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message Having so many computers, I have different versions of Avast (free), mainly 7, 8, and 9. I used to always update to the latest program version (not to be confused with engine and virus definitions which I always update). But I noticed that the newer program versions have extra protection for computer noobs which interfere with experienced users. And Avast has out of the blue has upgraded to the latest program version without my permission. Since I rarely reboot my machines, sometimes when I do Avast will pop up saying installing Avast to the latest program version. And I like to walk away from my computers if I reboot and get some coffee or something. Of course, if Avast is updating the program it pops up a window asking if it is ok to install Google Toolbar and Google Chrome. The problem is, if you are not there, it will pick it is ok on its own after xx amount of minutes. Damn them, I hate Google anything! Anyway today on this machine AnVir Task Manager, warned me that Avast! Emergency Update wants to run in startup. I know what it is suppose to do, as it is suppose to override the regular updater (just in case it gets corrupted or infected). And while I have seen this before, I think this is how Avast sneaks the latest program version on some of my computers. Although I wouldn't know for sure until I rebooted, which could be months from now. Then I would have forgotten that I allowed this service to run. So this time I blocked it with AnVir. Does anybody know more about this than I do? No, not really. I just know that avast! updayed itself to the latest program version a month or so ago despite the fact that ALL updates are set to manual. I wrote to avast!, this was their reply on 12/27/2013... "There must have been a server issue which has resulted in forcing the avast! software upgrade on your machine. It of course shouldn't be happening at all and we are sorry for the inconvenience caused. It is enough to keep program updates on manual so that avast! wouldn't update itself (Settings Update PROGRAM Settings Manual update)" Yeah, right..."server issue". Anybody want to buy a bridge? Wow! I have seen it automatically update the program (when it was toggled off) on like two of my 30+ computers (so far it is pretty rare). It must have been done in the background and it doesn't tell you anything. Only rebooting did I see it was already downloaded and then installed during boot. I don't like it when it updates the program (sometimes without your knowledge) and you walk away when booting or rebooting and then that window pops up asking if you want Google Toolbar and Google Chrome installed. If you are not there, of course you are not going to click anything. You would think you are still safe until you get back. But no, if you are not there it times out in something like 5 minutes and automatically assumes it is ok. Then it installs that crap. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On 2/21/14 11:03 AM, BillW50 wrote:
Having so many computers, I have different versions of Avast (free), mainly 7, 8, and 9. I used to always update to the latest program version (not to be confused with engine and virus definitions which I always update). But I noticed that the newer program versions have extra protection for computer noobs which interfere with experienced users. And Avast has out of the blue has upgraded to the latest program version without my permission. Since I rarely reboot my machines, sometimes when I do Avast will pop up saying installing Avast to the latest program version. And I like to walk away from my computers if I reboot and get some coffee or something. Of course, if Avast is updating the program it pops up a window asking if it is ok to install Google Toolbar and Google Chrome. The problem is, if you are not there, it will pick it is ok on its own after xx amount of minutes. Damn them, I hate Google anything! Anyway today on this machine AnVir Task Manager, warned me that Avast! Emergency Update wants to run in startup. I know what it is suppose to do, as it is suppose to override the regular updater (just in case it gets corrupted or infected). And while I have seen this before, I think this is how Avast sneaks the latest program version on some of my computers. Although I wouldn't know for sure until I rebooted, which could be months from now. Then I would have forgotten that I allowed this service to run. So this time I blocked it with AnVir. Does anybody know more about this than I do? Bill, leaving beside the question of it updating with/without permission, I wonder why it's called and "Emergency Update", which in and of itself is not normal, AFAIK. I don't remember seeing the word "Emergency" used in the update popup as far as I remember. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 24.0 Thunderbird 24.0 |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On 2/21/2014 4:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 2/21/2014, BillW50 posted: On 2/21/2014 1:15 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On 2/21/2014, Char Jackson posted: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:03:29 -0600, "BillW50" wrote: Having so many computers, snip Does anybody know more about this than I do? Must. Not. Take. The. Bait! I was going to say LOL, but then I realized I'd possibly be helping to start a long, maybe inflammable, subthread. So I decided not to reply. See what you two clowns Char and Blue did? Somebody was going to say something intelligent and you discouraged them. So what are you two good for anyway? As Char said... And here I thought you were the intelligent one out of the bunch. :-O -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On 2/21/2014, BillW50 posted:
On 2/21/2014 4:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On 2/21/2014, BillW50 posted: On 2/21/2014 1:15 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On 2/21/2014, Char Jackson posted: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:03:29 -0600, "BillW50" wrote: Having so many computers, snip Does anybody know more about this than I do? Must. Not. Take. The. Bait! I was going to say LOL, but then I realized I'd possibly be helping to start a long, maybe inflammable, subthread. So I decided not to reply. See what you two clowns Char and Blue did? Somebody was going to say something intelligent and you discouraged them. So what are you two good for anyway? As Char said... And here I thought you were the intelligent one out of the bunch. :-O Well, now, I can't deny that, can I? :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On 2/21/2014 5:52 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 2/21/14 11:03 AM, BillW50 wrote: Having so many computers, I have different versions of Avast (free), mainly 7, 8, and 9. I used to always update to the latest program version (not to be confused with engine and virus definitions which I always update). But I noticed that the newer program versions have extra protection for computer noobs which interfere with experienced users. And Avast has out of the blue has upgraded to the latest program version without my permission. Since I rarely reboot my machines, sometimes when I do Avast will pop up saying installing Avast to the latest program version. And I like to walk away from my computers if I reboot and get some coffee or something. Of course, if Avast is updating the program it pops up a window asking if it is ok to install Google Toolbar and Google Chrome. The problem is, if you are not there, it will pick it is ok on its own after xx amount of minutes. Damn them, I hate Google anything! Anyway today on this machine AnVir Task Manager, warned me that Avast! Emergency Update wants to run in startup. I know what it is suppose to do, as it is suppose to override the regular updater (just in case it gets corrupted or infected). And while I have seen this before, I think this is how Avast sneaks the latest program version on some of my computers. Although I wouldn't know for sure until I rebooted, which could be months from now. Then I would have forgotten that I allowed this service to run. So this time I blocked it with AnVir. Does anybody know more about this than I do? Bill, leaving beside the question of it updating with/without permission, I wonder why it's called and "Emergency Update", which in and of itself is not normal, AFAIK. I don't remember seeing the word "Emergency" used in the update popup as far as I remember. Out of 30+ machines here, it is really rare for this to want to run at boot. It is suppose to be a second method of updating (according to searches on this) and takes charge in case the regular method ever fails for some reason. If it ever happens, it would do it in the background and most people wouldn't have a clue. Although I use AnVir and it looks for this stuff and asks if I want to block it or not. So otherwise I won't know either. I haven't proved this theory or anything, but I think they force it on a small percentage and it bypasses whatever your setting are and automatically updates everything without your permission. As it happened on about two of my machines already. So now I am very suspicious. I am in a perfect position right now to test this theory as I have "Avast! Emergency Update" temporary blocked from running on boot. All I have to do is to make a backup of this machine, release "Avast! Emergency Update" and see what it does. I am guessing after a reboot, it ignores all preferences and downloads the latest program and waits until the next time you reboot and then it install it. I only reason I believe this because I have seen this wanting to run at boot on like two of my other machines. Then I said fine and I don't recall which machines I allowed this on. And I rarely ever reboot any of my machines so that makes remembering worse. But about two of them also automatically installed the latest version on boot. Hmmm... so now I am thinking maybe it is this "Avast! Emergency Update" thing. The file name is a long hex name with dashes and looks something like a key + .exe. Something like 12345-6789-abcde-f12345.exe. Although if you check the properties description that is where you get the "Avast! Emergency Update" label. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On 2/21/2014, BillW50 posted:
The file name is a long hex name with dashes and looks something like a key + .exe. Something like 12345-6789-abcde-f12345.exe. Although if you check the properties description that is where you get the "Avast! Emergency Update" label. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...que_identifier -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:41:28 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Out of 30+ machines here, snip 30+ machines, you say? I should make a note of that because you so rarely mention it. Have you ever been diagnosed with SPS? You show signs... -- Char Jackson |
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Avast! Emergency Update
"BillW50" wrote in message ...
On 2/21/2014 4:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On 2/21/2014, BillW50 posted: On 2/21/2014 1:15 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On 2/21/2014, Char Jackson posted: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:03:29 -0600, "BillW50" wrote: Having so many computers, snip Does anybody know more about this than I do? Must. Not. Take. The. Bait! I was going to say LOL, but then I realized I'd possibly be helping to start a long, maybe inflammable, subthread. So I decided not to reply. See what you two clowns Char and Blue did? Somebody was going to say something intelligent and you discouraged them. So what are you two good for anyway? As Char said... And here I thought you were the intelligent one out of the bunch. :-O Try using WinPatrol (free version) and it will notify you when Avast tries the Emergency bit and you can just deny it. I have my free Avast Program Update set to "Ask when an update is available" and WinPatrol alerted me when Avast tried to do the Emergency Update bit. However, I do have my Virus Definitions set to automatic update. -- Buffalo |
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Avast! Emergency Update
In message , Char Jackson
writes: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:41:28 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Out of 30+ machines here, snip 30+ machines, you say? I should make a note of that because you so rarely mention it. Have you ever been diagnosed with SPS? You show signs... I was wondering why 30+; are you in the maintenance or retail business or something? I often think I've got too many computers (meaning Windows PCs) here, but only four are in anything like frequent use, and I don't think the total even including possibly non-working ones would reach 15. (What does the SP stand for?) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On 21/02/2014 4:32 PM, dadiOH wrote:
I just know that avast! updayed itself to the latest program version a month or so ago despite the fact that ALL updates are set to manual. I wrote to avast!, this was their reply on 12/27/2013... "There must have been a server issue which has resulted in forcing the avast! software upgrade on your machine. It of course shouldn't be happening at all and we are sorry for the inconvenience caused. It is enough to keep program updates on manual so that avast! wouldn't update itself (Settings Update PROGRAM Settings Manual update)" Yeah, right..."server issue". Anybody want to buy a bridge? I have never had Avast auto update itself; have always been notified that an update is available. AW |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:25:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Char Jackson writes: On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:41:28 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Out of 30+ machines here, snip 30+ machines, you say? I should make a note of that because you so rarely mention it. Have you ever been diagnosed with SPS? You show signs... I was wondering why 30+; are you in the maintenance or retail business or something? I often think I've got too many computers (meaning Windows PCs) here, but only four are in anything like frequent use, and I don't think the total even including possibly non-working ones would reach 15. Your first question is for BillW50. (What does the SP stand for?) It's sort of where a person forgets that they've mentioned something before, so they mention it again, especially where it relates to size or quantity. |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:03:29 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp. general You may want to try alt.comp.anti-virus next time... But I noticed that the newer program versions have extra protection for computer noobs which interfere with experienced users. Do a custom installation next time and uncheck all "tools". Your n00bs will only have 3 shields (of which Mail Shields can be disabled as well). Of course, if Avast is updating the program it pops up a window asking if it is ok to install Google Toolbar and Google Chrome. The problem is, if you are not there, it will pick it is ok on its own after xx amount of minutes. Damn them, I hate Google anything! I doubt that; AFAIK there is no (visible) timer during installation. Anyway today on this machine AnVir Task Manager, warned me that Avast! Emergency Update wants to run in startup. I know what it is suppose to do, as it is suppose to override the regular updater (just in case it gets corrupted or infected). And while I have seen this before, I think this is how Avast sneaks the latest program version on some of my computers. Although I wouldn't know for sure until I rebooted, which could be months from now. Then I would have forgotten that I allowed this service to run. So this time I blocked it with AnVir. Does anybody know more about this than I do? Yes, the people from avast!. You can use their webforum: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=2.0 -- s|b |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On 2/22/2014 9:43 AM, s|b wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:03:29 -0600, BillW50 wrote: Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp. general You may want to try alt.comp.anti-virus next time... Thanks. But I noticed that the newer program versions have extra protection for computer noobs which interfere with experienced users. Do a custom installation next time and uncheck all "tools". Your n00bs will only have 3 shields (of which Mail Shields can be disabled as well). Of course, if Avast is updating the program it pops up a window asking if it is ok to install Google Toolbar and Google Chrome. The problem is, if you are not there, it will pick it is ok on its own after xx amount of minutes. Damn them, I hate Google anything! I doubt that; AFAIK there is no (visible) timer during installation. There is a whole thread on this nonsense (7 pages worth). Topic: Google Chrome installed without my permission, very annoyed! http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=125379.0 Anyway today on this machine AnVir Task Manager, warned me that Avast! Emergency Update wants to run in startup. I know what it is suppose to do, as it is suppose to override the regular updater (just in case it gets corrupted or infected). And while I have seen this before, I think this is how Avast sneaks the latest program version on some of my computers. Although I wouldn't know for sure until I rebooted, which could be months from now. Then I would have forgotten that I allowed this service to run. So this time I blocked it with AnVir. Does anybody know more about this than I do? Yes, the people from avast!. You can use their webforum: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?board=2.0 P.S. I have intentionally set "Program Updates" to MANUAL... which is supposed to tell avast neither to check for program updates nor to automatically install them. I find it ironic that so called "emergency updates" --- in this case, merely a "migratory preparation" --- can defy this setting. Topic: Emergency Update 2013-11-21? http://forum.avast.com/index.php?top...992#msg1064992 -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:23:55 -0700, Buffalo wrote:
I have my free Avast Program Update set to "Ask when an update is available" and WinPatrol alerted me when Avast tried to do the Emergency Update bit. However, I do have my Virus Definitions set to automatic update. I have definitions set to automatic update (streaming), and program set to manual update. Avast changed the tray icon to indicate a alert, but did not perform the update. When I open the Avast user interface, it says a new program version is available but doesn't indicate any particular urgency. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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Avast! Emergency Update
On 2/21/2014 8:23 PM, Buffalo wrote:
Try using WinPatrol (free version) and it will notify you when Avast tries the Emergency bit and you can just deny it. I have my free Avast Program Update set to "Ask when an update is available" and WinPatrol alerted me when Avast tried to do the Emergency Update bit. However, I do have my Virus Definitions set to automatic update. Thanks Buffalo. I currently have AvastEmUpdate.exe blocked from ever running. So I should be good for now. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center |
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