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Vista - Current Disaster
Microsoft was talking about Vienna, before Vista was even out the door.
It sounds like FUD to me. They realized how crappy Vista was, so they wanted us to focus on the vaporware of the future. On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:17:43 -0800, Zim Babwe wrote: Who really cares about Vista and it's new features when the current Microsoft disaster has given so many people headaches and quite a few want to return to XP? Now we are speculating on Vienna? The body isn't even cold yet!!! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Vista - Current Disaster
"Zim Babwe" zimbabwe@if_you_think_i_am_going_to_put_my_real_e _mail_address_here_you_are_crazy.com wrote in message ... Who really cares about Vista and it's new features when the current Microsoft disaster has given so many people headaches and quite a few want to return to XP? Now we are speculating on Vienna? The body isn't even cold yet!!! To Hell with Vienna. Now it's perfect time for Microsoft to stop screwing around inventing new useless features and graphic interfaces (Aero is absolutely worthless) and look back a little and invest some time to backward compatibility. It's absolutely hideous to abuse its almost monopoly power and create an operating system that is incompatible with most of current popular programs and almost all dating a few years back. Vista's compatibility feature is a bad joke. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to Vista? Some REALLY NEW Features? I may just wait for Vienna. DSH "kpwood" wrote in message ... Since if I remember correctly, "Vienna" is supposed to be released in 2009 as of right now, I don't think they'll be getting bored anytime soon. -- Keith Wood CompTIA A+, Network+ "Marcus" wrote: "Richard Urban" wrote in message ... Microsoft didn't release PowerToys. They were done by Microsoft employees in their spare time (sort of a gift to the Window user community) and were unsupported by Microsoft. Maybe the employees currently do not have any spare time. Lets hope now Vista has been released they'll be getting board soon :-) |
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Vista - Current Disaster
To Hell with Vienna. Now it's perfect time for Microsoft to stop screwing around inventing new useless features and graphic interfaces (Aero is absolutely worthless) and look back a little and invest some time to backward compatibility. It's absolutely hideous to abuse its almost monopoly power and create an operating system that is incompatible with most of current popular programs and almost all dating a few years back. Vista's compatibility feature is a bad joke. Why would I want a new OS to run OLDER programs? I already have that... I want an OS that is going to run tomorrows software with tomorrows technologies. Besides Vista will run the majority of XP programs out there and if you are still running dos, win95-98 programs what are you even looking at vista for? Jeff |
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Vista - Current Disaster
Today, Poprivet made these interesting comments ...
Lots of people. Don't forget, all you'll see here are people wiht problems, not those for whom it's working properly and as expected. You get the "bell curve" lower end of things here. [snip] I agree. Newspapers and talk shows regularly have "call in" questions about problems or controversial issues. Basically, the only people who call in are those with problems, or those violently in favor of or violently opposed to the controversial question. Statistically, the sample of the total population of possible responders is so skewed as to be absurdly invalid. So, just looking at these MS NGs as a sample, it is but a small microcism of the total installed base of Windows, and besides newbies or folks coming in with their very first problem, many of the OPs and repliers are "regulars". That doesn't make anyone necessarily good or bad, I'm simply agreeing with you. If anyone had any real numbers, we could discuss the median and mean of people's experience on anything we like, but to really say anything, like "this is great" or "this really sucks", we would have to be able to calculate the standard deviation, sigma, and look to the two tails as you say. Plus, we would need to determine if the distribution curve is Normal or Gaussian, or skewed in some way to one or the other end. My belief is that Windows is skewed and whether the preponderance is that it is a very good or a very bad O/S depends on where in the release cycle it is as well as people's definition of "good" and "bad." -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Vista & Vienna
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
This is completely hypothetical, but I think Vienna will be more of an internet based OS. ------------------------------------------------------- Well, that certainly makes Good Sense. Internet Usage SHOULD be a Major Consideration in Vienna, but not a crippling one. DSH Absolutely! I second that! "Nina DiBoy" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Now THAT is helpful! Particularly this part: ----------------------------------- Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems September 7, 2006 In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has accumulated old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista). These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of security exploits. The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna. Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows Vienna's engine. It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system. http://www.windowsvienna.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ Sounds Quite Sensible... Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive. Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as Millennium. DSH ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... Microsoft Statement in Response to Speculation on Next Version of Windows http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...extVerson.mspx Third-party speculative info on Windows Vienna: http://www.windowsvienna.com/ -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "D. Spencer Hines" wrote: How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to Vista? Some REALLY NEW Features? I may just wait for Vienna. DSH This is completely hypothetical, but I think Vienna will be more of an internet based OS. -- Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group: http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks): "DRM is not added to anything in Vista." "Good poets borrow; great poets steal." - T. S. Eliot |
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Vista - Current Disaster
HEMI-Powered wrote:
Today, Poprivet made these interesting comments ... Lots of people. Don't forget, all you'll see here are people wiht problems, not those for whom it's working properly and as expected. You get the "bell curve" lower end of things here. [snip] I agree. Newspapers and talk shows regularly have "call in" questions about problems or controversial issues. Basically, the only people who call in are those with problems, or those violently in favor of or violently opposed to the controversial question. Statistically, the sample of the total population of possible responders is so skewed as to be absurdly invalid. So, just looking at these MS NGs as a sample, it is but a small microcism of the total installed base of Windows, and besides newbies or folks coming in with their very first problem, many of the OPs and repliers are "regulars". That doesn't make anyone necessarily good or bad, I'm simply agreeing with you. If anyone had any real numbers, we could discuss the median and mean of people's experience on anything we like, but to really say anything, like "this is great" or "this really sucks", we would have to be able to calculate the standard deviation, sigma, and look to the two tails as you say. Plus, we would need to determine if the distribution curve is Normal or Gaussian, or skewed in some way to one or the other end. My belief is that Windows is skewed and whether the preponderance is that it is a very good or a very bad O/S depends on where in the release cycle it is as well as people's definition of "good" and "bad." Lol, agreed! I didn't mean to get into a statistics 101 here, but the refresher certainly tripped a bunch of synapses! Considering the syntax and acronyms available, can't you just imagine such a discussion between two such self-appointed gurus on the subject in ANY usenet newsgroup? First would be the Normal vs. Gaussian controversey, followed closely by someone slipping off into Field Theory for an analogy, and then ... ahhh, brain ache! G Cheers, Pop` |
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Vista - Current Disaster
Today, Poprivet made these interesting comments ...
HEMI-Powered wrote: Today, Poprivet made these interesting comments ... Lots of people. Don't forget, all you'll see here are people wiht problems, not those for whom it's working properly and as expected. You get the "bell curve" lower end of things here. [snip] I agree. Newspapers and talk shows regularly have "call in" questions about problems or controversial issues. Basically, the only people who call in are those with problems, or those violently in favor of or violently opposed to the controversial question. Statistically, the sample of the total population of possible responders is so skewed as to be absurdly invalid. So, just looking at these MS NGs as a sample, it is but a small microcism of the total installed base of Windows, and besides newbies or folks coming in with their very first problem, many of the OPs and repliers are "regulars". That doesn't make anyone necessarily good or bad, I'm simply agreeing with you. If anyone had any real numbers, we could discuss the median and mean of people's experience on anything we like, but to really say anything, like "this is great" or "this really sucks", we would have to be able to calculate the standard deviation, sigma, and look to the two tails as you say. Plus, we would need to determine if the distribution curve is Normal or Gaussian, or skewed in some way to one or the other end. My belief is that Windows is skewed and whether the preponderance is that it is a very good or a very bad O/S depends on where in the release cycle it is as well as people's definition of "good" and "bad." Lol, agreed! I didn't mean to get into a statistics 101 here, but the refresher certainly tripped a bunch of synapses! Considering the syntax and acronyms available, can't you just imagine such a discussion between two such self-appointed gurus on the subject in ANY usenet newsgroup? First would be the Normal vs. Gaussian controversey, followed closely by someone slipping off into Field Theory for an analogy, and then ... ahhh, brain ache! G Pop, in another life, I did some computer programming of prob and stat stuff, then in a later life at Chrysler, I managed CAD and PC support people, so got to know the car guys at all levels from techs and designers to VPs. After a total of 33 years, in a wide variety of jobs, I can pretty well predict what goes into a car and how probability and statistics are used in the development and testing processes, including those of normal long-term proving grounds testing and the accelerated endurance runs with new launch vehicles, where they need to extrapolite very limited data into a go-no go decision to proceed with the launch or delay and fix some things. As to distributions, I'd have to dig out my text books, but what most people believe these curves to be is the normal or bell- shaped curve, but almost nothing in nature and certainly nothing that is manufactured obeys that exactly. I knew the guy who, in the 1970s/1980s held the exaulted title of Chief Statician for Engineering, he helped me a great deal and could tell you stories both sad and humorous until the cows came home. The reason I went off the deep end here was that my life has been built around facts, as best I can make it, and I get annoyed quickly with "they said" kinds of non-factual emotional responses. So, in the context of this thread, even though I have no Vista experience at all, I would say that the true nature of its quality is somewhere in the middle between total POS and the most brilliant operating system ever conceived. Depends a lot on who's counting, right? grin -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Vista - Current Disaster
"Jeffrey S. Sparks" wrote in message ... To Hell with Vienna. Now it's perfect time for Microsoft to stop screwing around inventing new useless features and graphic interfaces (Aero is absolutely worthless) and look back a little and invest some time to backward compatibility. It's absolutely hideous to abuse its almost monopoly power and create an operating system that is incompatible with most of current popular programs and almost all dating a few years back. Vista's compatibility feature is a bad joke. Why would I want a new OS to run OLDER programs? So that every time a new OS comes out, I won't have to scrap all my perfectly good software and start all over you stupid son of a bitch |
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Vista - Current Disaster
Jeffrey S. Sparks wrote:
Why would I want a new OS to run OLDER programs? john wrote: So that every time a new OS comes out, I won't have to scrap all my perfectly good software and start all over you stupid son of a bitch Who is actually the bigger 'stupid SoB'? Those who don't want to upgrade their older 'perfectly good software' after upgrading their 'perfectly good OS that it all works on currently'... or Those who went ahead and upgraded their 'perfectly good OS that everything they have works on currently' knowing that their older software/older hardware (written/produced usually by third parties with a specific OS and such in mind) probably won't work? Put more bluntly - why would you upgrade your OS if you had no reason to? -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Vista - Current Disaster
"with most of current popular programs and almost all dating a few
years back" Please post the source for this. My own experience has nearly 100% compatibility, it is 100% if I forget the program I installed simply to verify someone else's issue. While there are compatibility issues, they seem to be the minority and not "most of current popular programs", as you state. List all the programs you use including those that are compatible. Someone may be able to give you the solution that eludes you so far. 100% backwards compatibility is nearly impossible especially if you consider poorly written programs that no longer work because of their issues security and otherwise. Windows XP will be supported for at least a few more years so compatibility with Vista is not really an issue. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org "Jack Stone" wrote in message ... To Hell with Vienna. Now it's perfect time for Microsoft to stop screwing around inventing new useless features and graphic interfaces (Aero is absolutely worthless) and look back a little and invest some time to backward compatibility. It's absolutely hideous to abuse its almost monopoly power and create an operating system that is incompatible with most of current popular programs and almost all dating a few years back. Vista's compatibility feature is a bad joke. |
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