If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Rate Thread | Display Modes |
#31
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
In article , Wolf K
wrote: Established tort law makes it crystal clear that if you sell stuff, you take on an obligation to ensure it's safe. McDonalds didn't. On the contrary, they knowingly sold coffee that would cause 3rd degree burns. exactly. |
Ads |
#32
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
In article , Alrescha
wrote: you continue to ignore the over 700 other patrons who were seriously burned Yes, I ignore them, because they are a red herring. What part of "made with boiling water" do you fail to understand? It is not a surprise that a few dozen people a year manage to burn themseves. the issue was not the temperature of the coffee. the issue was that mcdonald's knowingly sold a product that could cause burns on contact and that hundreds of people had been injured, some by mcdonald's own employees (something which you keep ignoring), at the rate of more than one per week over a period of ten years, all of this by mcdonald's own testimony. what really did them in was that mcdonald's testified that they had no interest in trying to reduce the number of injuries, calling it 'statistically insignificant'. in short, they didn't give a ****, and *that* is why they lost. the number of galaxy note 7s that caught fire was also 'statistically insignificant' (100 or so, out of a couple of million sold), which caused not one, but *two* recalls and the ultimate cancelation of the product. |
#33
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
In article
Tim Streater wrote: In article , Alrescha wrote: On 2017-03-22 21:14:00 +0000, Silver-Tongued Heel said: The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot It is impossible for a beverage made with boiling water to be 'too hot'. That cup of coffee was the woman's responsibility the moment she paid for it. Not McDonalds, not the car company. Her pain was the result of her choices. We are all diminished by the fact that she successfully blamed someone else. As for our electrocution victim, I do not know what UK chargers look like, but in the US if the charger was in the tub, so was the end of the extension cord. Death was inevitable regardless of manufacturer. In the UK, power sockets are not permitted anywhere near water, generally. In particular not in a bathroom at all. This fathead ran an extension from his bedroom into the bathroom, plugged the charger in, got in the bath, then put the end of the extension lead and charger on his (wet) chest. The Apple charger will be the same as the US one, but with a different clip-on adapter as the plug is different. The ensemble is not meant to be submerged or even vaguely wet, evidently. -- "It is hard to imagine a more stupid decision or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." -- Thomas Sowell |
#34
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
In article
mike wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:54 AM, Yes They Are That Stupid wrote: Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards. Some folks simply can’t resist taking their smartphone into the bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage may be going one step further and also charging their device while in the tub. One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps to help prevent further such incidents. Cummings said that while smartphones “seem like innocuous devices … they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a bathroom,” adding that handset makers “should attach warnings” to the devices to warn of the risks. Problem with warnings is that the more you have, the less likely you'll read 'em all. A Mac user read? Did the moon crash into the earth? http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-charging- accident/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_ca mpaign=sidebar |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
In article
Anonymous wrote: In article mike wrote: On 3/22/2017 5:54 AM, Yes They Are That Stupid wrote: Here's a candidate for the annual Darwin Awards. Some folks simply can’t resist taking their smartphone into the bathtub to check their social media feeds or play games, and occasional reports of fatal accidents suggest a small percentage may be going one step further and also charging their device while in the tub. One such person, 32-year-old Richard Bull of London, died on December 11 from an electric shock he received when his iPhone charger touched the water of the bath he was in. The coroner examining the case, Dr. Sean Cummings, last week ruled the death as accidental, but said he intended to ask Apple to take steps to help prevent further such incidents. Cummings said that while smartphones “seem like innocuous devices … they can be as dangerous as a hairdryer in a bathroom,” adding that handset makers “should attach warnings” to the devices to warn of the risks. Problem with warnings is that the more you have, the less likely you'll read 'em all. A Mac user read? Did the moon crash into the earth? Yah, we know how well the windoze users can read. They call up the fake Micro$oft tech support and give them their credit card numbers. That is real smart. |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
Tim Streater wrote:
In the UK, power sockets are not permitted anywhere near water, generally. In particular not in a bathroom at all. Really? Well then, those stupid laws may have indirectly caused this guy's death. This fathead ran an extension from his bedroom into the bathroom, plugged the charger in, got in the bath, then put the end of the extension lead and charger on his (wet) chest. -- "Gosh, that's an interesting set of expectations when you try to make mere survival to be synonymous with success." - lying asshole "-hh" |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
"Jolly Roger" wrote in message ... On 2017-03-22, Alrescha wrote: On 2017-03-22 21:14:00 +0000, Silver-Tongued Heel said: The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot It is impossible for a beverage made with boiling water to be 'too hot'. Bull****. McDonalds reported during the trial that it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit, well above what a typical home coffee maker uses (generally between 135 and 140 degrees). *** I have a Tassimo coffee maker that consistently provides coffee with a brewing temp of 165-170°F. And I don't need a label on the side of my cup to tell me it's hot. And instead of having a suit against McD's for coffee that's too hot, she should have sued for them using paper cup that are too flimsy. The old ones definitely were (although I have never burned myself with their coffee or anyone else's), and the newer cups are heavier/thicker, and many come with the cardboard sleeve with the heat-sensitive glue that keeps it from slipping off the cup. Their own quality assurance manager testified that a burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above, and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing the "holding temperature" of its coffee. Liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds - such burns do not heal without skin grafting; and as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. For ten years, McDonald's coffee burned more than 700 people (including children and infants), many receiving severe burns to the genital area, perineum, inner thighs, and buttocks. That cup of coffee was the woman's responsibility the moment she paid for it. Not McDonalds, not the car company. You can blab such lies all day, but it won't change the reality that McDonalds definitely was responsible, which is affirmed by the ruling of the judges presiding over the case. The styrofoam cups they use are quite flimsy, and the top of the cups are often difficult to remove without squeezing the cup into a deformed shape, increasing chances of a spill. The liquid in the cup was so hot it could cause third degree burns within seconds. McDonalds failed to warn customers about that, even after some 700+ people had been scalded over a decade. Her pain was the result of her choices. The court system's position on this trumps yours; sorry. We are all diminished by the fact that she successfully blamed someone else. Bull****. My freedom hasn't been diminished at all. How has yours? *** Reply in-line -- SC Tom |
#38
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
In article
Tim Streater wrote: In article , Wolf K wrote: On 2017-03-22 18:14, Alrescha wrote: As for our electrocution victim, I do not know what UK chargers look like, but in the US if the charger was in the tub, so was the end of the extension cord. Death was inevitable regardless of manufacturer. I think your surmise is correct about how it happened is correct. Of course, the other factor is that the UK apparently doesn't require GFI receptacles in bathrooms. Sockets in bathroom in the UK are *forbidden*. End of story. -- "I love the way that Microsoft follows standards. In much the same manner as fish follow migrating caribou." - Paul Tomblin, ASR |
#39
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
In article
"SC Tom" wrote: "Jolly Roger" wrote in message ... On 2017-03-22, Alrescha wrote: On 2017-03-22 21:14:00 +0000, Silver-Tongued Heel said: The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot It is impossible for a beverage made with boiling water to be 'too hot'. Bull****. McDonalds reported during the trial that it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit, well above what a typical home coffee maker uses (generally between 135 and 140 degrees). *** I have a Tassimo coffee maker that consistently provides coffee with a brewing temp of 165-170°F. And I don't need a label on the side of my cup to tell me it's hot. And instead of having a suit against McD's for coffee that's too hot, she should have sued for them using paper cup that are too flimsy. The old ones definitely were (although I have never burned myself with their coffee or anyone else's), and the newer cups are heavier/thicker, and many come with the cardboard sleeve with the heat-sensitive glue that keeps it from slipping off the cup. Their own quality assurance manager testified that a burn hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above, and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing the "holding temperature" of its coffee. Liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds - such burns do not heal without skin grafting; and as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. For ten years, McDonald's coffee burned more than 700 people (including children and infants), many receiving severe burns to the genital area, perineum, inner thighs, and buttocks. That cup of coffee was the woman's responsibility the moment she paid for it. Not McDonalds, not the car company. You can blab such lies all day, but it won't change the reality that McDonalds definitely was responsible, which is affirmed by the ruling of the judges presiding over the case. The styrofoam cups they use are quite flimsy, and the top of the cups are often difficult to remove without squeezing the cup into a deformed shape, increasing chances of a spill. The liquid in the cup was so hot it could cause third degree burns within seconds. McDonalds failed to warn customers about that, even after some 700+ people had been scalded over a decade. Her pain was the result of her choices. The court system's position on this trumps yours; sorry. We are all diminished by the fact that she successfully blamed someone else. Bull****. My freedom hasn't been diminished at all. How has yours? *** Reply in-line -- SC Tom |
#40
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 3/22/2017 5:17 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her. And they walk among us? The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually. mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. |
#41
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
Jorge wrote:
*plonk* |
#42
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 3/23/2017 10:06 AM, PAS wrote:
On 3/22/2017 5:17 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her. And they walk among us? The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually. mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. To clarify: she was not driving the car, she was a passenger. The driver drove off while she held the cup of coffee between her legs. |
#43
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 3/22/2017 5:56 PM, Silver-Tongued Heel wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 22/03/17 05:34 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Snit wrote: The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. Was the car manufacture doing something outside the accepted norms and regulations of their industry? Had they been warned about this before? Were they actively ignoring those warnings? If so then I would say you are correct and they, too, could be held liable. the car had nothing to do with it. Yes, because the woman was burned between the legs as a result of there not being a cup holder in the car. She couldn't hold it for some reason and had no cup holder to place it into so she left the coffee cup between her legs. Doing so caused unimaginable damage and those burns were the reason she ended up suing the company. Do you know what make & model of car she was the passenger in when this happened? If not, what makes you claim that there was no cupholder in it? |
#44
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 2017-03-23, PAS wrote:
On 3/22/2017 5:17 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Silver-Tongued Heel wrote: I guess this goes along with the lady that burned herself with McDonald's hot coffee and won a suit that they should have warned her. And they walk among us? The reason the woman was burned, if I recall correctly, is because the coffee's temperature was too hot (obviously) and because the ****ty car she was in had no cup holder. In the end, if McDonald's can be sued for the coffee being too hot then the car manufacturer should also have been sued for not providing a place for the old bag to put her drink. you don't recall correctly, or at all, actually. mcdonald's knowingly served coffee that was far too hot for human consumption, which they knew could cause serious burns, which had burned over 700 other people and they had *no* interest in changing anything. Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. 1. The vehicle was stopped when the spill occurred. 2. The court ruled McDonalds was shirking their own responsibilities. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
#45
|
|||
|
|||
Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man'selectrocution
On 2017-03-23, PAS wrote:
On 3/23/2017 10:06 AM, PAS wrote: Of course, the woman who put the cup between her legs and drove away with it still between her legs bears no responsibility at all. To clarify: she was not driving the car, she was a passenger. The driver drove off while she held the cup of coffee between her legs. Nope. The car wasn't moving when she put the cup between her legs to remove the lid in order to add creamer, etc. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | Rate This Thread |
|
|