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Firefox 0.9.2
"kurttrail" wrote in message ... Tx2 wrote: In article , , a.k.a Steven K says... Have they fixed the bookmark sorting (a-z folders first)? does it work now? I hate browsers that cant do basic things like that... As opposed to what, browsers that open your machine up to the Russian mafia? I prefer a browser that opens up to the Sicilian mafia. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!" Once again, it shows you can take the boy out of Jersey, but.... :~) have a good weekend, kurt... ....danny |
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Firefox 0.9.2
Danny Mingledorff wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in message ... Tx2 wrote: In article , , a.k.a Steven K says... Have they fixed the bookmark sorting (a-z folders first)? does it work now? I hate browsers that cant do basic things like that... As opposed to what, browsers that open your machine up to the Russian mafia? I prefer a browser that opens up to the Sicilian mafia. Once again, it shows you can take the boy out of Jersey, but.... :~) LOL! have a good weekend, kurt... ...danny You too, Danny! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!" |
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Firefox 0.9.2
"DILIP" wrote in message
Have they fixed the bookmark sorting (a-z folders first)? does it work now? I hate browsers that cant do basic things like that... No, they haven't added that feature yet. But I presume all these things will be fixed by the time Firefox 1.0 is out. Hey, DILIP, you are the only one answering my question here! Bravo! Honestly, I thought like this since even with Mozilla it took them AGES to get this very basic "feature" done. Somehow like inventing the car but still featuring the square wheels (only). However, the development of the all new hexagon wheel looks promising.. :-) Steve |
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Firefox 0.9.2
Richard Urban wrote:
New version of Firefox (0.9.2) is now available for download! What about Thunderbird EMail client, can it handle Netscape Mail? |
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Firefox 0.9.2
Greetings --
I use both, as it happens. I'm not using Firefox for purposes of security, but rather education. (Heck, one of my other PCs is even running SuSE Linux 9.) Since I make my living supporting and repairing PCs, I think it a good idea to be familiar with more than just Microsoft Products. Bruce Chambers -- Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH "CZ" wrote in message ... Bruce: Why use Firefox? In terms of security, what does it do that you cannot do with the MSIE settings? TIA |
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Firefox 0.9.2
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message = ... Greetings -- =20 I use both, as it happens. I'm not using Firefox for purposes of security, but rather education. (Heck, one of my other PCs is even running SuSE Linux 9.) Since I make my living supporting and repairing PCs, I think it a good idea to be familiar with more than just Microsoft Products. I haven't used SuSe since the 8.0 flavor, do you like it, and does it = support the newer hardwares and many apps? I am thinking of getting Mandrake 10.0, but haven't decided, I still = have the 9.0. |
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Firefox 0.9.2
"Tom" wrote in message
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... ..... I am thinking of getting Mandrake 10.0, but haven't decided, I still have the 9.0. Oh, Mandrake still on the market? - I bought a copy of version 9 two years ago(or so) After 4 weeks it went straight into the bin. It's still light-years away from Windows comfort. Steve |
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Firefox 0.9.2
"CZ" wrote:
The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see. The tabs are nice, but they are among the least of what Firefox offers: built-in pop-up blocking, cookie control, download manager, DOM inspector. Support for multiple stylesheets also exists, and Firefox handles some (standard) HTML syntax that IE does not. -- Tim Slattery MS MVP(DTS) |
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Firefox 0.9.2
On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:17:56 +0530, "DILIP" wrote:
The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see. That's the (a?) trouble with MS: Short attention span. Team A susses out some angles, makes design decisions that neatly side-step a bunch of problems. Said problems never arise. Team B comes along and throws out the decisions team A brought to the party and gee whiz who'd have thought it, runs into what team A avoided. So it is with MDI. MDI (Multiple Document Interface) was one of the good ideas Win3.yuk made standard (some DOS apps were already doing this). Then IE did the five-dozen-heap-bleeding-separate-windows thing, complete with scrollbars on the Taskbar. Then they broke MS Office around Office 2000 to fit with this benighted IE design. So great, now I have to guess which of a dozen Excel instances is the one with the sheet I want to switch to. YUKK!! XP brings some sense to the madness by grouping instances of the same app, and that helps particularly when you can see what apps they are in the Taskbar group's pop-up. But Netscape 7.x (and presumably the open-source foundation apps it's drawn from, such as Mozilla if not FireFox) give you the best of both worlds - you can kick open a new window *or* a new tab. So; have three open Windows with different Google searches in each, and kick open each search's links as tabs in the same window. This is a sensible way to work. Thanks for the FireFox version heads-up, and links to that and new Mozilla. I haven't looked in that direction since Netscape 7.02, and will now be doing so. As it is, my standard practice is IE 6 SP1, Netscape 7.02 and the pre-AOL Netscape 4.8 (which I run with Java/JavaScript suppressed as a safer tyre-kicker). -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Tip Of The Day: To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature... -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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Firefox 0.9.2
That's how I browse as well. I go to a few websites everyday that find
their place in the Links (in firefox, bookmarks toolbar) folder and open them in different windows. The links from these websites are opened within the respective windows' tabs... The grouping in the XP toolbar hasn't suited my liking actually. I think anything more than a single click is too much, especially since the sub-grouping fails to be descriptive enough. However I like 8 apps in the Quick launch toolbar, which, along with the Desktop toolbar squeezed in on the right make for quite a small taskbar space. I think the biggest loser in this battle is Opera. They charge for the features firefox has, or can add-in with extensions, for free (including mouse gestures). And version 7.5 seems to have taken a few cues from firefox as well, it seems less claustrophobic now, if you know what I mean. :-) -- Replace the obvious with "hotmail" "cquirke (MVP Win9x)" wrote in message ... On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:17:56 +0530, "DILIP" wrote: The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see. That's the (a?) trouble with MS: Short attention span. Team A susses out some angles, makes design decisions that neatly side-step a bunch of problems. Said problems never arise. Team B comes along and throws out the decisions team A brought to the party and gee whiz who'd have thought it, runs into what team A avoided. So it is with MDI. MDI (Multiple Document Interface) was one of the good ideas Win3.yuk made standard (some DOS apps were already doing this). Then IE did the five-dozen-heap-bleeding-separate-windows thing, complete with scrollbars on the Taskbar. Then they broke MS Office around Office 2000 to fit with this benighted IE design. So great, now I have to guess which of a dozen Excel instances is the one with the sheet I want to switch to. YUKK!! XP brings some sense to the madness by grouping instances of the same app, and that helps particularly when you can see what apps they are in the Taskbar group's pop-up. But Netscape 7.x (and presumably the open-source foundation apps it's drawn from, such as Mozilla if not FireFox) give you the best of both worlds - you can kick open a new window *or* a new tab. So; have three open Windows with different Google searches in each, and kick open each search's links as tabs in the same window. This is a sensible way to work. Thanks for the FireFox version heads-up, and links to that and new Mozilla. I haven't looked in that direction since Netscape 7.02, and will now be doing so. As it is, my standard practice is IE 6 SP1, Netscape 7.02 and the pre-AOL Netscape 4.8 (which I run with Java/JavaScript suppressed as a safer tyre-kicker). -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Tip Of The Day: To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature... -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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Firefox 0.9.2
Another important advantage Firefox has, is that since it's a separate and
recognized entity, there are plugins/add-ons like StumbleUpon and the like, separately downloadable for it - Something like Crazy browser that piggy backs on the IE engine, fails to accept such Add-ons. Firefox also has more potential as an 'exciting' product for enthusiasts - With a wide variety of nifty extensions and skins available directly for download from the Mozilla site. The problem with the download manager is that it can't resume once firefox is closed completely. -- Replace the obvious with "hotmail" "Tim Slattery" wrote in message ... "CZ" wrote: The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see. The tabs are nice, but they are among the least of what Firefox offers: built-in pop-up blocking, cookie control, download manager, DOM inspector. Support for multiple stylesheets also exists, and Firefox handles some (standard) HTML syntax that IE does not. -- Tim Slattery MS MVP(DTS) |
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Firefox 0.9.2
Hi CZ,
Ultimately it comes down to what your personal preference and objectives are. Security really isn't an issue on my system, and since it's a home PC with a dynamic IP, I don't worry too much about it. I choose software for their utility value, and I don't deny that fact that Mozilla would soon be equally susceptible to security hacks. That's bound to happen as any software gains popularity. What I'm saying is that Firefox, *as a browser*, is a superior product compared to IE6. As far as Pop-upCop goes, I tried it and didn't particularly like it - It's way too intrusive for my liking. What I use is Ad Muncher. I don't like ads, pop-ups and background images - The rest enhances the browsing experience so I leave it as it is. -- Replace the obvious with "hotmail" "CZ" wrote in message ... The case for firefox is much more than just security. Do you realize that we've been using shoddy old technology in our browsers ever since XP came out? That was 2001 and there don't even seem to be differences in the rendering engine of IE6 in Windows 98, so it actually goes way back. The way firefox behaves makes even a slow connection seem sprightly. Even when I used to use IE, it was through Crazybrowser. The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see. DILIP: The age of the code does not interest me, usability and security do. IMO, XP with SP2 RC2 + MSIE + PopUpCop is excellent. security 1) Results: from testing browsers via http://www.mccanless.us/mozilla/mozilla_bugs.htm XP Pro SP1 with MSIE: fails XP Pro SP2 RC2 with Firefox v .0.9.1: fails XP Pro SP2 RC2 with MSIE: passes XP Pro SP2 RC2 with Firefox v0.9.2: passes So, be careful which version of Firefox you use (or wait for SP2). 2) Mozilla products also have holes: From: http://news.com.com/Security+hole+fo...3-5262676.html Security hole found in Mozilla browser Last modified: July 8, 2004, 9:40 PM PDT Developers at the open-source Mozilla Foundation have confirmed that the latest version of their Web browsers have a security flaw that could allow attackers to run existing programs on the Windows XP operating system. 3) Firefox allows active content that the combination of MSIE + PopUpCop blocks. Allowing active content as a default can be dangerous. My recommendation to my clients is to wait for SP2 and to use PopUpCop. http://www.popupcop.com BTW: what PopUpCop controls (perhaps MS should buy PopUpCop?) Popups Scripts Images Image animation Background sounds Flash movies ActiveX controls Text marquees Java applets Script timers Script mouse ticks Useless warning dialogs Cookie settings Meta refresh Resize Eyelets |
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Firefox 0.9.2
"DILIP" wrote in message I think the biggest loser in this battle is Opera. They charge for the features firefox has, or can add-in with extensions, for free (including mouse gestures). And version 7.5 seems to have taken a few cues from firefox as well, it seems less claustrophobic now, if you know what I mean. :-) -- I recently tried Opera again and still didn't like it. When I went to uninstall, Spybot kept coming up with UNWISE.EXE was trying to install eZula HotText. When I wouldn't allow it, UNWISE.EXE disappeared and I had to reinstall Opera. Much difficulty but finally got rid of it. Never again. Sticking to Firefox. Al |
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Firefox 0.9.2
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:43:05 -0500, Al wrote:
"DILIP" wrote in message I think the biggest loser in this battle is Opera. They charge for the features firefox has, or can add-in with extensions, for free (including mouse gestures). And version 7.5 seems to have taken a few cues from firefox as well, it seems less claustrophobic now, if you know what I mean. :-) -- I recently tried Opera again and still didn't like it. When I went to uninstall, Spybot kept coming up with UNWISE.EXE was trying to install eZula HotText. When I wouldn't allow it, UNWISE.EXE disappeared and I had to reinstall Opera. Much difficulty but finally got rid of it. Never again. Sticking to Firefox. Al I've tried the latest version of Firefox, still find it too "clunky" for my liking. Going to stick with my default browser of the past three years, Opera. Nice, smooth interface. I have uninstalled older versions of Opera when I'm ready to update, and have NEVER had Spybot alert me of anything. You myst have some other spyware somewhere accessing UNWISE.EXE when it starts. Opera does not have spyware. -- Albert Sims West Monroe,Louisiana |
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Firefox 0.9.2
"DILIP" wrote in message
Have they fixed the bookmark sorting (a-z folders first)? does it work now? I hate browsers that cant do basic things like that... No, they haven't added that feature yet. But I presume all these things will be fixed by the time Firefox 1.0 is out. Hey, DILIP, you are the only one answering my question here! Bravo! Honestly, I thought like this since even with Mozilla it took them AGES to get this very basic "feature" done. Somehow like inventing the car but still featuring the square wheels (only). However, the development of the all new hexagon wheel looks promising.. :-) Steve |
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