Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 01:42:00 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 00:58:07 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

There's another piece of this 'Get Windows 10' app that I've not
introduced solely because I wanted to first ensure folks understood its
'system readiness check' purpose beyond what other's claim the app
presence as 'nag' ware.

Not only does this Windows update tool provide (after reservation) a
current system Win10 readiness check it also has other benefits when it
reports device issues. Integration with Windows Update and the ability
to offer optional updated drivers.

Thanks, that's good to know. Unfortunately, it adds another nail to the
coffin.

Folks around here will elaborate about this or that update isn't needed,
its invasive, etc..but for those considering moving to Win10 listening
to that advice could very well be the wrong thing to do.

I realize that you have to say that.




It's true. There have been plenty of people stopping by this group
sincerely asking for information and receiving 'what they shouldn't do'
replies' not necessarily in the best interest of the questioner.

Indeed. I've seen over a half dozen posts recently advising people to run
the Win 10 readiness check under the guise of deciding whether to upgrade.
For some of them, they may not realize that the readiness check does
absolutely nothing toward helping them make a decision. Clearly, they should
be ignoring that tool until after they've decided to upgrade, making that
advice useless.

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 14:30:31 -0400, Neil wrote:

On 6/4/2015 11:19 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
If you use cloud apps and storage, if your internet connection goes
down, you're screwed. Plain and simple.

In that respect, the cloud is little different from any other digital
storage media. User practices determine how useful or risky the media
will be.

As I see it, MS has to offer cloud services because they have been
available from all of their major competitors for years. PC users who
are unfamiliar with cloud services have to become educated about them,
but their lack of experience doesn't in any way diminish the value of
those services.

Nor does their lack of caution in any way diminish the dangers, some
of which Ken quite correctly pointed out.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

| Let me know when you take advantage of the free offer. I don't believe
| you have the hutzbah to discount that offer and pay for it later.
|

hutzbah? Did you mean chutzpah? If so, that's a Yiddish
word, not English. It may not be widely recognized. If
you really meant hutzbah then I'm wondering what a
New York nightclub made out of straw has to do with
Windows 10.

On 6/4/15 11:22 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 9:42 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created
files
to one's machine or the cloud.

Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write
their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the
cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.

You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.

I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to
prevent theft.

What's OneCloud? ;-)

When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her
pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to
proper attachments.



Have a good day,

OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done
properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to
view or save the files will be present.

e.g.
http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2

Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window
for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture.
- this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be
done
for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download).

I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends
photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm invariably
asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already
signed in.

Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a link
the way your link does?



You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to access.

As sure as "God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain
in Indianapolis in the summer time." LOL

After it happened the 2nd time, we quit doing it. From the screen, I
know I was signing into something MS related, and it asked for my Skype
password.

Since we don't do this anymore, it's not that important. But if you're
curious, we can do an experiment, and keep track of what we do, and let
you know.

Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she
has only two options
- send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means Skype
is not in the sending equation
- share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form
(email, IM, sticky note, whatever)

http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4
- does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to
view.

That's a helluva fire!!!! But this test isn't valid, as I get the link
via text inside Skype.


I sent the link via Skype to another Skype contact before posting it
here. They didn't have to provide anything to view the picture and they
don't have use OneDrive or have MSFT Account (which provides them
OneDrive access)


It is a amazing fire...I just want to know who took the picture or even
painted the picture. Pretty Amazing

Next time you Skype with someone send them the link in an email or a
Skype conversation, have then skype it back to you and click on
it...I'll leave it shared for a month so you've time to test it or until
you report back your results.

We always have Skype windows, and neither of us Skype with anyone else.
I just copied and pasted your link. She'll probably check it the next
time she looks at the Skype window.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 6/4/15 11:22 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 9:42 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally created
files
to one's machine or the cloud.

Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to write
their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the
cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.

You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.

I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my documents to
prevent theft.

What's OneCloud? ;-)

When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to her
pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to
proper attachments.



Have a good day,

OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done
properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link. Options to
view or save the files will be present.

e.g.
http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2

Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window
for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture.
- this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be
done
for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download).

I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends
photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm invariably
asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already
signed in.

Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a link
the way your link does?



You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to access.

As sure as "God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain
in Indianapolis in the summer time." LOL

After it happened the 2nd time, we quit doing it. From the screen, I
know I was signing into something MS related, and it asked for my Skype
password.

Since we don't do this anymore, it's not that important. But if you're
curious, we can do an experiment, and keep track of what we do, and let
you know.

Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she
has only two options
- send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means Skype
is not in the sending equation
- share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form
(email, IM, sticky note, whatever)

http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4
- does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to
view.

That's a helluva fire!!!! But this test isn't valid, as I get the link
via text inside Skype.


I sent the link via Skype to another Skype contact before posting it
here. They didn't have to provide anything to view the picture and they
don't have use OneDrive or have MSFT Account (which provides them
OneDrive access)


It is a amazing fire...I just want to know who took the picture or even
painted the picture. Pretty Amazing

http://forestry.about.com/od/fireinf...Ever-Taken.htm

Next time you Skype with someone send them the link in an email or a
Skype conversation, have then skype it back to you and click on
it...I'll leave it shared for a month so you've time to test it or until
you report back your results.

The link opened fine for her. We'll be doing some experimenting later,
and I'll get back to you. Not sure if the testing will be today or
another day.




--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 11:22 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 9:42 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 8:54 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-04 8:59 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-03 9:44 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-06-03 8:04 PM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , . . .winston
escribió:

Windows Store app developers will be very strongly
encouraged to
default
to the cloud for data storage.


The Store is not an archiving location for saving locally
created
files
to one's machine or the cloud.

Are you being deliberately dense?

People developing apps for the Store will be "encouraged" to
write
their
apps such that those apps store the data they generate in the
cloud by
default, rather than locally.

Does that make more sense?

I won't use an app that doesn't have a local storage option.

You'll probably be forced to migrate to Linux eventually as a
result.
When even Office saves to OneCloud automatically, you know that
it's
just a matter of time before more applications take advantage of
the
fact that users are more or less forced to use a Microsoft Passport
within Windows 8 and above to save to the cloud.

I like it myself, but I have to admit that I encrypt my
documents to
prevent theft.

What's OneCloud? ;-)

When my sis-in-law got her new Win8 machine, she emailed links to
her
pictures stored in OneCloud, a PITA to retrieve. She's gone back to
proper attachments.



Have a good day,

OneDrive provides the option to send a link for sharing. If done
properly the recipient has to do nothing but click the link.
Options to
view or save the files will be present.

e.g.
http://1drv.ms/1H4o1N2

Clicking the above link will open the destination in a browser window
for viewing and option (upper left) to download the picture.
- this is just a simple example of a single pic but the same can be
done
for an entire folder of pictures (for view and/or download).

I don't use OneDrive, but a friend of mine does. She sometimes sends
photo links to me in Skype, and when I click on the link, I'm
invariably
asked to sign in with my Skype password, even though I'm already
signed in.

Where do point her to read the correct instructions so I can open a
link
the way your link does?



You sure about that. OneDrive doesn't require a Skype password to
access.

As sure as "God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain
in Indianapolis in the summer time." LOL

After it happened the 2nd time, we quit doing it. From the screen, I
know I was signing into something MS related, and it asked for my Skype
password.

Since we don't do this anymore, it's not that important. But if you're
curious, we can do an experiment, and keep track of what we do, and let
you know.

Fyi...if she uses OneDrive and obtains those links from One Drive she
has only two options
- send a link via email using her OneDrive account which means
Skype
is not in the sending equation
- share the file, obtain a link and provide it to you in any form
(email, IM, sticky note, whatever)

http://1drv.ms/1FY6zb4
- does this OneDrive picture require your Skype account password to
view.

That's a helluva fire!!!! But this test isn't valid, as I get the link
via text inside Skype.


I sent the link via Skype to another Skype contact before posting it
here. They didn't have to provide anything to view the picture and they
don't have use OneDrive or have MSFT Account (which provides them
OneDrive access)


It is a amazing fire...I just want to know who took the picture or even
painted the picture. Pretty Amazing

http://forestry.about.com/od/fireinf...Ever-Taken.htm


Next time you Skype with someone send them the link in an email or a
Skype conversation, have then skype it back to you and click on
it...I'll leave it shared for a month so you've time to test it or until
you report back your results.

The link opened fine for her. We'll be doing some experimenting later,
and I'll get back to you. Not sure if the testing will be today or
another day.




Thanks, I thought the link would work (as it should and did at this end).

I'm still waiting for additional feedback on the Skype pw request.

One comment received recently was(though clearly stated that it
shouldn't cause the Skype pw request for the recipient) had the sender
installed the Skype plugin for Outlook.com to Skype with the recipient
and inserted the link while using that plug-in from the Outlook.com (aka
Hotmail) Inbox.








--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Char Jackson wrote:

Indeed. I've seen over a half dozen posts recently advising people to run
the Win 10 readiness check under the guise of deciding whether to upgrade.
For some of them, they may not realize that the readiness check does
absolutely nothing toward helping them make a decision. Clearly, they should
be ignoring that tool until after they've decided to upgrade, making that
advice useless.


Imo, you missing the boat.

The readiness check is the only route for those considering Win10 to
determine if the system has or does not have device(s) and application
issues.

A stand-alone assistant will not be made available.


In case you haven't realized it yet...
With WU being the deployable method for Win10 it's one big integration
with a common foundation - WU
The Get Win10 App, Upgrade Assistant (UA), new WU Update, WU
compatibility updates for W7/8.1, WU offering optional drivers for UA
readiness issues, UA tool running monthly.

And what should also be obvious - telemetry feedback on the above.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 14:53:41 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Indeed. I've seen over a half dozen posts recently advising people to run
the Win 10 readiness check under the guise of deciding whether to upgrade.
For some of them, they may not realize that the readiness check does
absolutely nothing toward helping them make a decision. Clearly, they should
be ignoring that tool until after they've decided to upgrade, making that
advice useless.


Imo, you missing the boat.

Agreed, one of us is, and it appears to be you.

Here's what I've seen so far:
Q: Should I upgrade to Win 10?
A: (you) Run the app to see if you're good to go. If so, reserve your copy.

You don't seem to see anything wrong with that advice. You even defend it.

The question has typically been, 'should I upgrade', not 'is my system
compatible'. Those are two completely different questions, but you're
applying answer B to question A and calling it a day. That's really bad
advice, useless advice, IMHO. So I'm just out here having a bit of fun,
countering your bad advice when I see it, hoping to help someone along the
way.


The readiness check is the only route for those considering Win10 to
determine if the system has or does not have device(s) and application
issues.

A stand-alone assistant will not be made available.


In case you haven't realized it yet...
With WU being the deployable method for Win10 it's one big integration
with a common foundation - WU
The Get Win10 App, Upgrade Assistant (UA), new WU Update, WU
compatibility updates for W7/8.1, WU offering optional drivers for UA
readiness issues, UA tool running monthly.

And what should also be obvious - telemetry feedback on the above.

NONE of that is relevant, none of it, until a person has decided that they
want to upgrade. As I've said before, you've got the cart before the horse.

If you think it's worthwhile to upgrade to Win 10, that's fine, please share
your thoughts. Maybe others will agree with you, even me, but simply passing
the readiness test is absolutely NOT a reason to upgrade. If that's all
you've got, go ahead and stick a fork in it, it's done.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 14:53:41 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Indeed. I've seen over a half dozen posts recently advising people to run
the Win 10 readiness check under the guise of deciding whether to upgrade.
For some of them, they may not realize that the readiness check does
absolutely nothing toward helping them make a decision. Clearly, they should
be ignoring that tool until after they've decided to upgrade, making that
advice useless.


Imo, you missing the boat.

Agreed, one of us is, and it appears to be you.

Here's what I've seen so far:
Q: Should I upgrade to Win 10?
A: (you) Run the app to see if you're good to go. If so, reserve your copy.

You don't seem to see anything wrong with that advice. You even defend it.

The question has typically been, 'should I upgrade', not 'is my system
compatible'. Those are two completely different questions, but you're
applying answer B to question A and calling it a day. That's really bad
advice, useless advice, IMHO. So I'm just out here having a bit of fun,
countering your bad advice when I see it, hoping to help someone along the
way.


The readiness check is the only route for those considering Win10 to
determine if the system has or does not have device(s) and application
issues.

A stand-alone assistant will not be made available.


In case you haven't realized it yet...
With WU being the deployable method for Win10 it's one big integration
with a common foundation - WU
The Get Win10 App, Upgrade Assistant (UA), new WU Update, WU
compatibility updates for W7/8.1, WU offering optional drivers for UA
readiness issues, UA tool running monthly.

And what should also be obvious - telemetry feedback on the above.

NONE of that is relevant, none of it, until a person has decided that they
want to upgrade. As I've said before, you've got the cart before the horse.

If you think it's worthwhile to upgrade to Win 10, that's fine, please share
your thoughts. Maybe others will agree with you, even me, but simply passing
the readiness test is absolutely NOT a reason to upgrade. If that's all
you've got, go ahead and stick a fork in it, it's done.



Read it again
"only route for those considering Win10"

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 6/4/2015 11:07 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| To deny the user the option to save files to locations of their choice
| would be an enormous revision of computer functionality for at least the
| last 6 decades. Is it reasonable to think that such a disabling
| "feature" is likely to be implemented in Windows, or any other OS for
| that matter?
|

It's not impossible. Adobe Creative Suite
subscription stores files online by default.

Adobe Creative Suite is not an OS. So, it's merely up to the user to
look up the definition of the word "default" and make a decision about
how they want to move on from there.

[...]

Most of these things happen through a kind
of soft coercion rather than straightforwardly.
Microsoft doesn't have people arrested for
installing the same copy of Windows to two
machines. Instead, they make it nearly
impossible to do that. It's passive enforcement.
Adobe doesn't hold peoples' file hostage. But
it does require some effort and knowledge to
not be held hostage to their service.

It requires a lot less effort and knowledge than is required to use any
of Adobe's apps. If users can't handle it, they might do better to
restrict their graphic creativity to their smart phone selfies.

It's not farfetched to think that MS might just
make it unreasonably complex for most people
to control their files.

Well, we'll just have to disagree about that. There is nothing in the
history of the company that suggests such a thing. In fact, it's just
the opposite; people have *more* options than before, which is why I
find it so curious that there's so much whining about it.

[...]
Storing your work files online in any capacity is already
an "enormous revision of computer functionality".

Perhaps my age will show, but that capacity is all that existed when I
started using computers. Of course, what we actually used were dumb
terminals connected to a mainframe, but that is directly analogous to
networked cloud storage. Everything you've referred to w/r/t app rental
and cloud storage is a return to that modality, not a revision at all.
But, unless we wind up only with devices that have no internal storage,
I don't see any OS denying the user the ability to use that storage.

--
Best regards,

Neil

On 6/5/2015 12:36 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 21:47:46 -0400, Neil wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:

If anything, it's probably easier than ever to gather information, if one so
chooses. Win 10 articles are trickling out from various sources, and soon
there will be a flood of them, just like we've seen with every other new
Windows release. The pundits will hash and rehash the good and the bad,
which in its raw form may be too much for some people to digest, but over
time things will rise to the surface where they can be easily picked over.
Along with that, there are the Tech Previews for anyone who cares enough to
get a firsthand look, although I suspect most people will simply go with the
flow.

If anything, the huge number of sources of information are more
confusing than helpful.

Too much info is far preferable to not enough. If it's overwhelming to you,
choose a few sources that you personally trust. Simple.

I don't find it so much overwhelming as aggravating. Most of the
"information" is merely misinformed noise, and fishing through all of
that to find a few useful snippets is a grand waste of time. But, many
if not most users wouldn't be able to evaluate that "information"
effectively, which is the root of the problem I'm addressing.

[...]
Thanks. We're in agreement.

I'm not so sure. The "get Windows 10" tool that is the topic of this
thread is one of very few ways that one can "evaluate what they own with
what is coming next", and is probably the only way for those not deeply
involved in the technology.

How so? In what way does a readiness check help to educate a consumer about
the differences between what he/she has versus what's in the next release?

I didn't suggest that it does anything of the kind. What I've stated is
that if what one has can't handle what's coming, one knows that there
will be a significant investment to be able to take that step. At that
point, they have an idea as to whether any investment is justifiable.

--
Best regards,

Neil

On 6/5/2015 12:58 AM, . . .winston wrote:

Now, imo, it's not been a good idea to use Windows Update for drivers
and the preferred route is to obtain directly from the manufacturer's
site...and that has been long standing good advice but it would be
unreasonable to expect that every possible Win7Sp1/Win8.1 user will
follow the manufacturer path (nor would it be possible to even
considering counseling that same population to obtain drivers from the
manufacturer).

As I understand it, MS had required manufacturers to supply device
drivers to them for inclusion in the OS beginning with XP, which is one
reason XP was so bloated compared to Win2k. However, in many cases,
older hardware could be made "XP-compatible" with little effort because
the the underlying OS functionality was essentially unchanged. With the
introduction of Vista, that was over.

Bottom line, the app is the Upgrade Assistant/Advisor and capable of
measuring readiness of the current state and again in the future after
devices have been updated with later drivers.

However, with the declining use of hardware that is capable of being
upgraded, I think it's adequate to simply inform the user about the
incompatible aspects and leave it up to them how (or whether) to proceed.

--
Best regards,

Neil

On 6/4/2015 9:15 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/4/15 3:43 PM, Neil wrote:
On 6/4/2015 2:37 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 22:49:29 -0400, ". . .winston"

wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 02:41:07 -0400, ". . .winston"


My replies are based on the purpose of the 'Get Windows 10' app
deployed
via KB 3035583.

In case you haven't realized - installing or not installing the
app has
significance regardless of how it is interpreted as value-added,
non-value added, marketing-ware, junk-ware, etc.

1. The app includes the replacement for the Upgrade Assistant
(i.e. it
replaces earlier versions).
2. The only route to obtain a readiness for an existing system
(device
and applications) is to install the app **and** Reserve Windows 10
3.The app provides the option to 'Cancel' any reservation
4. The app can easily be removed by uninstalling the KB via
Programs and
Features/View Installed Updates
5. Windows 7 OEM and Full version media *and* OEM Pre-built units
will
disappear from the marketplace(look for that to happen shortly or
immediately after July 29, 2015) - Home is already gone, Pro will
soon
follow.

So far, I see no significant value in the things you've listed above.

There is no other route for folks who wish to move from Win7/8.1 to run
a system readiness check. If you see no value, how would you counsel
those people who do wish to move to Win10 when device and application
issues may be present ? Do nothing and cry later ?

As you've done in multiple other posts, you've got the cart before the
horse. The first step should be to educate oneself about Win 10 and
what it
brings to the table. That doesn't have to be done now; it can be done in
bits during the coming year. If, and only if, there's something
compelling
in Win 10 then that's the time to worry about 'system readiness'.
This bit
of education is by far the most important step, but you consistently
skip
over it and jump right to 'readiness'.

I would agree with you if this was 2005, but many things have changed
since then. Perhaps the most significant is that most people are not
likely to be able to educate themselves about what a new OS brings to
the table. For most of the two decades between 1985 and 2005, people
used their computers in pretty much the same way. But, during that
period, a paradigm shift in the way people work was taking place, and to
accommodate those changes, a lot of new devices were introduced along
with unique UIs and features requiring users to be a lot more
knowledgeable than before in order to do their jobs and manage their
content.

IME, starting with Vista, things became increasingly technically
complex, beyond the ability of users to understand the implications well
enough to determine whether an upgrade was in their best interests.

Not sure if I agree or not. LOL Are you saying the can't do it because
they simply can't understand it, or because they lack the knowledge to
understand it? I'd say the second part is the most likely reason.

For
example, how many do you think understood the implications of relative
resource allocation?

But, does the average user need to?

I'd say that if average folks did understand those implications, they'd
have known beforehand that many of their apps may not run reliably on
Vista, and they might have dumped those apps for apps created by
developers that followed the specs regarding system resource addresses,
(which was instituted for Win2k, btw).

--
Best regards,

Neil

On 6/4/2015 10:23 PM, Paul wrote:
Neil wrote:

We're in the beginning stages of a new work model.

You can believe that if you want.

Drab window decorations and bigger fonts, don't make it so.

Can I speak to the computer, and have it do the
work for me ?

"Hey Cortana, draft a report about the last business
quarter, placing several charts and graphs
showing gross and net profit. Use the same sort
of business English sentence structure you know
I'm famous for."

That would be a new work model.

That would be a new UI modality based on a work model that was typical
until about a decade ago. What I'm referring to is concurrent
collaboration on a world-wide basis, the ability to continue working
collaboratively as one travels long distances, accessing the same
content on a variety of devices and so on.

--
Best regards,

Neil

On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 16:09:45 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 14:53:41 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Indeed. I've seen over a half dozen posts recently advising people to run
the Win 10 readiness check under the guise of deciding whether to upgrade.
For some of them, they may not realize that the readiness check does
absolutely nothing toward helping them make a decision. Clearly, they should
be ignoring that tool until after they've decided to upgrade, making that
advice useless.


Imo, you missing the boat.

Agreed, one of us is, and it appears to be you.

Here's what I've seen so far:
Q: Should I upgrade to Win 10?
A: (you) Run the app to see if you're good to go. If so, reserve your copy.

You don't seem to see anything wrong with that advice. You even defend it.

The question has typically been, 'should I upgrade', not 'is my system
compatible'. Those are two completely different questions, but you're
applying answer B to question A and calling it a day. That's really bad
advice, useless advice, IMHO. So I'm just out here having a bit of fun,
countering your bad advice when I see it, hoping to help someone along the
way.


The readiness check is the only route for those considering Win10 to
determine if the system has or does not have device(s) and application
issues.

A stand-alone assistant will not be made available.


In case you haven't realized it yet...
With WU being the deployable method for Win10 it's one big integration
with a common foundation - WU
The Get Win10 App, Upgrade Assistant (UA), new WU Update, WU
compatibility updates for W7/8.1, WU offering optional drivers for UA
readiness issues, UA tool running monthly.

And what should also be obvious - telemetry feedback on the above.

NONE of that is relevant, none of it, until a person has decided that they
want to upgrade. As I've said before, you've got the cart before the horse.

If you think it's worthwhile to upgrade to Win 10, that's fine, please share
your thoughts. Maybe others will agree with you, even me, but simply passing
the readiness test is absolutely NOT a reason to upgrade. If that's all
you've got, go ahead and stick a fork in it, it's done.



Read it again
"only route for those considering Win10"

I've read it numerous times in numerous posts.

It's as I said above. People ask "Should I?" and you respond with the
readiness check. Read it again. There's no way to dodge it at this point.