AMD Processor and SP3

Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking for
the answer to my final question.

Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible 'trouble'
was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
(in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.

Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
AMD Athlon XP 3000+
2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM

In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.

The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys

My computer operating system reads:
5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)

Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0
--
5tulips

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
wrote:

Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking for
the answer to my final question.

Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible 'trouble'
was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
(in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.

Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
HP.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html

and he

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html

full results of Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t

Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
AMD Athlon XP 3000+
2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM

In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.

The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys

My computer operating system reads:
5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)

Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
wrote:

Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking for
the answer to my final question.

Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible 'trouble'
was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
(in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.

Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
HP.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html

and he

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html

full results of Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t

Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
AMD Athlon XP 3000+
2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM

In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.

The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys

My computer operating system reads:
5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)

Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0

It started to look good when I first started to read. I have a custom built
Computer (not OEM-HP); but now see that there is a possible video driver
problem (from personal experience, I know about that driver problem- have
been blaming it on trojans, but never could find them - have been having
that problem since rebuild with new ASUS motherboard and the ATI Catalyst
driver and nVidia driver (graphics board). Have already decided last month I
probably should replace the very old display adapter.

Actually, as I'm reading your suggested material, it was the Jesper article
that I first heard about the problem of AMD and SP3, but it would have been
at the very beginning of the discovery of trouble and before the
investigation set in. Later, I apparently was not aware that people were
really working on the problem, and never saw any later notes about it.

But I'm glad I asked the question one more time - it looks like I'm not a
candidate for installing SP3 (the motherboard, the display adapter, the
driver). I'll just keep up my backups and wait for "the really big one"
(crash) - then new hardware and hope Windows 7 is ready by then.

Thanks very much for the reading material. Everyone working on this problem
deserves accolades. Thanks R. Babbitt. This is the confirmation I needed.
--
5tulips

.........................................
"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
: wrote:
:
: Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking
for
: the answer to my final question.
:
: Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
: trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible
'trouble'
: was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
: (in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.
:
: Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
: HP.
:
: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html
:
: and he
:
:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html
:
: full results of Google search:
:
:
http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t
:
: Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
: AMD Athlon XP 3000+
: 2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM
:
: In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
: Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.
:
: The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys
:
: My computer operating system reads:
: 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
:
: Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0

It started to look good when I first started to read. I have a custom built
Computer (not OEM-HP); but now see that there is a possible video driver
problem (from personal experience, I know about that driver problem- have
been blaming it on trojans, but never could find them - have been having
that problem since rebuild with new ASUS motherboard and the ATI Catalyst
driver and nVidia driver (graphics board). Have already decided last month I
probably should replace the very old display adapter.

Actually, as I'm reading your suggested material, it was the Jesper article
that I first heard about the problem of AMD and SP3, but it would have been
at the very beginning of the discovery of trouble and before the
investigation set in. Later, I apparently was not aware that people were
really working on the problem, and never saw any later notes about it.

But I'm glad I asked the question one more time - it looks like I'm not a
candidate for installing SP3 (the motherboard, the display adapter, the
driver). I'll just keep up my backups and wait for "the really big one"
(crash) - then new hardware and hope Windows 7 is ready by then.

Thanks very much for the reading material. Everyone working on this problem
deserves accolades. Thanks R. Babbitt. This is the confirmation I needed.
--
5tulips

.........................................
"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
: wrote:
:
: Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking
for
: the answer to my final question.
:
: Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
: trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible
'trouble'
: was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
: (in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.
:
: Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
: HP.
:
: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html
:
: and he
:
:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html
:
: full results of Google search:
:
:
http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t
:
: Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
: AMD Athlon XP 3000+
: 2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM
:
: In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
: Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.
:
: The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys
:
: My computer operating system reads:
: 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
:
: Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0

5tulips said this on 3/15/2009 2:14 AM:
It started to look good when I first started to read. I have a custom built
Computer (not OEM-HP); but now see that there is a possible video driver
problem (from personal experience, I know about that driver problem- have
been blaming it on trojans, but never could find them - have been having
that problem since rebuild with new ASUS motherboard and the ATI Catalyst
driver and nVidia driver (graphics board). Have already decided last month I
probably should replace the very old display adapter.

Actually, as I'm reading your suggested material, it was the Jesper article
that I first heard about the problem of AMD and SP3, but it would have been
at the very beginning of the discovery of trouble and before the
investigation set in. Later, I apparently was not aware that people were
really working on the problem, and never saw any later notes about it.

But I'm glad I asked the question one more time - it looks like I'm not a
candidate for installing SP3 (the motherboard, the display adapter, the
driver). I'll just keep up my backups and wait for "the really big one"
(crash) - then new hardware and hope Windows 7 is ready by then.

Thanks very much for the reading material. Everyone working on this problem
deserves accolades. Thanks R. Babbitt. This is the confirmation I needed.
--
5tulips

........................................
"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
: wrote:
:
: Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking
for
: the answer to my final question.
:
: Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
: trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible
'trouble'
: was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
: (in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.
:
: Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
: HP.
:
: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html
:
: and he
:
:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html
:
: full results of Google search:
:
:
http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t
:
: Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
: AMD Athlon XP 3000+
: 2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM
:
: In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
: Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.
:
: The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys
:
: My computer operating system reads:
: 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
:
: Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0


My wife has an AMD chip but not HP machine too. I lamented a week over
it with her PC, and simply got a copy of Acronis True Image Home and
made 2 full images of her drive on a spare USB external drive. Tested
them and then turned off the AV software and firewall and run SP3.
You know, I have no issues. But I was well prepared in case it went
belly up.

Just a thought.

5tulips said this on 3/15/2009 2:14 AM:
It started to look good when I first started to read. I have a custom built
Computer (not OEM-HP); but now see that there is a possible video driver
problem (from personal experience, I know about that driver problem- have
been blaming it on trojans, but never could find them - have been having
that problem since rebuild with new ASUS motherboard and the ATI Catalyst
driver and nVidia driver (graphics board). Have already decided last month I
probably should replace the very old display adapter.

Actually, as I'm reading your suggested material, it was the Jesper article
that I first heard about the problem of AMD and SP3, but it would have been
at the very beginning of the discovery of trouble and before the
investigation set in. Later, I apparently was not aware that people were
really working on the problem, and never saw any later notes about it.

But I'm glad I asked the question one more time - it looks like I'm not a
candidate for installing SP3 (the motherboard, the display adapter, the
driver). I'll just keep up my backups and wait for "the really big one"
(crash) - then new hardware and hope Windows 7 is ready by then.

Thanks very much for the reading material. Everyone working on this problem
deserves accolades. Thanks R. Babbitt. This is the confirmation I needed.
--
5tulips

........................................
"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
: wrote:
:
: Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking
for
: the answer to my final question.
:
: Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
: trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible
'trouble'
: was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
: (in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.
:
: Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
: HP.
:
: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html
:
: and he
:
:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html
:
: full results of Google search:
:
:
http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t
:
: Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
: AMD Athlon XP 3000+
: 2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM
:
: In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
: Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.
:
: The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys
:
: My computer operating system reads:
: 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
:
: Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0


My wife has an AMD chip but not HP machine too. I lamented a week over
it with her PC, and simply got a copy of Acronis True Image Home and
made 2 full images of her drive on a spare USB external drive. Tested
them and then turned off the AV software and firewall and run SP3.
You know, I have no issues. But I was well prepared in case it went
belly up.

Just a thought.

Why would you be running the ATI Catalyst driver if you have an nVidia video
card, or did I misunderstand something there?

SC Tom

"5tulips" wrote in message
...
It started to look good when I first started to read. I have a custom
built
Computer (not OEM-HP); but now see that there is a possible video driver
problem (from personal experience, I know about that driver problem- have
been blaming it on trojans, but never could find them - have been having
that problem since rebuild with new ASUS motherboard and the ATI Catalyst
driver and nVidia driver (graphics board). Have already decided last month
I
probably should replace the very old display adapter.

Actually, as I'm reading your suggested material, it was the Jesper
article
that I first heard about the problem of AMD and SP3, but it would have
been
at the very beginning of the discovery of trouble and before the
investigation set in. Later, I apparently was not aware that people were
really working on the problem, and never saw any later notes about it.

But I'm glad I asked the question one more time - it looks like I'm not a
candidate for installing SP3 (the motherboard, the display adapter, the
driver). I'll just keep up my backups and wait for "the really big one"
(crash) - then new hardware and hope Windows 7 is ready by then.

Thanks very much for the reading material. Everyone working on this
problem
deserves accolades. Thanks R. Babbitt. This is the confirmation I needed.
--
5tulips

........................................
"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
: wrote:
:
: Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking
for
: the answer to my final question.
:
: Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
: trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible
'trouble'
: was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care
of
: (in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.
:
: Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
: HP.
:
: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html
:
: and he
:
:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html
:
: full results of Google search:
:
:
http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t
:
: Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
: AMD Athlon XP 3000+
: 2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM
:
: In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located
on
: Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.
:
: The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys
:
: My computer operating system reads:
: 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
:
: Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0

Why would you be running the ATI Catalyst driver if you have an nVidia video
card, or did I misunderstand something there?

SC Tom

"5tulips" wrote in message
...
It started to look good when I first started to read. I have a custom
built
Computer (not OEM-HP); but now see that there is a possible video driver
problem (from personal experience, I know about that driver problem- have
been blaming it on trojans, but never could find them - have been having
that problem since rebuild with new ASUS motherboard and the ATI Catalyst
driver and nVidia driver (graphics board). Have already decided last month
I
probably should replace the very old display adapter.

Actually, as I'm reading your suggested material, it was the Jesper
article
that I first heard about the problem of AMD and SP3, but it would have
been
at the very beginning of the discovery of trouble and before the
investigation set in. Later, I apparently was not aware that people were
really working on the problem, and never saw any later notes about it.

But I'm glad I asked the question one more time - it looks like I'm not a
candidate for installing SP3 (the motherboard, the display adapter, the
driver). I'll just keep up my backups and wait for "the really big one"
(crash) - then new hardware and hope Windows 7 is ready by then.

Thanks very much for the reading material. Everyone working on this
problem
deserves accolades. Thanks R. Babbitt. This is the confirmation I needed.
--
5tulips

........................................
"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
: wrote:
:
: Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking
for
: the answer to my final question.
:
: Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
: trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible
'trouble'
: was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care
of
: (in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.
:
: Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
: HP.
:
: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html
:
: and he
:
:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html
:
: full results of Google search:
:
:
http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t
:
: Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
: AMD Athlon XP 3000+
: 2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM
:
: In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located
on
: Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.
:
: The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys
:
: My computer operating system reads:
: 5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
:
: Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0

"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
wrote:

Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking
for
the answer to my final question.

Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible 'trouble'
was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
(in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.

Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
HP.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html

and he

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html

full results of Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t

Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
AMD Athlon XP 3000+
2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM

In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.

The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys

My computer operating system reads:
5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)

Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0

But it doesn't seem to affect all HP's with AMD's. I had a Presario SR1124NX
with an AMD that installed SP3 just fine, but my SO's 1 year newer Presario
took a dump when I tried to do it. Fortunately I was able to boot into safe
mode and remove SP3 in add/remove programs. I haven't bothered to try since
then, and since everything is working well on hers, I don't think I will
until it's absolutely necessary. By then, she'll probably be ready for a new
PC anyhow.

SC Tom

"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:13:23 -0400, "5tulips"
wrote:

Its time I installed SP3, but have put it off because I'm still looking
for
the answer to my final question.

Some time ago, I read that if you have an AMD processor, there could be
trouble when installing SP3. In that same article, the possible 'trouble'
was not identified, nor were there any instructions I should take care of
(in regard to the AMD processor) before I install SP3.

Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
HP.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Win...-SP3,5334.html

and he

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...-reboot_1.html

full results of Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?q=xp+sp...S284US284&aq=t

Is there a specific answer for this? Here are my specs:
AMD Athlon XP 3000+
2.09 GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM

In Device Manager, the manufacturer is Advanced Micro Devices, located on
Microsoft ACPI-Compliant System.

The driver details read: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\amdk7.sys

My computer operating system reads:
5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)

Details tab: ACPI\AUTHENTICAMD_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_10\_0

But it doesn't seem to affect all HP's with AMD's. I had a Presario SR1124NX
with an AMD that installed SP3 just fine, but my SO's 1 year newer Presario
took a dump when I tried to do it. Fortunately I was able to boot into safe
mode and remove SP3 in add/remove programs. I haven't bothered to try since
then, and since everything is working well on hers, I don't think I will
until it's absolutely necessary. By then, she'll probably be ready for a new
PC anyhow.

SC Tom

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:18:54 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:


"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
.. .

Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
HP.

But it doesn't seem to affect all HP's with AMD's. I had a Presario SR1124NX
with an AMD that installed SP3 just fine, but my SO's 1 year newer Presario
took a dump when I tried to do it. Fortunately I was able to boot into safe
mode and remove SP3 in add/remove programs. I haven't bothered to try since
then, and since everything is working well on hers, I don't think I will
until it's absolutely necessary. By then, she'll probably be ready for a new
PC anyhow.

SC Tom


Notice I said "certain computers made by HP."

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:18:54 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:


"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
.. .

Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
HP.

But it doesn't seem to affect all HP's with AMD's. I had a Presario SR1124NX
with an AMD that installed SP3 just fine, but my SO's 1 year newer Presario
took a dump when I tried to do it. Fortunately I was able to boot into safe
mode and remove SP3 in add/remove programs. I haven't bothered to try since
then, and since everything is working well on hers, I don't think I will
until it's absolutely necessary. By then, she'll probably be ready for a new
PC anyhow.

SC Tom


Notice I said "certain computers made by HP."

"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:18:54 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:


"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
. ..

Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
HP.

But it doesn't seem to affect all HP's with AMD's. I had a Presario
SR1124NX
with an AMD that installed SP3 just fine, but my SO's 1 year newer
Presario
took a dump when I tried to do it. Fortunately I was able to boot into
safe
mode and remove SP3 in add/remove programs. I haven't bothered to try
since
then, and since everything is working well on hers, I don't think I will
until it's absolutely necessary. By then, she'll probably be ready for a
new
PC anyhow.

SC Tom


Notice I said "certain computers made by HP."

I saw it; I was just giving an example. Strange that both HP PC's that I
dealt with had Asus MB's, but one went smoothly and one not at all. And the
MB's weren't that far apart (model-wise), and had the same chipset. Things
that make ya go huh!

SC Tom

"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:18:54 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:


"Raymond Babbitt" wrote in message
. ..

Problem appears to be one mainly afflicting certain computers made by
HP.

But it doesn't seem to affect all HP's with AMD's. I had a Presario
SR1124NX
with an AMD that installed SP3 just fine, but my SO's 1 year newer
Presario
took a dump when I tried to do it. Fortunately I was able to boot into
safe
mode and remove SP3 in add/remove programs. I haven't bothered to try
since
then, and since everything is working well on hers, I don't think I will
until it's absolutely necessary. By then, she'll probably be ready for a
new
PC anyhow.

SC Tom


Notice I said "certain computers made by HP."

I saw it; I was just giving an example. Strange that both HP PC's that I
dealt with had Asus MB's, but one went smoothly and one not at all. And the
MB's weren't that far apart (model-wise), and had the same chipset. Things
that make ya go huh!

SC Tom