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Today, Adam Albright made these interesting comments ...
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:44:55 -0700, "Justin" wrote: "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message .. . Ya got me again! How are you able to take advantage of fleet deals? Are you saying you go to the bigger web sites like the one you mention, who advertise very close to invoice deals? Any one can. Just get in touch with the fleet manager. You're trying to tell us you got a "fleet" price buying ONE car? Apparently he did. People can also find a way to get a "police package", or so I've been told, don't know how they do that either. First I call ed my local dodge dealer and asked for the nearest fleet dealer. Then I called them up. However, I must note this only seems to work with American companies. My $500 over invoice offer was laughed at by Toyota and Hyundai. The "invoice" price isn't what the dealer pays. Dealers get all kinds of incentives from the manufacturer that lowers his net wholesale price. The so-called invoice price is just another marketing gimic to dupe people like you that don't know any better. It isn't close to what the dealer actually pays. His cost is much less. Translation: You were taken. "All kinds" is an overstatement, but there are manufacturer incentives. My knowledge of the process is that it is more like 1, 2, or maybe 3% of invoice. Dealers also share both local and national advertising with the manufacturer and incentives are held back - or withheld altogether - based on if a dealer meets sales targets. MSRP is required by law, there is no specific law on dealer invoice or whatever you choose to call it. But, it can easily be found factually on the web or even estimated. As the price and profit potential rise, so does the spread between wholesale and MSRP, but for cars like Justin and I have been discussing, it averages about 9%. So, absent any customer rebates, one can SWAG "invoice" by taking 88-90% of MSRP. And, leasing isn't wild and wooly anymore, it is pretty much a straight percentage based on prevailing interest rates for the lessor and their believed residual price on turn-in. Be wary of using words like "dupe". There are old-fashioned horse traders but dealers cannot survive for long by screwing people, the word gets around. And, dealers will tell you that a large number, some say 50%, others 75%, of all customers come in with printouts of SPECIFIC cars they know is in the dealer's inventory and just dicker on price. It is indeed a buyer's market right now. Warranties are no longer a option for me. They are a requirement. Once the warranty is up then I'll keep a car until I feel I'm coming to a repair bill that would be best used for a down payment. You really babble a lot of nonsense. You're thinking the dealer you trade the car in at isn't going to give the trade-in a good going over and reduce the price he'll give you if you blew a transmission, the car needs break work or whatever? For your further education if you trade in a car the salesman is sizing you up and will decrease the value of the trade in perportion to what he "gives" you as a "deal" on the price of the new car to end up with the profit he figures you as the pigeon is willing to pay. You even wonder why those that sell cars in America are called DEALERS? Duh! Nobody mentioned what a dealer does or doesn't do to a traded in car. The discussion is about how to get the best value, which really means lowest cost/mile driven. You need to modernize your thinking, and talk to the Japanese folks if you haven't already. It is a WHOLE different biz than just 10 year ago and doesn't even resemble what it was in 1980-85. I bet you really believe when the salesmen walks away and tells you he's got to check with his manager if can lower the price the couple hundred bucks you think you were smart enough to 'talk him down' to is really doing that. Actually he's probably bragging to another salesman at the coffee machine saying, hey a got a real dumb kid that's all hot and bothered to pay $1,200 more for the same make and model I just sold this morning. LOL! That's absurd. Yes, sales droids DO take advantage of the gullibility of customers, and the easiest way to get taken is to give them a price/month you want to pay. They can get there dozens of ways. The best way is still to negotiate the actual buy price before you even talk about trade-ins. Get the real story on incentives before you walk in, and THEN talk about financing. In today's world of Internet selling, it is pretty damn hard to shade someone who'd done even minimal research, but if you're too stupid to live, then, yes,you'll be another notch on some hot shot salesman gun butt. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Today, TOM7601 made these interesting comments ...
You're probably right, no one *NEEDS* a hybrid automobile any more than anyone *NEEDS* a Hemi powered car. We buy what we want and if it feeds our perception of our environmental consciousness, or our driving skills, then so be it. Different strokes for different folks. Let's try to separate "need" from "want". Nobody needs a hot PC and nobody needs Vista. Nobody needs a hybrid nor a HEMI nor an F-150 nor a Mercedes-Benz S-650 for $150,000+. But, people want these things, or think they do. This is what freedom is all about, and is also what the free enterprise system is all about. And, yes, ALL companies try to implant the "need" in prospective customer's minds so they would rather die than not buy the thing du jour. Anyway, with the desert and mountains less than an hour away, I can make use of the 4X4... :)) -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Yeah, but prior versions that had the feature "Set it and forget it" to
enable real time defrag -would-, not could, -would- bring a system to its knees if DK kicked off when one was busy doing something else. Used to drive me crazy and one of the first things I did when testing on one of our project's images was to disable that feature. The new DK really does "real time" defrag well, without any performance penalties. Lang . wrote in message ... Disk Keeper, which Windows Defrag is based on, always had as its design goal to run without affecting performance (it was designed to run on 24/7 servers). When newer programs came out they used Dos techniques and did this and that because they were aimed at previous dos users who expected bells and whistles. People said bad things about DK because of its lack of features and didn't realise that it was designed to do one thing and to do it without hurting performance - that was to defrag a disk. "Lang Murphy" wrote in message ... Jerry, I guess those of us who don't experience a high level of power brownouts or blackouts are lucky. I've got a UPS on one PC here... the one my wife uses... but my other PC's are not protected by a UPS. Lang, your experience and that of many others is why I've tried to stay soft, and just relate that there CAN be reasons for doing things differently, depending on the realities of where you live, what you do with the PC, and your tolerance for pain. Well, nobody likes pain, at least those of us who don't subscribe to masochism. :-P Fully agree; different strokes for different folks as someone said back in the 70's, I think. Also different budgets... sigh As a sidebar, I've been using Diskeeper 2007 (10) for a while now and it's pretty cool. Has "new" technology called "Invisitasking" that replaces the old "set it and forget it" stuff which could really bring a seat to its knees if DK kicked off while one was using the PC. The new version is, to my eyes, completely unintrusive; I have never detected a system lag due to the DK service running. What is that, not familiar with it. My two are APC, about $150 each, 20-25 minutes for my PC, monitor, and external HD. Batteries need to be replaced every 4-5 years as total battery time drops, I think in the $50 range. Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear on what Diskeeper is... it's a defrag program. The one, in fact, on which Windows built in defrag is based. I probably got earlier msgs mixed up as someone earlier had mentioned scheduling defrags at night. The reason I mentioned this new version of DK was because I think the technology of "real time" defrag has reached a point where it is not intrusive to system performance which was not true in even the previous version of this product. Point being, with "real time" defrag, one doesn't have to schedule defrags. And... my comment was not directed at you... you appear to be someone who actually contributes assistance in this NG. Unlike the OP. Thanks, Lang, appreciate it. I have tried to turn over a new leaf from the flamer and anti-MS, anti-MVP creep I was last summer. Well, you certainly do seem to be maintaining an even keel... always a welcome relief here, especially when opinions differ. Thanks, Lang |
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As usual adam injects his own words into other peoples statements and just
plain ol' doesn't get it: "Adam Albright" wrote in message ... You're trying to tell us you got a "fleet" price buying ONE car? What part of that did you not understand? Every new car I've purchases has been a fleet deal. The "invoice" price isn't what the dealer pays. Who said it was? Are you ASSuming? The so-called invoice price is just another marketing gimic to dupe people like you that don't know any better. Hum. "I" don't know any better? $500 over invoice is WAY UNDER sticker. Maybe you should think about that again. Usually a new car like the HHR and the Nitro go for OVER sticker. Those are the people that don't know any better. Then people entertain themselves as they talk the price down to sticker. It isn't close to what the dealer actually pays. Very good! His cost is much less. Translation: You were taken. Nope! Try again. I do expect the dealer to make money. Do you really think if all they made was $500 then they would be in business? You're letting your attitude about me get the best of you. Slow down, calm down and think a while before you reply. You really babble a lot of nonsense. You think that because you never understand what I'm saying. Everyone else does. I don't know what to do about that. Once I give up and talk down to a Jr. High School level then you all of a sudden understand and claim that I've changed my story. Even though TWICE people have had to tell you that I said the same thing only in different words. You're on your own with that one. You're thinking the dealer you trade the car in at isn't going to give the trade-in a good going over and reduce the price he'll give you if you blew a transmission, Who the hell said anything about blowing the tranny? I never said that I BREAK the car before towing it to the dealer. I said, "until I feel I'm coming to a". Key word there is "coming". In either case, you're wrong anyway. I sense you know nothing about this area of business. If I take my F-150 and trade it in, I'll get FAIR market value and they'll wholesale the truck off because of it's high mileage. They will NOT sell the truck on the lot. They just want to make sure it runs. I have NEVER had anyone even turn my trade-in's on to check them out. I have always handed over the keys when they hand me my new keys. For your further education if you trade in a car the salesman is sizing you up and will decrease the value of the trade in perportion to what he "gives" you as a "deal" on the price of the new car to end up with the profit he figures you as the pigeon is willing to pay. You even wonder why those that sell cars in America are called DEALERS? Duh! This was all BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. There are salespeople that will adjust the car deal with the trade-in deal versus what you can afford per month. However that has NOTHING to do with how I deal. You have already forgotten about the papers I first hand them. I bet you really believe when the salesmen walks away and tells you he's got to check with his manager if can lower the price the couple hundred bucks you think you were smart enough to 'talk him down' to is really doing that. Actually he's probably bragging to another salesman at the coffee machine saying, hey a got a real dumb kid that's all hot and bothered to pay $1,200 more for the same make and model I just sold this morning. LOL! Once again, you have no clue. You already forgot that I don't deal with salespeople. DAMN IT! This discussion has me day dreaming about the Charger again.... |
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Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
As usual adam injects his own words into other peoples statements and just plain ol' doesn't get it: "Adam Albright" wrote in message ... You're trying to tell us you got a "fleet" price buying ONE car? What part of that did you not understand? Every new car I've purchases has been a fleet deal. The "invoice" price isn't what the dealer pays. Who said it was? Are you ASSuming? No one has says so, but when I read things that suggest that shysters in the dealerships are out to screw you over, it pretty much tells me two things: they're woefully out-of-date and/or ignorant of the changes in the industry and they're shopping at an American car maker's dealer which everybody knows is selling POS vehicles and need fast talking sales droids to push the iron. Dealer invoice, such that it is, can be determined from nonconfidential sources or very closely estimated by savvy buyers. The rest, both buyer and dealer incentives, are easily determined, and other "hidden" charges between the "real" price, the "invoice" price and the as-sold price can also be estimated. Often, a competent dealer, the sales manager if not the droid themselves, will show you what these extra are. You may or may not be able to chip away at them, but you can find out what they are. The only thing that matter, at the end of the deal, is the price YOU pay. The rest is just hogwash. And, for them who may think the foreign folk are better, yes they are. Clearly better. They also get a far higher piece of the difference between invoice less incentives to MSRP, because the reputation of the cars allows them to use less customer incentives and demand a higher portion of MSRP. That's the free market system at work. The so-called invoice price is just another marketing gimic to dupe people like you that don't know any better. Hum. "I" don't know any better? $500 over invoice is WAY UNDER sticker. Maybe you should think about that again. Usually a new car like the HHR and the Nitro go for OVER sticker. Those are the people that don't know any better. Then people entertain themselves as they talk the price down to sticker. Yes, so what? The real issue to Justin or you or me or anyone is this: can I do BETTER than that? How can it possibly matter if there are a dozen ersatz hidden prices? The one that matters at all is the one that YOU agree to by putting your John Hancock on the dotted line. It isn't close to what the dealer actually pays. Very good! His cost is much less. Translation: You were taken. Nope! Try again. I do expect the dealer to make money. Do you really think if all they made was $500 then they would be in business? You're letting your attitude about me get the best of you. Slow down, calm down and think a while before you reply. When customers are able to take advantage of some alternate form of employee discount, as I've discuess with you, they can see for themselves what the car really costs. But, this is important: no dealer is required to grant an employee discount even if the manurfacturer provides it nor do they have to honor fleet discounts for a non-real fleet buyer. Occasionally when a car is really hot, they will refuse EPs. You really babble a lot of nonsense. You think that because you never understand what I'm saying. Everyone else does. I don't know what to do about that. Once I give up and talk down to a Jr. High School level then you all of a sudden understand and claim that I've changed my story. Even though TWICE people have had to tell you that I said the same thing only in different words. You're on your own with that one. People for decades and decades and decades remember the bad old days prior to Rep. Monroney's landmark legislation passed in 1958 which created the mandatory MSRP labels that are commonly known as Monroney labels or stickers. But, if they've been screwed once or twice along the way, they develop a life-long hatred for the process and believe all sales droids are evil. Some are bad, but the great majority are honest. That said, their job is to generate the most profit for their boss, the dealer principle. They don't generate any if they blow the sale, so they must walk a thin line between trying to squeeze the last ounce of profit from the buyer at the risk he will bolt, or do a little better until there is a "deal". And, again, some 50-70% of ALL buyers come into the dealership with a sheaf of paper in their hand of the cars and their prices that they're interested in, and often strike a deal in only 15 minutes. In my case, the price isn't an issue because I know my EP forces them to show me the invoice, and right now, all dealers are taking EP on all cars, even Vipers and SRT8 rockets, so the time I spend in a dealership is the learning process on the new car(s) I'm considering past what I can learn on-line, test driving the one(s) I am considering, then the mechanics of signing all the pre-delivery paperwork and the novellete-size packet upon taking delivery. What's so hard to understand here? You're thinking the dealer you trade the car in at isn't going to give the trade-in a good going over and reduce the price he'll give you if you blew a transmission, Who the hell said anything about blowing the tranny? I never said that I BREAK the car before towing it to the dealer. I said, "until I feel I'm coming to a". Key word there is "coming". In either case, you're wrong anyway. I sense you know nothing about this area of business. If I take my F-150 and trade it in, I'll get FAIR market value and they'll wholesale the truck off because of it's high mileage. They will NOT sell the truck on the lot. They just want to make sure it runs. I have NEVER had anyone even turn my trade-in's on to check them out. I have always handed over the keys when they hand me my new keys. For your further education if you trade in a car the salesman is sizing you up and will decrease the value of the trade in perportion to what he "gives" you as a "deal" on the price of the new car to end up with the profit he figures you as the pigeon is willing to pay. You even wonder why those that sell cars in America are called DEALERS? Duh! This was all BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. There are salespeople that will adjust the car deal with the trade-in deal versus what you can afford per month. However that has NOTHING to do with how I deal. You have already forgotten about the papers I first hand them. Trade-ins, if one does that, is a very cut-and-dry process. It doesn't even matter what options are on the car. Its general condition is a minor consideration as is the mileage. The rest is taken from the modern form of the "blue book" and the customer is offered wholesale, or somewhat higher if that is what it take to "get the deal". Nothing at all magic here, either, and a prospective buyer can get within $100 of what he will be offered on-line so there's no surprise there. I bet you really believe when the salesmen walks away and tells you he's got to check with his manager if can lower the price the couple hundred bucks you think you were smart enough to 'talk him down' to is really doing that. Actually he's probably bragging to another salesman at the coffee machine saying, hey a got a real dumb kid that's all hot and bothered to pay $1,200 more for the same make and model I just sold this morning. LOL! Once again, you have no clue. You already forgot that I don't deal with salespeople. My sales droid did talk to his manager, but I know that guy, too, and BOTH came back, the sales droid to complete the deal, and the sales manager to say hello, shake my hand, and thank me for yet another car from him. My current Charger is just the first daily drive I've gotten from a dealer since my 1976 Volare, but I bought 3 Dodges for my daughter and one Eagle Talon, so I AM familiar with the process first hand. DAMN IT! This discussion has me day dreaming about the Charger again.... Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse to salve my conscience that I really need that much power. Man, it sure would be fun! -- HP, aka Jerry |
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HEMI-Powered wrote:
Today, TOM7601 made these interesting comments ... You're probably right, no one *NEEDS* a hybrid automobile any more than anyone *NEEDS* a Hemi powered car. We buy what we want and if it feeds our perception of our environmental consciousness, or our driving skills, then so be it. Different strokes for different folks. Let's try to separate "need" from "want". Nobody needs a hot PC and nobody needs Vista. Nobody needs a hybrid nor a HEMI nor an F-150 nor a Mercedes-Benz S-650 for $150,000+. But, people want these things, or think they do. This is what freedom is all about, and is also what the free enterprise system is all about. And, yes, ALL companies try to implant the "need" in prospective customer's minds so they would rather die than not buy the thing du jour. Anyway, with the desert and mountains less than an hour away, I can make use of the 4X4... :)) I thought that formatting *NEEDS* the way I did, I was making a distinction of sorts. Nest time I'll try to make the distinction more clear (double-double?) by including *WANT* for those who are slow on the uptake. Thanks for the heads-up... :)) -- Tom - Vista, CA |
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"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
... Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse to salve my conscience that I really need that much power. Man, it sure would be fun! Less time on road = less fuel spent. The quicker you get their the less time you're on the road! The SRT8 will SAVE you money! |
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Today, TOM7601 made these interesting comments ...
HEMI-Powered wrote: Today, TOM7601 made these interesting comments ... You're probably right, no one *NEEDS* a hybrid automobile any more than anyone *NEEDS* a Hemi powered car. We buy what we want and if it feeds our perception of our environmental consciousness, or our driving skills, then so be it. Different strokes for different folks. Let's try to separate "need" from "want". Nobody needs a hot PC and nobody needs Vista. Nobody needs a hybrid nor a HEMI nor an F-150 nor a Mercedes-Benz S-650 for $150,000+. But, people want these things, or think they do. This is what freedom is all about, and is also what the free enterprise system is all about. And, yes, ALL companies try to implant the "need" in prospective customer's minds so they would rather die than not buy the thing du jour. Anyway, with the desert and mountains less than an hour away, I can make use of the 4X4... :)) I thought that formatting *NEEDS* the way I did, I was making a distinction of sorts. Nest time I'll try to make the distinction more clear (double-double?) by including *WANT* for those who are slow on the uptake. Thanks for the heads-up... :)) Tom, who of us are you arguing with and why? I believe, and have stated so several times, that buying decisions for ALL products hard or soft, consumer or vehicular, application SW or O/S is all about freedom. Freedom to choose, freedom to decline, freedom to buy what they want for whatever reason they want, and freedom to not buy what they don't want to buy. WRT vehicles, I can see really broad-based definitions of "need", "want", "desire", "lust for", "require", and other adjectives applied to cars as small as imported sub-sub compacts through the entire spectrum of car sizes, price classes, engines, features, etc. The, there's the people and cargo haulers, including traditional minivans or SUVs, and the trucks. More recently, we've seen the rapid rise of CUVs, again, all the way from sub-compact to really large. 4X4 vehicles abound, as do AWD which is different. Some folks want an off-road vehicle while others just want to pretent and still others just want to be safe in rain and snow. There's other market segments and many other quantitative and qualitative definitions one can use to "justify" why people do or don't buy what any of us may think they should. So, just because Justin has a F-150, someone else has a 4X4 truck or SUV, I have a 5.7L HEMI, lots of folks lust after the modern day muscle cars, and then there's the Prius crowd. So, as the old Wendy's ads used to say "where's the beef?" And, note that none of the protagonists in this OT debate have politicized the vehicle buying process nor evangelized any favorite brands/models nor disparaged any, that I can tell. I'll say it again: I may not like my company's competitures, but I sure as Hell highly respect them. The Asians and some European brands definitely do it right the first time, are price efficient, plant build time efficient, have outstanding quality, often superior fuel economy, and frequently competitive performance. And, while the American Big Three ARE improving rapidly across the board, the Asians are improving at a higher rate. So, I can and will respect your views, just keep it factual and no name calling, OK? Thanks. -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse to salve my conscience that I really need that much power. Man, it sure would be fun! Less time on road = less fuel spent. The quicker you get their the less time you're on the road! The SRT8 will SAVE you money! That's an interesting concept, Justin. In my best Mr. Spock-ism, "Capt. Kirk, I shall consider it!". Mebbe I should extend your rationale into one of those really swoopy M-B CLK cars they are calling 4-door coupes, which are drop dead gorgeous, full featured beyond imagination, and can stay with the best of 'em at the stop light Grand Prix. And, I can even use my EP discount to buy one. Lets see, $138K MSRP less dealer markup less EP, hmmm. Naw, mebbe better rething the SRT again .. Have a good one, and think Charger - or think Challenger. That's my next lust point. I imagine I may have to settle for "only" a 5.7L but then, mebbe my stock broker can boost me to 425 or 500 hp (if that is accurate scuttlebut). It's over a year away, as is Vista for me, so one can always dream ... -- HP, aka Jerry |
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:16:25 -0700, "Justin" wrote:
"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message . .. Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse to salve my conscience that I really need that much power. Man, it sure would be fun! Less time on road = less fuel spent. Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you) knows the faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It therefore will cost you more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH then it would at 60 MPH. |
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"Adam Albright" wrote in message
... Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you) knows the faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It therefore will cost you more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH then it would at 60 MPH. Damn dude. You seriously are dumber then dog crap. Jerry wrote: "Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince me" You really need to learn to read something then STOP! Think about it for a second. At least TRY to understand what you've read and then proceed. Unless you're just being like this for your own amusement. If so then I guess we need to just ignore you. |
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Today, Adam Albright made these interesting comments ...
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:16:25 -0700, "Justin" wrote: "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message .. . Me, too! Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince me to pop for that SRT8? I need some sort of excuse to salve my conscience that I really need that much power. Man, it sure would be fun! Less time on road = less fuel spent. Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you) knows the faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It therefore will cost you more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH then it would at 60 MPH. That's a yolk,son! grin I liked the irony of Justin's idea to give me the ammo I need to convince myself and my wife to let me have an SRT8, and I'm trying to extend that to maybe a Z-06, a Viper or - dare I say it? - a Ferrari Enzo. Gas using Justin's tongue-in-cheek logic should be so cheap the oil companies will pay me! -- HP, aka Jerry |
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Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
"Adam Albright" wrote in message ... Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you) knows the faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It therefore will cost you more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH then it would at 60 MPH. Damn dude. You seriously are dumber then dog crap. Jerry wrote: "Can you offer me some psycho-babble that will convince me" See my reply, Justin. I enjoyed your retort to me, and am now thinking of a Ferrari Enzo for a cool million, ought to be almost free to drive that dude at 212 mph! You really need to learn to read something then STOP! Think about it for a second. At least TRY to understand what you've read and then proceed. Unless you're just being like this for your own amusement. If so then I guess we need to just ignore you. People jump into the middle of a long-winded - mainly me - set of replies to replies to replies and can easily take things out of context. I cannot think of anyone that has enough brain cells to even button their shirt thinking that higher speed means higher fuel consumption, in general (the exceptions being narrow conditions where an engine controller can eke out more economy at slightly higher speeds, ala MDS). -- HP, aka Jerry |
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"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
... See my reply, Justin. I enjoyed your retort to me, and am now thinking of a Ferrari Enzo for a cool million, ought to be almost free to drive that dude at 212 mph! A 40 mile commute would take 11 minutes. You could go home for lunch and be back in time! People jump into the middle of a long-winded - mainly me - set of replies to replies to replies and can easily take things out of context. I cannot think of anyone that has enough brain cells to even button their shirt thinking that higher speed means higher fuel consumption, in general (the exceptions being narrow conditions where an engine controller can eke out more economy at slightly higher speeds, ala MDS). He knows what he did. He's been trolling for a while now. See the "Talk about WOW" thread. The trolls are now fighting with each other. I'm staying out of that one. |
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Adam Albright wrote:
.. Justin, you're really a funny character. EVERYONE (but you) knows the faster you drive the MORE fuel you'll use. It therefore will cost you more in fuel burned driving at 95 MPH then it would at 60 MPH. Not if you're coasting down a hill. No gas needed at all. In fact, you can turn the engine off completely. Alias |
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