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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
"R.Wieser" news
Wed, 07 Nov 2018 08:44:56 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
Arlen, How do you make ringtones on Windows for your phone using only freeware? ... 12. Audacity:File Export Export Audio myringtone.mp3 Let me get this straight: A ringtone on a Android phone is a straight forward .MP3, and you have no clue to how to find a freeware MP3 editor for on a PC ? Really ? They aren't sure how to do that or, create a ringtone from an already existing sample without using the 'proper' settings so they don't harm their android device. rofl. I'm not sure if the problem is: o finding ringtones o setting ringtones o making ringtones Right. You are *again* just naming EVERYTHING as being the possible cause of your problem. No matter how unrelated the problem fields are. ... A problem which you did not even bother to describe ! In other words: You are *AGAIN* trying to attract someone to tell you *everything*, effectivily demanding HUGE ammounts of effort being put into it by them, only so you can pick out the tiny bits you actually need. Yep. How many times do you need to do that - and lose people like Diesel, who seems to know more about what you are doing that you will *ever* know - before you realize that that only works for a short time, making you depend on a steady stream of new suckers^whelpfull people (a stream which can easily dry up) ? Based on their posting history I've discovered so far, they consider usenet to be full of new fish and so aren't concerned with running out of options. Yes, I'm still trying to help you - to fish for yourself (give a hungry man a fish and he will be back tomorrow, again hungry). I gave a considerable amount of thought to ignoring what they've previously written, dismissing it as that of an immature child and continuing with trying to help when reasonable to do so. I applaud you for you're willingness to continue doing so. I'm not sure that I will. -- To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber stalking, it's highly recommended you visit he https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php ================================================== = And he disappeared in a puff of logic. |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
Diesel,
Thanks for the post, I enjoyed reading it. Even if it was just for "schadenfreude" (yeah, I know. I should not be doing that ... ) And as I have set Arlens messages to go into write-only storage I read the below for the first time and really LOLed in its literal sense: If you do not trust that than pick yourself an MP3 editor which either offers automatic compressing, or has an inbuild oscilloscope (waveform viewer) where you can look at the waveform itself - and thus being able to spot where flattens against the top or bottom. WTF are you talking about Rudy? Not understanding what automatic compression might be (about) is one thing. Not having any idea what an oscilloscope is - and not googeling it, which was the reason I used the full word instead of the more common 'scope' - is another thing. But him ranting about how I know absolutily nothing together with that cracked me up. Ofcourse, his response to my suggestion to listen for a "tinny sound" was a good starter for it. He never heard of a volume knob I guess. Or that the tinny sound happens *way* before actually damaging the speakers ... That he didn't get that the volume might be already clipping against the MP3's maximum values and thereby causing the same tinny sound even on low volumes is forgivable. Even though I did mention the waveform viewer ... So much for his "years" of "experience" I guess. Though I once read that even someone having done the same thing day in, day out can boast about it that way. Even though that someone didn't learn anything to it after the first couple of days. :-) I have to wonder though: years of experience, having created 10.000 tutorials at the same time (another of his claims), how did he find the time to sleep and feed himself, let alone *live* ? It also means he must be, assuming one tutorial every single working day and starting at age 18, (way) over 50, but he still sounds like a 12 ...14 year old. How does he do that ? :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
"R.Wieser" news
Sat, 10 Nov 2018 09:38:35 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:
Diesel, Thanks for the post, I enjoyed reading it. Even if it was just for "schadenfreude" (yeah, I know. I should not be doing that ... ) ROFL. I probably shouldn't be either. Not understanding what automatic compression might be (about) is one thing. Not having any idea what an oscilloscope is - and not googeling it, which was the reason I used the full word instead of the more common 'scope' - is another thing. But him ranting about how I know absolutily nothing together with that cracked me up. Ofcourse, his response to my suggestion to listen for a "tinny sound" was a good starter for it. He never heard of a volume knob I guess. Or that the tinny sound happens *way* before actually damaging the speakers ... Aahahaha. Seriously though, when's the last time you actually hurt the speakers because you didn't have enough time to turn the volume down on a modern piece of gear? It's been awhile, right? LOL Excluding car amps/conversions guys; let's be fair. [g] That he didn't get that the volume might be already clipping against the MP3's maximum values and thereby causing the same tinny sound even on low volumes is forgivable. Even though I did mention the waveform viewer ... That you did. ROFL. Give him a cluebyfour, he just gets a headache. So much for his "years" of "experience" I guess. Though I once read that even someone having done the same thing day in, day out can boast about it that way. Even though that someone didn't learn anything to it after the first couple of days. :-) Muahahaha. I have to wonder though: years of experience, having created 10.000 tutorials at the same time (another of his claims), how did he find the time to sleep and feed himself, let alone *live* ? It also means he must be, assuming one tutorial every single working day and starting at age 18, (way) over 50, but he still sounds like a 12 ...14 year old. How does he do that ? :-) Oh man. I just opened that dew... excuse me.. I've a mess to clean up. -- To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber stalking, it's highly recommended you visit he https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php ================================================== = Everybody needs a little love sometime; stop mudding and fall in love! |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:08:48 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
Muahahaha. Hi Diesel (and Rudy, and Nil), Thank you for your intentionally helpful & very useful adult posts. The amount of technically useful information you impart is astounding. I'm sure everyone who reads tech details from the likes of you benefit. In addition to your purposefully helpful technically deep posts, we made good technical progress with actual commands in Audacity on actual MP3 files discussing actual frequencies going to actual speakers which have actual specs, etc., in another newsgroup. For example, we made good technical progress on the frequency cutoffs, where at the lower frequencies we chop them out entirely at the knee, but at the higher frequency points, we attenuate slowly. In addition, those purposefully helpful and competent adult technical experts advised we "normalize" and correct for dc offset throughout the trimmed audio, but that we omit some of the other tasks previously mentioned in the published tutorials. For all to benefit, as always, from the on-topic tribal tech knowledge, here are some snippets from that purposefully helpful adult conversation on another related newsgroup this week. ==== Manufacturers may choose to direct Ringer/Alarm/Notification sounds to both the loudspeaker and the earpiece speaker, in case one of them is covered. A few devices feature two loudspeakers to produce some kind of pseudo stereo - of course only in conjunction with pre-processing tricks, as the distance of the speakers would be much too small for real stereo. And it gets even more complicated, if you add in the headphone jack, bluetooth audio and noise cancelling microphone(s). This may be the reason why many smartphone SOCs provide discrete interfaces for the different audio sources and do the distribution and mixing in hardware. ==== Audacity is certainly a decent choice if you want to use freeware. It is also available for all major platforms, not only windows. ==== Shouldn't make any difference if you merge channels beforehand or let the phone's software do the same thing. They need to be merged at some point, though, as the ringer speaker is almost always mono. ==== You should filter out low frequencies, because they may cause distortion. Reproduction of high frequencies is usually quite dominant on small speakers, so you may want to attenuate them to avoid sounding too obtrusive ==== I don't think you need to attenuate loudness. Normally, the phone's software should limit loudness to a reasonable level. You may want to normalize loudness, though (& compensate for dc offset). ==== The bitrate does not and never did matter. Bitrate used to be a compromise between reproduction quality and storage requirements. In an era, where phones have multiple gigabytes of internal storage, there is no need to compromise anymore, let alone for a short sound sample. ==== Yes, the Audacity Trim command's behavior is quite strange. I usually use Cut, New, Paste instead when I'm happy with the current selection. ==== At least for a stereo track, the phone's software should be able to handle the stereo to mono mixdown nicely. However, if you are already in the process of editing the audio, there is no point in keeping a ringtone in stereo. ==== The ringtone ringer is a completely different audio path in the software and probably also in parts of the hardware. Which speaker it leads to, is manufacturer-dependent (but it will likely be the same speaker used for video and audio, just with different equalization). ==== A small phone speaker will likely not reproduce anything below 200Hz. If you're lucky, lower frequencies are properly cut off by the phone's software, if not, they will saturate the amplifier and cause distortion. ==== On the high frequencies, I would not cut them off, just attenuate them somewhat to get a less obtrusive sound. ==== As for normalizing, basically, it is an automatic gain control, which results in a similar loudness for all of your files. ==== Manufacturers may choose to direct Ringer/Alarm/Notification sounds to both the loudspeaker and the earpiece speaker, in case one of them is covered. A few devices feature two loudspeakers to produce some kind of pseudo stereo - of course only in conjunction with pre-processing tricks, as the distance of the speakers would be much too small for real stereo. And it gets even more complicated, if you add in the headphone jack, bluetooth audio and noise cancelling microphone(s). This may be the reason why many smartphone SOCs provide discrete interfaces for the different audio sources and do the distribution and mixing in hardware. ==== |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
On 12 Nov 2018, Arlen_Holder wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: In addition to your purposefully helpful technically deep posts, we made good technical progress with actual commands in Audacity on actual MP3 files discussing actual frequencies going to actual speakers which have actual specs, etc., in another newsgroup. Unnecessary waste of time. For example, we made good technical progress on the frequency cutoffs, where at the lower frequencies we chop them out entirely at the knee, but at the higher frequency points, we attenuate slowly. Unnecessary waste of time. In addition, those purposefully helpful and competent adult technical experts advised we "normalize" and correct for dc offset throughout the trimmed audio, but that we omit some of the other tasks previously mentioned in the published tutorials. Unnecessary waste of time. ..rest of verbal masturbation deleted.. You're welcome. |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
Arlen_Holder
news alt.comp.freeware, wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 07:08:48 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote: Muahahaha. Hi Diesel (and Rudy, and Nil), Thank you for your intentionally helpful & very useful adult posts. You're very welcome Arlen. The amount of technically useful information you impart is astounding. I'm sure everyone who reads tech details from the likes of you benefit. When I share such posts, I'm sure others who have interests along the same lines as my own do find them useful. Why wouldn't they? I also realize that my technical or in your case, not even really semi technical posts are, well, let's be honest here, well above your paygrade; so what's the point in posting really technical ones to you? If you'd like though, I can hunt down a few MIDs of some very technical posts I'm responsible for authoring, if you want to glaze your eyes over or allow me to make the point above hit home, harder. In addition to your purposefully helpful technically deep posts, we made good technical progress with actual commands in Audacity on actual MP3 files discussing actual frequencies going to actual speakers which have actual specs, etc., in another newsgroup. Who's we Arlen? You didn't contribute anything to the conversation. Rather, you've taken what you feel are the 'best bits' and sort of, compiled it into a faq or guide.. oh yea, what you're calling tribal knowledge. At no time have I seen you credit the authors from which you copied the material present, though. I guess you think because it's posted to usenet, it's automatically public domain material? For example, we made good technical progress on the frequency cutoffs, where at the lower frequencies we chop them out entirely at the knee, but at the higher frequency points, we attenuate slowly. Arlen, let me ask you something. Have you ever just copied a full length song that you've played and enjoyed on your PC over to your phone just to see how it sounds on the phone? Just for ****s and giggles.. ever done such a **** simple test? In addition, those purposefully helpful and competent adult technical experts advised Of which you are none... we "normalize" and correct for dc offset throughout the trimmed audio, but that we omit some of the other tasks previously mentioned in the published tutorials. dc offset is what, exactly, preferably in your own words, Arlen? For all to benefit, as always, from the on-topic tribal tech knowledge, here are some snippets from that purposefully helpful adult conversation on another related newsgroup this week. And there we go. the tribal knowledge file I wrote about above. You didn't contribute ANY of the material. You harvested it by suckering (hey, that's infact what you succesfully accomplished) people in the other newsgroups to give it to you. [big snip] -- To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber stalking, it's highly recommended you visit he https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php ================================================== = Faith without works is dead. - James 2:26 |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:27:17 -0500, Nil wrote:
Unnecessary waste of time. Hi Nil, You're very special indeed. What's appreciated, Nil, is that you know all the answers a priori. Like many on Usenet who know all the answers, you keep them to yourself. We hoi polloi on Usenet are lucky to have someone like you around to tell us where we're wrong. That's why I appreciate your purposefully helpful posts so very much. Unlike you, all I can do is augment information from the experts: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/tutorial_making_ringtones_and_ivr_messages.html for example: "Using the Effect Compressor will reduce the difference between high and low volume which allows you to make the ringtone louder overall. This suits small cellphone speakers which may not be able to handle large changes in dynamic range. You'll probably want to move the Ratio slider to right of its default setting of 2:1 to give stronger compression." "Many phone speakers cannot reproduce very low frequencies so consider attenuating them (a gradual reduction in the amplitude of the sound level), especially if you are making a ringtone from an original high quality music file. On opening Effect Equalization you'll notice a horizontal line at 0 dB, meaning that at that position, no changes are made to the volume of any frequencies. A curve can be created using the mouse, clicking at various points above or below the line. For ringtones, bring the line down to -24 dB on the vertical axis for the low frequencies from 30-300 Hz on the horizontal axis. You may want to increase the lower frequencies from 300 Hz to say 600 Hz by dragging them above 0 dB, then reduce the highest frequencies above say 10,000 Hz. This should make the sound somewhat richer and less "tinny" on a small cellphone speaker by emphasizing the frequency range it can reproduce best." In addition, this set of expert advice is not for ringtones specifically, but for improving all audio recordings (where you, Nil, can ignore this reference as I'm sure you know everything already). https://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-process-vocals-for-an-amazing-professional-sound--audio-463 Since I can only hope to impart the immense knowledge you have, folks may benefit from this Carla Schroder Audacity book https://isidore.co/calibre/get/PDF/Schroder%2C%20Carla-The%20Book%20of%20Audacity_4172.pdf where Chapter 10: Making Your Own Ringtones, p195, will be of specific interest to everyone other than Nil (who already knows everything there is to know). |
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On 12 Nov 2018, Arlen_Holder wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: Like many on Usenet who know all the answers, you keep them to yourself. We hoi polloi on Usenet are lucky to have someone like you around to tell us where we're wrong. I've been recording and processing audio for decades. I'm happy to talk about it with anybody... except you. I'm really not interested in helping you jerk off. |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 23:58:37 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
At no time have I seen you credit the authors from which you copied the material present, though. I guess you think because it's posted to usenet, it's automatically public domain material? Hi Diesel, Thanks for that critique of the information I collected & posted which answer the questions I had asked on how to properly create ringtones nowadays. I didn't see any suggestions from you that would add to the technical steps, so, at this point, you and Nil are the best there is at that. You did ask personal questions, like who provided that information. If you really need that author's name, it's "Hergen Lehmann", where his posts are part of the public record on ringtones that I had copied faithfully. Arlen, let me ask you something. Have you ever just copied a full length song that you've played and enjoyed on your PC over to your phone just to see how it sounds on the phone? Just for ****s and giggles.. ever done such a **** simple test? Hi Diesel, I'm not sure how your personal questions add to our tribal knowledge on how to properly create ringtones nowadays. But to answer your questions... I have many thousands of MP3 songs on both my PC and on my mobile devices. That means desktops, iPods, iPads, & Android devices have those MP3 songs. But how many songs I have doesn't change the technical question, which is how do properly make a ringtone from any one of those songs specifically for use on the tinny tiny ringtone speakers of a modern mobile device. Luckily, I Hergen Lehmann and I have answered that question, in detail, supplying the facts and documents we unearthed, such as this 2011 book which has an entire chapter (page 195, Chapter 10) on making ringtones: https://isidore.co/calibre/get/PDF/Schroder%2C%20Carla-The%20Book%20of%20Audacity_4172.pdf In addition, Diesel, you may benefit (on your sophomoric dc offset questions, for example), from reading the Audacity manual itself, paying special attention to the section on how to manage dc offset parameters: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/tutorial_making_ringtones_and_ivr_messages.html |
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:14:53 -0500, Nil wrote:
I've been recording and processing audio for decades. I'm happy to talk about it with anybody... except you. I'm really not interested in helping you jerk off. It's truly wonderful that you have so much imaginary knowledge, Nil. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 05:00:37 -0000 (UTC), Arlen_Holder wrote:
It's truly wonderful that you have so much imaginary knowledge, Nil. As an example of the wealth of imaginary knowledge Nil has, this is just the one section in the aforementioned book on how to properly use the Audacity TRIM command to cut out a 20-second ringtone from a much longer MP3 audio file. https://isidore.co/calibre/get/PDF/Schroder%2C%20Carla-The%20Book%20of%20Audacity_4172.pdf "If you need to create a ringtone of a specific length, such as 20 to 30 seconds, select a 20- or 30-second portion of the track to use. Here is a slick trick for precisely measuring your selection length: Position the Selection tool at the beginning of your clip. Go to the Selection toolbar, select the 'Length' radio button, make sure 'Snap To' is not checked, and enter how many seconds long you want your clip to be. If you're a bit shaky with the mouse, you can use the arrow keys on your keyboard to move the cursor. Figure 10-1 shows how to use this method to create an exactly 20-second clip. Leaving your clip selected, select Edit Trim (or press CTRL - T ) to cut away the excess." They don't talk about the need then to use the F5 (Time Shift) command to slide the beginning of the now-trimmed area to the zero starting point, but they do go on for an entire chapter of how to properly modify the MP3 so that it conforms to the specs of what a ringtone should technically be. |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
Nil
Tue, 13 Nov 2018 01:14:53 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote: On 12 Nov 2018, Arlen_Holder wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Like many on Usenet who know all the answers, you keep them to yourself. We hoi polloi on Usenet are lucky to have someone like you around to tell us where we're wrong. I've been recording and processing audio for decades. I'm happy to talk about it with anybody... except you. I'm really not interested in helping you jerk off. I have no doubt that you have a considerable amount more detailed knowledge concerning those subjects than I have enough time left to learn. I may, if alright with you ask a question about the subjects from time to time. Thanks for your consideration either way. For the purpose of clarification (actually, it's mainly for my own) when you wrote MID: "Unnecessary waste of time." in response to several of Arlens smartass replies to me.. was that in agreement with what I previously wrote on the subject based on your far longer experience, and, as I'd expect, superior knowledge on the subject, or, something else entirely? -- To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber stalking, it's highly recommended you visit he https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php ================================================== = There is no such thing as an ordinary cat. |
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How do you make ringtones for your phone using only freeware?
On 13 Nov 2018, Diesel wrote in alt.comp.freewa
I have no doubt that you have a considerable amount more detailed knowledge concerning those subjects than I have enough time left to learn. I may, if alright with you ask a question about the subjects from time to time. Thanks for your consideration either way. Sure, if you want. I don't have any special magical knowledge, I've just been doing it for a long time and learned by trial and error, and by knowing a few people who know a lot more than I do. It's all practical knowledge based on experience. I'm a musician with a small bedroom studio where I record my own stuff, mix other people's music, and transfer vinyl and tape to digital. For the purpose of clarification (actually, it's mainly for my own) when you wrote MID: "Unnecessary waste of time." in response to several of Arlens smartass replies to me.. was that in agreement with what I previously wrote on the subject based on your far longer experience, and, as I'd expect, superior knowledge on the subject, or, something else entirely? No, I hadn't read your post yet, but I just did. You're right on all counts. I usually ignore that dolt's threads, but this one was so extra-stupid I couldn't resist. I mean, really, what kind of idiot would over-complicate making a friggin' ringtone? And then write hundreds of lines of unnecessary, poorly understood, out-of-context, and just plain wrong "advice" about something that needs a fraction of that at most? Does he really think anybody will read that crap? It's all just desperate, self-aggrandizing busy work to keep his hands in motion and attract attention (not unlike public masturbation.) To make a ring tone: 1) pick an attention-getting bit of digital music. 2) use an audio editor like Audacity or any of the many tools specialized for this purpose. Trim out a 10 - 30 second excerpt. Fade the ends in and out if you want. Most clips need no processing of any kind unless they are very quiet, in which case you might want to normalize the clip. No other processing is needed. EQ is unnecessary. Folding down to mono is unnecessary. Removing DC offset is unnecessary. You cannot damage a phone with a music file. 3) Save as a medium-quality MP3 or OGG. It's a ringtone for a cell phone, for God's sake - high audio quality is not the goal or even desireable. 4) Transfer to your phone using your favorite method. The End. |
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 15:51:27 -0500, Nil wrote:
To make a ring tone: 1) pick an attention-getting bit of digital music. 2) use an audio editor like Audacity or any of the many tools specialized for this purpose. Trim out a 10 - 30 second excerpt. Fade the ends in and out if you want. Most clips need no processing of any kind unless they are very quiet, in which case you might want to normalize the clip. No other processing is needed. EQ is unnecessary. Folding down to mono is unnecessary. Removing DC offset is unnecessary. You cannot damage a phone with a music file. 3) Save as a medium-quality MP3 or OGG. It's a ringtone for a cell phone, for God's sake - high audio quality is not the goal or even desireable. 4) Transfer to your phone using your favorite method. Thanks for posting that humorous description, which is exactly what I would have expected from you, Nil. The great thing about people like you, Nil, (of which there are many on Usenet), is that your vast imaginary knowledge is overwhelmingly empty when it comes time to actually state anything of use to anyone else. What you wrote above, _everyone_ knew a decade ago. A child could easily have written what you wrote, Nil. Hint: There's actually more to flying an airplane than just wiggling the controls, where, for you, the instruction manual is (a) take off (b) fly around, and then (c) land, if the instructions are to be useful. |
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