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Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)



 
 
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Old November 16th 18, 08:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
arlen michael holder
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors?
(the question is only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

I'm a noob at Windows/Android where the IDE is so complex that one false
move causes tremendously different things to happen, so I added a second
monitor just so that I could start:stop:backup:repeat play video tutorials
in one monitor and then try to reproduce those actions in another monitor.
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/0dR8Lodl/report-my-first-hello-world-using-android-studio-freeware-on-windows-worked-just-fine-in-about-an#post18

That works fine, but now I use dual monitors for everything.
Hence the issue of windows popping up comes to the fore.

For example, sometimes I doubleclick on a taskbar icon and the result pops
up in monitorleft, while other times it pops up in monitorright.

Where it pops up seems to simply be the last place it was put, where it
seems that, for efficiency, a set of "guidelines" should be in place for
efficiency (i.e., one should never have to search is a maxim I employ).

Often, when there are a lot of windows, I find myself glancing left and
right to *find* where that window popped up.

If you have dual monitors, you'll know what I mean (if you don't have dual
monitors, you'll have lots of solutions because you won't understand the
problem - where those with the most solutions least understand the issues).

*What's a good philosophy for which windows go where?*

For example:
o My taskbar is only on the left monitor, so everything opens from left.
o I have browsers opening at left because you generally read left to right.
o I have file systems opening on the right because mice are to the right.

But what else do you do, philosophically, to streamline the use of dual
monitors?
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Old November 17th 18, 05:57 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

So because a person with only one monitor in your mind has no knowledge of
what two monitors look like?

You are not as bright as you say you are....

I have 3 monitors but I'll be damned if I'd take the time to tell you a
solution after the way you talk down to others.

You sir - a first class ass.

Bob S.

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Old November 17th 18, 10:32 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

In message , Bob_S
writes:
So because a person with only one monitor in your mind has no knowledge
of what two monitors look like?


I sincerely hope no-one has a monitor in my mind.

You are not as bright as you say you are....


Whatever I may think, I'm usually quite careful not to _say_ that I'm
bright.

I have 3 monitors but I'll be damned if I'd take the time to tell you a
solution after the way you talk down to others.


I haven't done that.

You sir - a first class ass.


By posting a post like this one (especially adding newsgroups as you
appear to have done, as this is the first I've seen of this thread in
the 'group _I_ am reading it in), without quoting anything or saying to
whom you are replying, I think readers can make their own minds as to
who is an ass, of whatever class.

Bob S.


John G.
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Old November 17th 18, 10:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

In message , arlen michael holder
writes:
Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors?
(the question is only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

I'm a noob at Windows/Android where the IDE is so complex that one false


(What's an IDE - is it another "word" for user interface?)
[]
That works fine, but now I use dual monitors for everything.
Hence the issue of windows popping up comes to the fore.

For example, sometimes I doubleclick on a taskbar icon and the result pops
up in monitorleft, while other times it pops up in monitorright.

Where it pops up seems to simply be the last place it was put, where it
seems that, for efficiency, a set of "guidelines" should be in place for
efficiency (i.e., one should never have to search is a maxim I employ).


Some people might consider a window popping up in _other_ than the last
place it was put is a _cause_ of searching; it depends on whether you
remember where it was when you minimised/closed it, or not. (Neither
viewpoint is _wrong_; they're just different.) I suspect this applies
whether you have one monitor or many.

Often, when there are a lot of windows, I find myself glancing left and
right to *find* where that window popped up.

If you have dual monitors, you'll know what I mean (if you don't have dual
monitors, you'll have lots of solutions because you won't understand the
problem - where those with the most solutions least understand the issues).

*What's a good philosophy for which windows go where?*

For example:
o My taskbar is only on the left monitor, so everything opens from left.
o I have browsers opening at left because you generally read left to right.
o I have file systems opening on the right because mice are to the right.


Those "so/because/because" may seem logical ("a good philosophy") for
you, but won't for many (on the third one, for example, not everyone's
pointing device is on the right - and even if it is, the attachment of
[only?] "file systems" to the pointing device isn't obvious, to me
anyway).

But what else do you do, philosophically, to streamline the use of dual
monitors?


A good question, though I suspect answers will be so personal - or
usage-specific - that we won't come up with anything of wide usefulness.
But I might be wrong there. I suspect we might get _some_ people who
think their way/answer is the best one, though.
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rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. - Ayn Rand, quoted by Deb
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Old November 17th 18, 11:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicableto those of you with dual monitors)

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:


By posting a post like this one (especially adding newsgroups as you
appear to have done


He didn't add newsgroups. All three messages are to:

alt.windows7.general
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

You could easily have found the original post.
By using the MIDs in the References on the header
of the Bob_S message.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi....mixmin.net%3E

Paul
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Old November 17th 18, 01:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

Paul,

That url you posted to find newsgroup messages back using the reference,

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...sgid&A=0&MSGI= ....

is that available to any random dude (myself included :-) ) ? (asking
because of a persons name in the domain name).

Sometimes I've got the need to do such a search, but throwing it into Google
mostly hasn't given me what I was after ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old November 17th 18, 01:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

By posting a post like this one (especially adding newsgroups as you
appear to have done


He didn't add newsgroups. All three messages are to:

alt.windows7.general
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

You could easily have found the original post.
By using the MIDs in the References on the header
of the Bob_S message.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...%3Cpsn5sc%242h
3%241%40news.mixmin.net%3E

Paul

You are correct. I know why I didn't see the original. My fault.

The rest of my comments stand though (-:
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Old November 17th 18, 02:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

John,

So because a person with only one monitor in your mind has no knowledge
of what two monitors look like?

....
I sincerely hope no-one has a monitor in my mind.

....
The rest of my comments stand though (-:


I think you read that one the wrong way around :

Its about persons who have only a single monitor (implanted) in(to) Arlens
mind. Which I do not quite understand, because why would anyone want or
need to put more than one into such a brain ? :-)

Also, while I suspect there shrinks would actually benefit from being able
to do so, I'm quite certain that most of us here would not enjoy it in the
least. :-p

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old November 17th 18, 02:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I'm a noob at Windows/Android where the IDE is so complex that one false
|
| (What's an IDE - is it another "word" for user interface?)

Integrated development environment. Like Visual
Studio. Generally used to refer to programming tools
where you can get at anything you need through a
single UI.

A code editor will usually have things like debugging,
but an IDE will provide access to work as a "project",
allowing you to deal with all files, resources, compiler,
docs, etc through the single program window. IDE is a
somewhat stuffy term, but we can be thankful that
Microsoft don't call it a Next Gen Solutionizing Modern
Software Solution for Enterprise Services. Then we'd
have to say NGSMSSES and people would probably
fight over how to pronounce it. Is it "nagsmisses"
or "nig some esses"? [Hint: Losers say nig some esses.]

If I understand correctly, Arlen is talking about
making Android phone apps with a tool that Microsoft
provides, and despite trying to exert military
discipline over the IDE, it isn't listening to him.
Which of course has nothing whatever to do with
Win7 or XP. I doubt the MS code editor will run on
the latter.



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Old November 17th 18, 03:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default [OT] How (not) to show parent of current article. (was: Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors))

Paul wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

By posting a post like this one (especially adding newsgroups as you
appear to have done


He didn't add newsgroups. All three messages are to:

alt.windows7.general
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

You could easily have found the original post.
By using the MIDs in the References on the header
of the Bob_S message.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi....mixmin.net%3E


Why go to all that trouble? I've yet to encounter a newsreader (the
software) which does not have the capability to show the 'parent' of the
article you're currently looking at.

'Even' simple GUI newsreaders like OE/WM/WLM/TB, etc. can do that by
just 'opening' the thread in the threads pane and see in which
branch/subthread the current post is and look 'up' the thread to see the
parent.

In my CUI newsreader (tin) it's even simpler. I just press 'u' - for
up the thread - to see the parent, 'u' again to see the grandparent,
etc..

So John may want to have a look if Turnpike does (not) have this
essential functionality.
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Old November 17th 18, 03:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Char Jackson
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 12:35:27 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

By posting a post like this one (especially adding newsgroups as you
appear to have done


He didn't add newsgroups. All three messages are to:

alt.windows7.general
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

You could easily have found the original post.
By using the MIDs in the References on the header
of the Bob_S message.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...%3Cpsn5sc%242h
3%241%40news.mixmin.net%3E

Paul

You are correct. I know why I didn't see the original. My fault.

The rest of my comments stand though (-:


With all due respect, I thought your entire post completely missed the
mark, which is extremely unusual for you. Bob_S was right on, IMHO,
although he might have quoted something to help folks understand to whom
he was responding. (the troll, arlen, obviously)

--

Char Jackson
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Old November 17th 18, 04:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Default [OT] How (not) to show parent of current article. (was: Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicable to those of you with dual monitors))

Frank,

'Even' simple GUI newsreaders like OE


Yes, even back in OE5 you could switch between a sorted on
date/name/subject/etc list and a thread tree.

But that always needs to be done by toolbar - "view" - "currrent view" -
"group messages by conversation" (I've never seen (an addition for) a simple
(switch between list and tree) button for it). It also drops any message
focus it might have had, leaving it upto the user to find it back again.
Which is no fun in a long thread that has several/many subthreads.

.... Which is also the reason why I seldom switch from one to the other.

Its often easier to switch to "sort by subject" (from the defailt "sort by
date") and than looking up a bit.

Also, your "go to parent" probably breaks when you have certain posters
blocked - and which probably is why John didn't see the parent message in
the first place.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old November 17th 18, 04:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicableto those of you with dual monitors)

R.Wieser wrote:
Paul,

That url you posted to find newsgroup messages back using the reference,

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...sgid&A=0&MSGI= ....

is that available to any random dude (myself included :-) ) ? (asking
because of a persons name in the domain name).

Sometimes I've got the need to do such a search, but throwing it into Google
mostly hasn't given me what I was after ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


It doesn't "give threading for free", that site.

But it is useful, in cases where you want to generate
a web page for someone, so they can see source material
without having to fumble around with other stuff.

http://al.howardknight.net/

It's better than Google, because it includes alt.windows7.general.
It's worse than Google, because long messages get truncated.
Howard had to add the truncation feature, after movie
pirates decided to try to fill it with movie uploads
and then use it as their bitch. So Howard retaliated
by ruining the archive, and truncating *any* long
message, not just ones with obvious movie payloads.
Which is a smart move on Howards part, as the movie
pirates can't game the system if all long posts are
ruined. So if a post is really long, you can't
read all of it on the resulting web page.

Paul

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Old November 17th 18, 04:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default [OT] How (not) to show parent of current article.

Frank Slootweg wrote:
Paul wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

By posting a post like this one (especially adding newsgroups as you
appear to have done

He didn't add newsgroups. All three messages are to:

alt.windows7.general
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

You could easily have found the original post.
By using the MIDs in the References on the header
of the Bob_S message.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi....mixmin.net%3E


Why go to all that trouble?


When a message hasn't yet shown up on a server
for some reason, Howard is my backup system. If
I need someone to see a message *right now*,
I generate a reference using Howard.

That's why I used it. In case John couldn't
see the message where he is sitting.

Right now, some messages are coming into E-S
about 12 hours late. And it almost looks like
the spool is corrupted right now. That's why
I'm reading and posting via AIOE for the time
being.

Paul


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Old November 17th 18, 04:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors (only applicableto those of you with dual monitors)

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , arlen michael holder
writes:
Philosophically, how do you "organize" two monitors?
(the question is only applicable to those of you with dual monitors)

I'm a noob at Windows/Android where the IDE is so complex that one false


(What's an IDE - is it another "word" for user interface?)


A neat thing about an IDE, is you can run a program you just
wrote, attach a debugger, and when you hit a breakpoint, the
text editor in the IDE "jumps" to the line of code where the
program is currently stopped.

This is an aid to debugging, saving developer time opening
files manually.

A number of features are "Integrated" together, to improve
workflow efficiency.

Doing things like Syntax Coloring in the text editor,
makes your glaring errors stand out better :-) Compared
to writing C in Notepad (which is what I use when
making 60 line programs for MinGW).

Paul
 




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