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  #16  
Old February 27th 12, 04:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Wolf K
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On 27/02/2012 4:44 AM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
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All of you thanks for your replies.
In the near future I will switch to W7-64. I only hope that W7 will be as
configurable as XP.

Best regards,
Fokke


W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.

OTOH, if you want to play with pretty desktops, W7 is superior. (I'm not
sure whether that's a compliment. ;-) )

HTH,
Wolf K.
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  #17  
Old February 27th 12, 06:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 27/02/2012 15:47, Wolf K wrote:


W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.


Why bother? Just display the control panel in Icon mode and get the
"old" control panel back. No need for any third-party app....


  #18  
Old February 27th 12, 06:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 27/02/2012 12:00 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 27/02/2012 15:47, Wolf K wrote:


W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.


Why bother? Just display the control panel in Icon mode and get the
"old" control panel back. No need for any third-party app....


???? That wasn't the case when I first installed W7. I tried to find all
the "old" applets, and I couldn't find a way to do it. So I infer that
either your trick was too well hidden, or that it's been added recently.
Either way, too late. Not that I regret taking the time to find Classic
Shell, it also give you the XP style start menu, etc. FWIW, I don't like
Aero either, and would like to remove the Aero themes, I dislike wasting
space even in this age of 500GB drives. Just a quirk of mine. ;-)

The default W7 Control panel is just another example of a default change
that makes things worse. It's fine to add new tweaks to the UI, but
never make them defaults.

People get used to doing things a certain way, and most can't be
bothered to try to figure out how to get the old view (etc) back. Keep
in mind that UIs for technical devices are always more or less
arbitrary. A particular design becomes a convention. Conventions are
very useful: without them, you'd have to waste time learning more than
you need in order to make things happen the way you want. I've seen far
too many updates that made my wife (for example) wail "I can't find what
I want any more!" I got into a real slanging match with mozilla devs
about this: you can argue about how cool their improvements were, but
making them the defaults was not nice, to vastly understate the case.
They have since changed d the update process so that you keep your
current UI look.

HTH
Wolf K.
  #19  
Old February 27th 12, 07:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:00:48 +0000, Gordon
wrote:

On 27/02/2012 15:47, Wolf K wrote:


W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.


Why bother? Just display the control panel in Icon mode and get the
"old" control panel back. No need for any third-party app....



Right. I agree completely, and I always display it as "small icons."


  #20  
Old February 27th 12, 08:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_4_]
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:38:13 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:

On 27/02/2012 12:00 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 27/02/2012 15:47, Wolf K wrote:


W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.


Why bother? Just display the control panel in Icon mode and get the
"old" control panel back. No need for any third-party app....


???? That wasn't the case when I first installed W7. I tried to find all
the "old" applets, and I couldn't find a way to do it. So I infer that
either your trick was too well hidden, or that it's been added recently.



It's not hidden at all, and it hasn't been changed. Just click View,
and choose either Small Icons (my personal preference) or Large Icons.
  #21  
Old February 27th 12, 09:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 27/02/2012 2:01 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:38:13 -0500, Wolf
wrote:

On 27/02/2012 12:00 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 27/02/2012 15:47, Wolf K wrote:


W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.

Why bother? Just display the control panel in Icon mode and get the
"old" control panel back. No need for any third-party app....


???? That wasn't the case when I first installed W7. I tried to find all
the "old" applets, and I couldn't find a way to do it. So I infer that
either your trick was too well hidden, or that it's been added recently.



It's not hidden at all, and it hasn't been changed. Just click View,
and choose either Small Icons (my personal preference) or Large Icons.


OK, confusion removed. I checked my wife's laptop, which doesn't have
Classic Shell. On it, you can "View By", and the default is "Category",
a wizardy thingy that's not especially intuitive. I must have set it to
Large Icons in the past, because that's what it now shows. The Large
Icons/Small Icons/Details/etc selections on the View menu are greyed
out. Classic Shell restores these.

Whew!

So that's all right, then.

But my first install of W7 on this box was pre-SP1, so my impression
that "Category" was the only view offered may be a correct memory. Not
that it matters now.

Wolf K.
  #22  
Old February 28th 12, 03:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Wolf K" wrote in message
om...
On 27/02/2012 4:44 AM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
[...]
All of you thanks for your replies.
In the near future I will switch to W7-64. I only hope that W7 will be as
configurable as XP.

Best regards,
Fokke


W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.


TMHO the W7 control panel is really ****.
Thanks for the Classic shell hint. Sounds pretty useful.

OTOH, if you want to play with pretty desktops, W7 is superior. (I'm not
sure whether that's a compliment. ;-) )

HTH,
Wolf K.


Fokke


  #23  
Old February 28th 12, 03:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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On 27/02/2012 15:47, Wolf K wrote:


W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.


Why bother? Just display the control panel in Icon mode and get the "old"
control panel back. No need for any third-party app....


Well, it looks a bit like the good old control panel but isn't. However, I
can work with it.

Fokke


  #24  
Old February 28th 12, 04:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 2/28/2012 6:52 AM PT, Fokke Nauta typed:

W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.


TMHO the W7 control panel is really ****.
Thanks for the Classic shell hint. Sounds pretty useful.


Also, I hate it when some control panel program's settings don't
change/save because it requires administrator access with its UAC.
Example: Java's control panel.
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Old February 28th 12, 04:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Ant" wrote in message
m...
On 2/28/2012 6:52 AM PT, Fokke Nauta typed:

W7's Control Panel is pathetic. It's someone's notion of how to make
settings easier for the "average user". Install Classic Shell (free) to
get the real Control Panel back.


TMHO the W7 control panel is really ****.
Thanks for the Classic shell hint. Sounds pretty useful.


Also, I hate it when some control panel program's settings don't
change/save because it requires administrator access with its UAC.
Example: Java's control panel.


That's why I'm always logged in with admin rights.
Next thing I'll have to do is googling for how to get rid of the UAC.

Fokke


  #26  
Old February 28th 12, 05:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 28/02/2012 15:28, Fokke Nauta wrote:

That's why I'm always logged in with admin rights.
Next thing I'll have to do is googling for how to get rid of the UAC.


Which is why UAC was designed so you DON'T have to run on a daily basis
as an admin and why Windows will ALWAYS be less secure than other OS's
until Users get out of this "Must Run as Admin" mindset.
It's perfectly EASY to run a well-configured Windows machine as a
Standard User....I do all the time.



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Old February 28th 12, 06:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 28 Feb 2012, Ant wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Also, I hate it when some control panel program's settings don't
change/save because it requires administrator access with its UAC.
Example: Java's control panel.


That's Oracle's fault, not Microsoft's. To get around that, you need to
navigate to the executable JAVACPL.EXE, right-click on it, and enable
the Compatibility option, "Run this program as Administrator". From
then on UAC will prompt you to continue, and all changes you make will
stick.
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Old February 29th 12, 08:20 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 2/28/2012 9:21 AM PT, Nil typed:

On 28 Feb 2012, wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Also, I hate it when some control panel program's settings don't
change/save because it requires administrator access with its UAC.
Example: Java's control panel.


That's Oracle's fault, not Microsoft's. To get around that, you need to
navigate to the executable JAVACPL.EXE, right-click on it, and enable
the Compatibility option, "Run this program as Administrator". From
then on UAC will prompt you to continue, and all changes you make will
stick.


It's not just Java! Yeah, I have to do that trick.
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Old February 29th 12, 08:58 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 29/02/2012 07:20, Ant wrote:
On 2/28/2012 9:21 AM PT, Nil typed:

On 28 Feb 2012, wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Also, I hate it when some control panel program's settings don't
change/save because it requires administrator access with its UAC.
Example: Java's control panel.


That's Oracle's fault, not Microsoft's. To get around that, you need to
navigate to the executable JAVACPL.EXE, right-click on it, and enable
the Compatibility option, "Run this program as Administrator". From
then on UAC will prompt you to continue, and all changes you make will
stick.


It's not just Java! Yeah, I have to do that trick.


So what's happened is, that although Windows 7 has been out for
third-party vendors to test their products on it for over FOUR years,
many have failed to do so.



  #30  
Old February 29th 12, 09:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Gordon
writes:
On 28/02/2012 15:28, Fokke Nauta wrote:

That's why I'm always logged in with admin rights.
Next thing I'll have to do is googling for how to get rid of the UAC.


Which is why UAC was designed so you DON'T have to run on a daily basis
as an admin and why Windows will ALWAYS be less secure than other OS's
until Users get out of this "Must Run as Admin" mindset.
It's perfectly EASY to run a well-configured Windows machine as a
Standard User....I do all the time.



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