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Email Info BackUp ?!
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:22:03 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote: On 11/6/18 10:37 AM, Zaidy036 wrote: [snip] Primary: There is NO BACKUP unless there are at lest TWO independent copies of the info. True. Better with at least one offline at all times (can be accomplished with two sets of media, used alternately). *Not* true, as far as I'm concerned. Certainly, TWO independent copies are better than one, and certainly having at least one offline at all times, is better than not doing that. But saying that without having two copies it's not backup is nonsense. |
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Email Info BackUp ?!
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:03:45 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 11/5/18 11:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote: [snip] Webmail can be convenient when you have to use a different computer (or let someone else use yours to check mail), although IMAP with a mail program is better (including getting to make your own backups). Back in the days before wi-fi access in hotels was common, when I traveled I used to use public computers for e-mail. So I would use webmail then. But those days are long gone: it's been years since I needed to do that. You would if you didn't have your own device with you, and that CAN happen. Can? Yes. Likely? No, not all? A double typo. Change that "No, not all? " to "No, not at all!" The device I use for e-mail when I travel is my smart phone, and I always have it with me. |
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In message , Mark Lloyd
writes: On 11/5/18 2:10 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [snip] I'd agree with the others who say do try a real email client. (And for long enough to see the difference - two or three weeks at least, I'd say.) Thunderbird is IMO a good compromise between best and well-supported - a lot of ISPs, for example, have instructions specific to setting it up with them, probably including yours. I wish they'd include a simple listing of the relevant settings, as well as the overcomplicated program-specific ones. Some ISPs do - though, admittedly, usually below all the program-specific ones, under a heading such as "other". -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Everybody's throwing dinner parties, cooking this, baking that... Food has eaten television here. - Sam Neill (RT 2014/10/11-17) |
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In message , Ken Blake
writes: On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:03:45 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 11/5/18 11:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote: [snip] Webmail can be convenient when you have to use a different computer (or let someone else use yours to check mail), although IMAP with a mail program is better (including getting to make your own backups). Back in the days before wi-fi access in hotels was common, when I traveled I used to use public computers for e-mail. So I would use webmail then. But those days are long gone: it's been years since I needed to do that. You would if you didn't have your own device with you, and that CAN happen. Can? Yes. Likely? No, not all? A double typo. Change that "No, not all? " to "No, not at all!" The device I use for e-mail when I travel is my smart phone, and I always have it with me. Bat flattery? Fault, or no coverage? If you have to use a cybercafe (do they still exist?), they're probably not going to be too keen on you installing anything, or changing the settings on installed software (if there even is a mail client), on their computer. So there are circumstances where you _have_ to use webmail. (If you want to view your email at all, that is.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Everybody's throwing dinner parties, cooking this, baking that... Food has eaten television here. - Sam Neill (RT 2014/10/11-17) |
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:14:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes: On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:03:45 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 11/5/18 11:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote: [snip] Webmail can be convenient when you have to use a different computer (or let someone else use yours to check mail), although IMAP with a mail program is better (including getting to make your own backups). Back in the days before wi-fi access in hotels was common, when I traveled I used to use public computers for e-mail. So I would use webmail then. But those days are long gone: it's been years since I needed to do that. You would if you didn't have your own device with you, and that CAN happen. Can? Yes. Likely? No, not all? A double typo. Change that "No, not all? " to "No, not at all!" The device I use for e-mail when I travel is my smart phone, and I always have it with me. Bat flattery? I always have a charger with me. Or should I say marger with chee? Fault, or no coverage? One of the criteria I use for picking hotels is that they have free WI-Fri. I've never had a problem. Yes, things *can* happen. But they are very unlikely. Things can happen on my desktop at home too. If you have to use a cybercafe (do they still exist?), It's been years since I've used one. I don't know whether they still exist. But even worst case, If I lost my phone or it was stolen, I could survive for a week or two without e-mail. they're probably not going to be too keen on you installing anything, or changing the settings on installed software (if there even is a mail client), on their computer. If there was an e-mail client, I wouldn't want to use it, for security reasons. And they'd never let me install anything. So there are circumstances where you _have_ to use webmail. (If you want to view your email at all, that is.) Yes, but two points: 1. The chances of such circumstances occurring are very slight. 2. If they did occur, almost certainly I would just forego e-mail until I got home. The only possible reason for not foregoing it would be if I was expecting a very important e-mail (as was the case once in cybercafe days when I had a house for sale). So worst case, yes it's possible that I would have to, or want to, use webmail, rather than have no e-mail. It hasn't happened for years, and I have no expectations of its ever happening again. |
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 13:41:56 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:14:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes: On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:03:45 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 11/5/18 11:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote: [snip] Webmail can be convenient when you have to use a different computer (or let someone else use yours to check mail), although IMAP with a mail program is better (including getting to make your own backups). Back in the days before wi-fi access in hotels was common, when I traveled I used to use public computers for e-mail. So I would use webmail then. But those days are long gone: it's been years since I needed to do that. You would if you didn't have your own device with you, and that CAN happen. Can? Yes. Likely? No, not all? A double typo. Change that "No, not all? " to "No, not at all!" The device I use for e-mail when I travel is my smart phone, and I always have it with me. Bat flattery? I always have a charger with me. Or should I say marger with chee? Fault, or no coverage? One of the criteria I use for picking hotels is that they have free WI-Fri. I've never had a problem. Fri? What a strange typo. But you know what I meant. |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | (In reply to Mayayana's followup that "Your choice is $30" - I don't see | in Ken's post what his choice is; but you may have seen his choice | expressed in other posts. I looked at the header and assumed he was using Forte Agent. It appears that Ken is a big spender. He seems to use forte only for usenet. And Outlook for email. I can't imagine why someone would spend so much. $100? $150? I've never used Outlook. I don't know what it costs alone. I guess if I'd spent $150 for email and newsgroups then I wouldn't want to like TB either. |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote
| Once when I helped someone set up an internet connection, the ISP | insisted she use webmail (likely because of the ads, and they inserted | spam into every outgoing message). I figured out how to use POP (IIRC, | prepend 'mail.' to the domain name, and use the normal ports). | That's sleazy. I've never seen anything like that. And the only spam I usually get is the obnoxious Apple stuff. "Sent from my iPhone." Though I may have seen some Android spam, too. But I don't recall ever seeing ISP spam. |
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mayayana writes: It's quickly getting to a place where privacy will be cause for suspicion. That's another one for my quotes file. (Except I think you're a bit late - it already is in many people's mind. [I was going to say minds, but they all share the one.]) It's already past that point. When seeking employment, some employers want to see your social media accounts, so they can judge you. If you tell them you have no social media accounts, well... it's like showing up for the interview without shoes or a shirt :-) Paul |
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In message , Mayayana
writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | (In reply to Mayayana's followup that "Your choice is $30" - I don't see | in Ken's post what his choice is; but you may have seen his choice | expressed in other posts. I looked at the header and assumed he was using Forte Agent. It appears that Ken is a big spender. He seems to use forte only for usenet. And Outlook for email. I can't imagine why someone would spend so much. $100? $150? I've never used Outlook. I don't know what it costs alone. I guess if I'd spent $150 for email and newsgroups then I wouldn't want to like TB either. I think Outlook comes/came as part of Office, some editions; I don't even know if you _can_ get it separately, unless you're a big corporate and buying into an Outlook server too (where it works reasonably well). Some companies have in the past - I don't know if they still can do this - arranged to have their employees get Office for home use, either free or for $5 or something like that, on the (theoretical I'm sure!) understanding that they'll remove it if they cease to be employees. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Anything you add for security will slow the computer but it shouldn't be significant or prolonged. Security software is to protect the computer, not the primary use of the computer. - VanguardLH in alt.windows7.general, 2018-1-28 |
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In message , Mayayana
writes: "Mark Lloyd" wrote | Once when I helped someone set up an internet connection, the ISP | insisted she use webmail (likely because of the ads, and they inserted | spam into every outgoing message). I figured out how to use POP (IIRC, | prepend 'mail.' to the domain name, and use the normal ports). | That's sleazy. I've never seen anything like that. And the only spam I usually get is the obnoxious Apple stuff. "Sent from my iPhone." Though I may Yes, I've seen that too often )-:. [I think it _can_ be turned off, but I don't know how, and I'd be surprised if most Idevice owners do either. (Mind you, I know at least one Android-based device that does it too - "sent from Frank's BrailleSense".)] But I think we both know that's not the sort of spam he was talking about (-:. have seen some Android spam, too. But I don't recall ever seeing ISP spam. Well, my ISP - PlusNet - does advertise - I've seen their ad.s in places - though IMO not excessively. But I don't think he meant ISPs advertising themselves: I suspect he means they sell advertising space on their webmail UI, to third parties. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Anything you add for security will slow the computer but it shouldn't be significant or prolonged. Security software is to protect the computer, not the primary use of the computer. - VanguardLH in alt.windows7.general, 2018-1-28 |
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In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Mayayana writes: It's quickly getting to a place where privacy will be cause for suspicion. That's another one for my quotes file. (Except I think you're a bit late [] It's already past that point. When seeking employment, some employers want to see your social media accounts, so they can judge you. If you tell them you have no social media accounts, well... it's like showing up for the interview without shoes or a shirt :-) Paul No hope for me then! Well, "social media" as they think of it. They could find out more about me than I'd want them to if they considered usenet - there's decades of me there; however, most people have a very narrow interpretation of what "social media" means. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Anything you add for security will slow the computer but it shouldn't be significant or prolonged. Security software is to protect the computer, not the primary use of the computer. - VanguardLH in alt.windows7.general, 2018-1-28 |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 00:52:09 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: I think Outlook comes/came as part of Office, some editions; Funny. I don't even know if you _can_ get it separately, unless you're a big corporate and buying into an Outlook server too (where it works reasonably well). Exchange server, not Outlook server, and it works very well. Actually, Outlook is an excellent email client even if it's not being used with an Exchange server. I've been using it (all of the versions except 2007) since OfficeXP was current. I looked at Pegasus, OE, TB, and a few others, but nothing comes close to Outlook. OE is awful, which is always worth pointing out. Some companies have in the past - I don't know if they still can do this - arranged to have their employees get Office for home use, either free or for $5 or something like that, on the (theoretical I'm sure!) understanding that they'll remove it if they cease to be employees. These days, it's probably either Click-to-run or O365, both of which require the individual to log in to their employee account periodically, so if they cease to be an employee Office will eventually stop working because the person has lost their employee login. In my case, my organization provides Office 2016 and permission to install it on 5 personal devices/PCs at no cost, but if you become a non-employee the various Office applications start complaining that you haven't logged in to your employee account recently, and eventually they stop working. I think that timeout period is 90 days, but I'm not sure. -- Char Jackson |
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:41:05 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Yes, and I'll add to that that as far as I'm concerned, webmail is by far the worst way to do e-mail, for a variety of reasons. Almost any e-mail program is far better than the worst webmail site. I agree, but I'm not sure you said what you meant. And if you meant "Almost any e-mail program is far better than the BEST webmail site" then I must respectfully disagree. Some are better, certainly; but some are less good. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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