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  #46  
Old November 6th 18, 07:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:22:03 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 11/6/18 10:37 AM, Zaidy036 wrote:

[snip]

Primary:
There is NO BACKUP unless there are at lest TWO independent copies of
the info.


True. Better with at least one offline at all times (can be accomplished
with two sets of media, used alternately).



*Not* true, as far as I'm concerned. Certainly, TWO independent copies
are better than one, and certainly having at least one offline at all
times, is better than not doing that. But saying that without having
two copies it's not backup is nonsense.
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  #47  
Old November 6th 18, 07:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:03:45 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 11/5/18 11:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Webmail can be convenient when you have to use a different computer (or
let someone else use yours to check mail), although IMAP with a mail
program is better (including getting to make your own backups).


Back in the days before wi-fi access in hotels was common, when I
traveled I used to use public computers for e-mail. So I would use
webmail then. But those days are long gone: it's been years since I
needed to do that.


You would if you didn't have your own device with you, and that CAN happen.



Can? Yes. Likely? No, not all?



A double typo. Change that "No, not all? " to "No, not at all!"


The device I use for e-mail when I
travel is my smart phone, and I always have it with me.

  #48  
Old November 6th 18, 09:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Mark Lloyd
writes:
On 11/5/18 2:10 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

I'd agree with the others who say do try a real email client. (And
for long enough to see the difference - two or three weeks at least,
I'd say.) Thunderbird is IMO a good compromise between best and
well-supported - a lot of ISPs, for example, have instructions
specific to setting it up with them, probably including yours.


I wish they'd include a simple listing of the relevant settings, as
well as the overcomplicated program-specific ones.

Some ISPs do - though, admittedly, usually below all the
program-specific ones, under a heading such as "other".
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Everybody's throwing dinner parties, cooking this, baking that... Food has
eaten television here. - Sam Neill (RT 2014/10/11-17)
  #49  
Old November 6th 18, 09:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:03:45 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 11/5/18 11:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Webmail can be convenient when you have to use a different computer (or
let someone else use yours to check mail), although IMAP with a mail
program is better (including getting to make your own backups).


Back in the days before wi-fi access in hotels was common, when I
traveled I used to use public computers for e-mail. So I would use
webmail then. But those days are long gone: it's been years since I
needed to do that.

You would if you didn't have your own device with you, and that CAN happen.



Can? Yes. Likely? No, not all?



A double typo. Change that "No, not all? " to "No, not at all!"


The device I use for e-mail when I
travel is my smart phone, and I always have it with me.


Bat flattery? Fault, or no coverage?

If you have to use a cybercafe (do they still exist?), they're probably
not going to be too keen on you installing anything, or changing the
settings on installed software (if there even is a mail client), on
their computer. So there are circumstances where you _have_ to use
webmail. (If you want to view your email at all, that is.)
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Everybody's throwing dinner parties, cooking this, baking that... Food has
eaten television here. - Sam Neill (RT 2014/10/11-17)
  #50  
Old November 6th 18, 09:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:14:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:03:45 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 11/5/18 11:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Webmail can be convenient when you have to use a different computer (or
let someone else use yours to check mail), although IMAP with a mail
program is better (including getting to make your own backups).


Back in the days before wi-fi access in hotels was common, when I
traveled I used to use public computers for e-mail. So I would use
webmail then. But those days are long gone: it's been years since I
needed to do that.

You would if you didn't have your own device with you, and that CAN happen.


Can? Yes. Likely? No, not all?



A double typo. Change that "No, not all? " to "No, not at all!"


The device I use for e-mail when I
travel is my smart phone, and I always have it with me.


Bat flattery?



I always have a charger with me. Or should I say marger with chee?


Fault, or no coverage?



One of the criteria I use for picking hotels is that they have free
WI-Fri. I've never had a problem.

Yes, things *can* happen. But they are very unlikely. Things can
happen on my desktop at home too.


If you have to use a cybercafe (do they still exist?),



It's been years since I've used one. I don't know whether they still
exist. But even worst case, If I lost my phone or it was stolen, I
could survive for a week or two without e-mail.



they're probably
not going to be too keen on you installing anything, or changing the
settings on installed software (if there even is a mail client), on
their computer.



If there was an e-mail client, I wouldn't want to use it, for security
reasons. And they'd never let me install anything.


So there are circumstances where you _have_ to use
webmail. (If you want to view your email at all, that is.)





Yes, but two points:

1. The chances of such circumstances occurring are very slight.

2. If they did occur, almost certainly I would just forego e-mail
until I got home. The only possible reason for not foregoing it would
be if I was expecting a very important e-mail (as was the case once in
cybercafe days when I had a house for sale).

So worst case, yes it's possible that I would have to, or want to, use
webmail, rather than have no e-mail. It hasn't happened for years, and
I have no expectations of its ever happening again.
  #51  
Old November 6th 18, 10:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 13:41:56 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:14:52 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:19:21 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 11:03:45 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 11/5/18 11:05 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Webmail can be convenient when you have to use a different computer (or
let someone else use yours to check mail), although IMAP with a mail
program is better (including getting to make your own backups).


Back in the days before wi-fi access in hotels was common, when I
traveled I used to use public computers for e-mail. So I would use
webmail then. But those days are long gone: it's been years since I
needed to do that.

You would if you didn't have your own device with you, and that CAN happen.


Can? Yes. Likely? No, not all?


A double typo. Change that "No, not all? " to "No, not at all!"


The device I use for e-mail when I
travel is my smart phone, and I always have it with me.


Bat flattery?



I always have a charger with me. Or should I say marger with chee?


Fault, or no coverage?



One of the criteria I use for picking hotels is that they have free
WI-Fri. I've never had a problem.



Fri? What a strange typo. But you know what I meant.
  #52  
Old November 6th 18, 10:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| (In reply to Mayayana's followup that "Your choice is $30" - I don't see
| in Ken's post what his choice is; but you may have seen his choice
| expressed in other posts.

I looked at the header and assumed he was
using Forte Agent. It appears that Ken is a big
spender. He seems to use forte only for usenet.
And Outlook for email. I can't imagine why
someone would spend so much. $100? $150?
I've never used Outlook. I don't know what it
costs alone. I guess if I'd spent $150 for
email and newsgroups then I wouldn't
want to like TB either.


  #53  
Old November 6th 18, 10:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote

| Once when I helped someone set up an internet connection, the ISP
| insisted she use webmail (likely because of the ads, and they inserted
| spam into every outgoing message). I figured out how to use POP (IIRC,
| prepend 'mail.' to the domain name, and use the normal ports).
|

That's sleazy. I've never seen anything like that.
And the only spam I usually get is the obnoxious
Apple stuff. "Sent from my iPhone." Though I may
have seen some Android spam, too. But I don't
recall ever seeing ISP spam.



  #54  
Old November 6th 18, 11:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mayayana
writes:



It's quickly getting to a
place where privacy will be cause for suspicion.


That's another one for my quotes file. (Except I think you're a bit late
- it already is in many people's mind. [I was going to say minds, but
they all share the one.])


It's already past that point.

When seeking employment, some employers want to
see your social media accounts, so they can judge you.
If you tell them you have no social media accounts,
well... it's like showing up for the interview
without shoes or a shirt :-)

Paul
  #55  
Old November 7th 18, 01:52 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Mayayana
writes:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| (In reply to Mayayana's followup that "Your choice is $30" - I don't see
| in Ken's post what his choice is; but you may have seen his choice
| expressed in other posts.

I looked at the header and assumed he was
using Forte Agent. It appears that Ken is a big
spender. He seems to use forte only for usenet.
And Outlook for email. I can't imagine why
someone would spend so much. $100? $150?
I've never used Outlook. I don't know what it
costs alone. I guess if I'd spent $150 for
email and newsgroups then I wouldn't
want to like TB either.


I think Outlook comes/came as part of Office, some editions; I don't
even know if you _can_ get it separately, unless you're a big corporate
and buying into an Outlook server too (where it works reasonably well).
Some companies have in the past - I don't know if they still can do this
- arranged to have their employees get Office for home use, either free
or for $5 or something like that, on the (theoretical I'm sure!)
understanding that they'll remove it if they cease to be employees.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Anything you add for security will slow the computer but it shouldn't be
significant or prolonged. Security software is to protect the computer, not
the primary use of the computer.
- VanguardLH in alt.windows7.general, 2018-1-28
  #56  
Old November 7th 18, 01:57 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote

| Once when I helped someone set up an internet connection, the ISP
| insisted she use webmail (likely because of the ads, and they inserted
| spam into every outgoing message). I figured out how to use POP (IIRC,
| prepend 'mail.' to the domain name, and use the normal ports).
|

That's sleazy. I've never seen anything like that.
And the only spam I usually get is the obnoxious
Apple stuff. "Sent from my iPhone." Though I may


Yes, I've seen that too often )-:. [I think it _can_ be turned off, but
I don't know how, and I'd be surprised if most Idevice owners do either.
(Mind you, I know at least one Android-based device that does it too -
"sent from Frank's BrailleSense".)] But I think we both know that's not
the sort of spam he was talking about (-:.

have seen some Android spam, too. But I don't
recall ever seeing ISP spam.

Well, my ISP - PlusNet - does advertise - I've seen their ad.s in places
- though IMO not excessively. But I don't think he meant ISPs
advertising themselves: I suspect he means they sell advertising space
on their webmail UI, to third parties.


--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Anything you add for security will slow the computer but it shouldn't be
significant or prolonged. Security software is to protect the computer, not
the primary use of the computer.
- VanguardLH in alt.windows7.general, 2018-1-28
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Old November 7th 18, 02:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mayayana
writes:



It's quickly getting to a
place where privacy will be cause for suspicion.

That's another one for my quotes file. (Except I think you're a bit
late

[]
It's already past that point.

When seeking employment, some employers want to
see your social media accounts, so they can judge you.
If you tell them you have no social media accounts,
well... it's like showing up for the interview
without shoes or a shirt :-)

Paul


No hope for me then! Well, "social media" as they think of it. They
could find out more about me than I'd want them to if they considered
usenet - there's decades of me there; however, most people have a very
narrow interpretation of what "social media" means.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Anything you add for security will slow the computer but it shouldn't be
significant or prolonged. Security software is to protect the computer, not
the primary use of the computer.
- VanguardLH in alt.windows7.general, 2018-1-28
  #58  
Old November 7th 18, 03:25 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 00:52:09 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

I think Outlook comes/came as part of Office, some editions;


Funny.

I don't
even know if you _can_ get it separately, unless you're a big corporate
and buying into an Outlook server too (where it works reasonably well).


Exchange server, not Outlook server, and it works very well. Actually,
Outlook is an excellent email client even if it's not being used with an
Exchange server. I've been using it (all of the versions except 2007)
since OfficeXP was current. I looked at Pegasus, OE, TB, and a few
others, but nothing comes close to Outlook. OE is awful, which is always
worth pointing out.

Some companies have in the past - I don't know if they still can do this
- arranged to have their employees get Office for home use, either free
or for $5 or something like that, on the (theoretical I'm sure!)
understanding that they'll remove it if they cease to be employees.


These days, it's probably either Click-to-run or O365, both of which
require the individual to log in to their employee account periodically,
so if they cease to be an employee Office will eventually stop working
because the person has lost their employee login.

In my case, my organization provides Office 2016 and permission to
install it on 5 personal devices/PCs at no cost, but if you become a
non-employee the various Office applications start complaining that you
haven't logged in to your employee account recently, and eventually they
stop working. I think that timeout period is 90 days, but I'm not sure.

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Old November 7th 18, 03:28 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 07:10:19 -0500, wrote:


"Standard Email"? What's that.

You're right, I should have said, as provided by my ISP, Optimum.

The good folks here are generous with their time, but you get better
results when you provide precise information. Which email program are
you talking about? And which version?

And what do you mean by "info"? Do you mean settings, or copies of
emails, or what?

All the names, Email addresses, telephone numbers, etc.

Im getting the impression that all this is kept by my ISP, and not
somewhere locally on my PC, since my laptop has access to the same
info. So, no need for backup here. Optimum Webmail does it for me.
Whew ...


I don't understand why you don't ask them your question. If you're
paying them for service, you should be able to get answers to
reasonable questions.

The pages of computing history are littered with people who lost
important information because it was stored on someone else's
computer (a/k/a "the cloud"), something happened to that other
computer, and they didn't have their own backups. Shutting your eyes
and relying on your "impression" strikes me as quite a risky
strategy.

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Old November 7th 18, 03:33 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:41:05 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Yes, and I'll add to that that as far as I'm concerned, webmail is by
far the worst way to do e-mail, for a variety of reasons. Almost any
e-mail program is far better than the worst webmail site.


I agree, but I'm not sure you said what you meant. And if you meant
"Almost any e-mail program is far better than the BEST webmail site"
then I must respectfully disagree. Some are better, certainly; but
some are less good.


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