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  #16  
Old August 11th 18, 03:19 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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"VanguardLH" wrote

| about Firefox but you cannot discuss Firefox (which he claims should go
| in the general newsgroup but that discusses EVERYTHING regarding
| Mozilla, not just Firefox).

And, general is pretty much a dead group. So
Chris is being disingenuous saying posts should
be made there. I stopped going to their server
altogether and gladly offer help in Windows groups.
It's the only realistic option.

That's the nice thing about usenet: It's just
about the only place left where we're all adults
with equal rights and not subject to having
ideas filtered.


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Old August 11th 18, 06:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mayayana wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote

| about Firefox but you cannot discuss Firefox (which he claims should go
| in the general newsgroup but that discusses EVERYTHING regarding
| Mozilla, not just Firefox).

And, general is pretty much a dead group. So
Chris is being disingenuous saying posts should
be made there. I stopped going to their server
altogether and gladly offer help in Windows groups.
It's the only realistic option.

That's the nice thing about usenet: It's just
about the only place left where we're all adults
with equal rights and not subject to having
ideas filtered.


I don't need nor want the hand-holding of moderators in Usenet. I have
yet to trial or use an NNTP client that doesn't let me define filters.
I get to decide how I filter Usenet for how I want to view it, not rely
on the bias and inefficiency of some human acting as moderator. For me,
if you don't filter then you accept a view of Usenet that shows all
articles and you'll have to use an on-deman filter (your eyes and brain)
to skip what you don't want to read - of course, after already seeing
it.

Yep, Ilias has destroyed the Firefox newsgroup. And no one at Mozilla
cares. There has NEVER been a call for other users to volunteer as
moderators to allow 24x7 coverage of the newsgroup (obviously Ilias
won't be present when he is at work or sleeping) and average out the
bias (all humans have some). Nor has Mozilla considered abandoning
their archaic maillist setup to which they grafted an NNTP gateway and
going straight to an NNTP server (e.g., INN). There is no guaranteed
delivery in e-mail protocols. There is no where for the mail server to
return a fail status to the submitter because the NNTP session has ended
by the time the mail server gets the submission, so the submitter never
knows that their submission ran afoul of some screwup in the mail server
on the other side of the NNTP gateway. And, no, I'm not wasting my time
trying to use e-mail to participate in a discussion in a [news]group.

If Mozilla wants to continue operating a mailing list for their help
groups, they should stick with just that method. Adding an NNTP gateway
just screws up the error status reporting scheme since the NNTP client
won't get notification back through the NNTP gateway when the mail
server ****s up. Mozilla should've moved to NNTP only a long time ago,
or they should've kept separate their mailing lists from their NNTP
newsgroups. Similar problems arise with web-based forums that employ
NNTP gateways to pretend they have a larger community while catering to
the newbies that only know how to use a web browser and installing,
configuring, and using an NNTP client is far beyond their comprehension
(i.e., use dumb interfaces for dumb users). The web-based "newsgroups"
are flat (no hierarchy) and often do not add the References header hence
destroying a conversation by starting new but disconnected threads.
Once an NNTP gateway is employed whether to an e-mail or web server,
that endpoint is unreliable for Usenet.

Ilias' moderation just adds insult to the already imperfect setup. It
is almost as though he relishes throwing salt on the wound.
  #18  
Old August 11th 18, 09:20 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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VanguardLH,

Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup?


That's if you can past their moderator


My apologies for butting in, but do you have any idea where I post Win32 -
FF programming related questions with any hope of getting a reply ? I've
tried a few newsgroups (based on their names) on news.mozilla.org, but
either the post didn't turn up or was done in a pretty-much empty one (but
had to try regardless).

The thing is that I've been figuring out how to use FFs (16, later 52) DLLs
to set up an SLL connection (works), but have no idea how to verify an
incoming certificate (upto the CA). In short, I have no idea what the
callback in SSL_AuthCertificateHook should contain.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #19  
Old August 11th 18, 12:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Daniel60
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R.Wieser wrote on 11/08/2018 6:20 PM:
VanguardLH,

Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup?


That's if you can past their moderator


My apologies for butting in, but do you have any idea where I post
Win32 - FF programming related questions with any hope of getting a
reply ? I've tried a few newsgroups (based on their names) on
news.mozilla.org, but either the post didn't turn up or was done in a
pretty-much empty one (but had to try regardless).

The thing is that I've been figuring out how to use FFs (16, later
52) DLLs to set up an SLL connection (works), but have no idea how to
verify an incoming certificate (upto the CA). In short, I have no
idea what the callback in SSL_AuthCertificateHook should contain.

Regards, Rudy Wieser

Rudy, as others are suggesting, getting a post to appear on the
mozilla.support.firefox news group on the news.mozilla.org news server,
but, if you're willing to wait a bit whilst your post get moderated, it
should, eventually, appear. SHOULD!

Another option ... I use the SeaMonkey Internet Suite (think Firefox
Browser + Thunderbird Email & News Client + HTML Composer +) and if I
want to find out what the developers are doing, I check out the
mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup. I would expect there to be a
similar mozilla.devs.apps.firefox newsgroup, but it's probably moderated
as well, so you might have to wait there as well.

Another possibility could be irc://moznet/firefox on the
irc://irc.mozilla.org/ irc server. Maybe some Firefox Devs hang out there.

HTH

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  #20  
Old August 11th 18, 02:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
R.Wieser
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Daniel60,

if you're willing to wait a bit whilst your post get moderated, it should,
eventually, appear.


I have monoitored the involved newsgroups for a few weeks after posting, but
never saw my post appear. For the others I either saw no other posts appear
(dead groups), or no response to it.

I check out the mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup.


I was not aware that FF was part of the seamonkey a suite. So thanks for
the suggestion.

Another possibility could be irc://moznet/firefox on the
irc://irc.mozilla.org/ irc server. Maybe some Firefox Devs hang out there.


I'll keep that in mind a a last resort (do not like IRC much).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #21  
Old August 11th 18, 04:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 8/11/2018 6:24 AM, R.Wieser wrote [in part]:
I was not aware that FF was part of the seamonkey a suite. So thanks for
the suggestion.


The browser capability in SeaMonkey uses the same core as a prior
Firefox version. The user interfaces, however, are quite different. I
assert that SeaMonkey's user interface is much superior to Firefox's.
At the least, SeaMonkey does not protect me from things from which I
definitely do NOT want any protection (e.g., extensions not hosted by
the Mozilla Web site).

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  #22  
Old August 11th 18, 05:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Oh crapola.

I did try the Firefox newsgroup but it failed to post !
That's why I posted here.

Read my post for those who did not!
If I restart Firefox, how do I get to the download folder ????

Now to make matters worse, on another Win XP laptop, if I download
something the Menu Downloads give me a blank screen. But it did
download because Everything finds it (knowing the name of the download
or keeping Everything active and sorted on Date while I do downloads.)

Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly.
Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it.
What else can it mean?




OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?


  #23  
Old August 11th 18, 06:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 09:55:00 -0700, OG wrote:


Oh crapola.

I did try the Firefox newsgroup but it failed to post !
That's why I posted here.

Read my post for those who did not!
If I restart Firefox, how do I get to the download folder ????

Now to make matters worse, on another Win XP laptop, if I download
something the Menu Downloads give me a blank screen. But it did
download because Everything finds it (knowing the name of the download
or keeping Everything active and sorted on Date while I do downloads.)

Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly.
Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it.
What else can it mean?


In about:config is

browser.download.useDownloadDir

set to "True" ?

Does

browser.download.dir

exist ?

Mine is currently "C:\Down"

[]'s




OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?

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  #24  
Old August 11th 18, 07:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 08/11/2018 11:55 AM, OG wrote:

[snip]

Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly.
Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it.
What else can it mean?


AFAIK, the latest ESR is 60, released at the same time as 52.8.

OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox


My FF has one. "Tools downloads", right click, 'open containing
folder'. You could also open the folder yourself.

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false, and by rulers as useful." Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.)
  #25  
Old August 11th 18, 07:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 08/10/2018 04:38 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/09/2018 10:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 8/9/2018 7:43 PM, OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?


Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? For
that, you need to create a free account in SeaMonkey for the
news.mozilla.org news server.


I use this server (news.mozilla.org) frequently, and there's no account
requirement there. Perhaps you were referring to setting up your newsreader.


In my newsreader, each setup for a NNTP (network news transfer protocol)
server is termed an "account".


Yes. That is different from an account on the server, which that sounded
line. Also, I included the name of the server (news.mozilla.org). So,
not really wrong, but somewhat unclear.

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  #26  
Old August 11th 18, 07:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 08/10/2018 05:44 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

There _is_ a requirement to register (or something) to use the
_newsgroup_ mozilla.support.firefox on the mozilla _server_. That server
does also carry unmoderated 'groups, such as mozilla.general .


I've posted there for several years, and read replies to my posts. There
was never anything about registering. I checked my "saved logons" (in
newsreader) and found nothing for Mozilla.

BTW, the other non-public server I use sometimes is news.grc.com, which
DOES have a special requirement for posting.

(You don't of course have to set up the account in SeaMonkey - you can
do it in any news client software that is compatible with the server,
which I think means any that will do NNTP.)


I use Thunderbird, which should be similar to SeaMonkey.

The suggestion of asking in the Firefox support 'group is a good one.


Yes.

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  #27  
Old August 11th 18, 08:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/11/2018 11:55 AM, OG wrote:

[snip]

Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly.
Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it.
What else can it mean?


AFAIK, the latest ESR is 60, released at the same time as 52.8.

OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox


My FF has one. "Tools downloads", right click, 'open containing
folder'. You could also open the folder yourself.


I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP.


  #28  
Old August 11th 18, 08:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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David,

The user interfaces, however, are quite different.


In my case I have isolated the DLLs FF 52 uses to set up an SSL connection,
and am fully ignoring the browser part.

But ... Reading your description about seamonkey, it might be a good idea to
take a peek - Although I'm using FF 52 ESR, thats not by choice*, but by
necessity. An earlier version got rejected by more-and-more websites,
because it doesn't support the newer encyption standards.

*just to name a two dislikings: It keeps phoning home, and the NewTab tiles
do even worse.

But although I've looked for it, I cannot seem to find any comparision chart
in regard to which version of FF supports which encryption standards
(otherwise I've probably would have been using an older, good-enough-for-me
version).

At the least, SeaMonkey does not protect me from things from
which I definitely do NOT want any protection (e.g., extensions
not hosted by the Mozilla Web site).


To be fair, FF 52 still allows you to bypass that check (without which I
would not be able to run my own experiments in that regard). It keeps
warning (nagging) you about it on the extension page though.

But yes, it has become a bit too nannying for my liking, as well as too
flirty with advertising.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #29  
Old August 11th 18, 08:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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"Bill in Co" wrote

| I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP.
|

Yes. And 60 is the last ESR, but not supported
on XP. However, OG can't be bothered to formulate
his question or understand what's going on. He's
one of those people who just screams, "Ahg! What's
wrong!", and expects someone to solve his problem
for him.
I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected
to lift the toilet seat first.


  #30  
Old August 11th 18, 09:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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OG,

If I restart Firefox, how do I get to the download folder ????


So, you mean that exit the firefox program, and than doubleclick the FireFox
icon on your desktop to make it appear again. Right ?

Yep, there is no way someone could read that any way different !

/sarcasm

FYI, I can read your origional question *and* your above one (which does not
add *any* new information to it) in at least ... five different ways.

Also, I gave you two ways to get to it. I have not even seen an
acknowledgement, let alone either a thank you *or* a description to why that
isn't what you need - and what you need instead.

Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it.
What else can it mean?


It means that you are making up stuff. :-(

Why ? Because the above is the very first time you have referred to
"FireFox ESR" having just been downloaded-and-installed.

And yes, its one of that series of ways I mentioned I could interpret your
question.


Newsflash: We here are *humans*. We do *not* posess any mind-reading
capabilities. If you have a problem and want us to provide a solution you
need to provide as much relevant info in with it as possible. Expecting us
to just grab the info from your mind will NOT work.

There is an old saying: at least 50% of (the quality of) the answer is
directly dependant on (the quality of)the question (bad questions get bad
answers).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
It depends. On what ? On if you reused the old profiles for the new
installation, and if that new installation was able to recognise (all) the
old data in it, *and* if it did not just overwrite it with its own (default)
preferences.

If not you won't be able to (find the old download folder thru FF. Does not
stop you from finding it thru Windows filemanager though).
And seeing that you have not already found that folder thru either of the
methods I gave you I think you're out of luck.


 




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