Microsoft will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10

On 07/05/2019 21.20, Chris wrote:
Beedle wrote:
On May 7, 2019, Wildman wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 07 May 2019 12:39:34 +0000, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/comma...ernel-with-win
dows/

"Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

"The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18...terminal-comma
nd-line-tool

Embrace, extend, and extinguish.

Except this isn’t the way to accomplish that.

To embrace truly, Microsoft would need to make their own Linux distribution.

Windows 10 with their own Linux kernel is their own distro.

It isn't. It is just a virtual machine running under windows, but
provided by them.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 08/05/2019 11:38, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 07/05/2019 21.20, Chris wrote:
Beedle wrote:
On May 7, 2019, Wildman wrote
(in ):

On Tue, 07 May 2019 12:39:34 +0000, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/comma...ernel-with-win
dows/

"Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

"The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18...terminal-comma
nd-line-tool

Embrace, extend, and extinguish.

Except this isn’t the way to accomplish that.

To embrace truly, Microsoft would need to make their own Linux distribution.

Windows 10 with their own Linux kernel is their own distro.

It isn't. It is just a virtual machine running under windows, but
provided by them.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm not saying they are, just postulating if they
did run windows with a linux kernel, *then*, it would be a distro
running the "Microsoft Windows" WM

On 5/7/19 8:39 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/

"Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

"The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool


Has MS given up on world domination? Better to continue making money
selling apps to a loyal following? They could just buy suse, continue it
as the ms distro while offering comercial closed-source apps to run on
it? I could live with that.

On Tue, 07 May 2019 16:55:50 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 16:27:19 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 10:24:42 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 12:39:34 +0000, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/

"Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

"The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool

Embrace, extend, and extinguish.

DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run.

Any other Microsoftisms?

How ya been Zag? I has been awhile.

I'm good. Moved into a new home. Getting some gutters done on the house
later this month. My oldest is graduating college this year.

I'm doing basic adulting. That and repurposing old, perfectly functional
equipment, as usual.

My latest project was an old, Win 8 Acer Aspire R7 convertible laptop. It
was working great until about a few hours in, when the processor slowed
to a crawl. I mean, you could see the buttons on "Calculator" go up one
at a time it was so slow. GDI is slow, but not /that/ slow. Ah well, I
guess that's going to the scrap heap.

The screen flip was so cool, too.

My dad had a ton of old hardware, and we're relieving him of some of it
because it's just sat in his closet for 5 years. LOL.

The rest is going to a recycler who charges extortionate rates, as that
is the law now. I bet none of it actually gets recycled.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 08/05/2019 16.11, bad sector wrote:
On 5/7/19 8:39 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/


Â*Â*Â*Â* "Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

Â*Â*Â*Â* "The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool



Has MS given up on world domination? Better to continue making money
selling apps to a loyal following? They could just buy suse, continue it
as the ms distro while offering comercial closed-source apps to run on
it?Â* I could live with that.

Anybody can sell closed source apps for Linux, currently. No need to buy
any distro for that.

Now, if they want to do that on only one distro, to save resources, they
would still need to convince people to use that single distro. The apps
would have to be real good.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 5/8/19 2:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/05/2019 16.11, bad sector wrote:
On 5/7/19 8:39 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/


Â*Â*Â*Â* "Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

Â*Â*Â*Â* "The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool



Has MS given up on world domination? Better to continue making money
selling apps to a loyal following? They could just buy suse, continue it
as the ms distro while offering comercial closed-source apps to run on
it?Â* I could live with that.

Anybody can sell closed source apps for Linux, currently. No need to buy
any distro for that.

Now, if they want to do that on only one distro, to save resources, they
would still need to convince people to use that single distro. The apps
would have to be real good.

Marketing to a billion loyal fans may require to bundle with the apps a
trouble-free flag carrying free and open OS. Call it Windows-LX, its
other technical details would be relatively meaningless. After all, it's
been said before that an OS is just a plugin for one's favorite apps.

On 08/05/2019 21.41, bad sector wrote:
On 5/8/19 2:57 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 08/05/2019 16.11, bad sector wrote:
On 5/7/19 8:39 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/



Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* "Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* "The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command
line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool




Has MS given up on world domination? Better to continue making money
selling apps to a loyal following? They could just buy suse, continue it
as the ms distro while offering comercial closed-source apps to run on
it?Â* I could live with that.

Anybody can sell closed source apps for Linux, currently. No need to buy
any distro for that.

Now, if they want to do that on only one distro, to save resources, they
would still need to convince people to use that single distro. The apps
would have to be real good.

Marketing to a billion loyal fans may require to bundle with the apps a
trouble-free flag carrying free and open OS. Call it Windows-LX, its
other technical details would be relatively meaningless. After all, it's
been said before that an OS is just a plugin for one's favorite apps.

As long as it works.

You can do it the android way: underneath there is some Linux, but what
users see is a more or less proprietary layer on top, and then control
the applications. But Google has not taken ownership of the Linux
underneath, they can't change the licensing, and they do not need to.

Doing a fork of the kernel and maintain it for ever takes an awful
amount of manpower. Do they want do do it, or find it preferable to pick
it from the community for free, each version? If the second, they need
keeping that community happy, or they stop. Thus, they can not kill
Linux that way.

So no, I do not see M$ taking ownership, if legally possible.

Invest and monetize from Linux, yes, obviously. I see no harm in that.
Better for everybody around.


--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 5/8/19 4:36 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

You can do it the android way: underneath there is some Linux, but what
users see is a more or less proprietary layer on top, and then control
the applications. But Google has not taken ownership of the Linux
underneath, they can't change the licensing, and they do not need to.

Doing a fork of the kernel and maintain it for ever takes an awful
amount of manpower. Do they want do do it, or find it preferable to pick
it from the community for free, each version? If the second, they need
keeping that community happy, or they stop. Thus, they can not kill
Linux that way.

So no, I do not see M$ taking ownership, if legally possible.

Invest and monetize from Linux, yes, obviously. I see no harm in that.
Better for everybody around.

I'm begining to think that Linux is not their major worry but rather the
3-way ****fest looming betwen them, google, and even fakebook. That of
course is something only they and their hairdressers know for sure.
Whoever makes new friends gains ground.

On Wed, 08 May 2019 12:53:10 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 16:55:50 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 16:27:19 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 10:24:42 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 12:39:34 +0000, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/

"Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

"The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool

Embrace, extend, and extinguish.

DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run.

Any other Microsoftisms?

How ya been Zag? I has been awhile.

I'm good. Moved into a new home. Getting some gutters done on the house
later this month. My oldest is graduating college this year.

I'm doing basic adulting. That and repurposing old, perfectly functional
equipment, as usual.

My latest project was an old, Win 8 Acer Aspire R7 convertible laptop. It
was working great until about a few hours in, when the processor slowed
to a crawl. I mean, you could see the buttons on "Calculator" go up one
at a time it was so slow. GDI is slow, but not /that/ slow. Ah well, I
guess that's going to the scrap heap.

The screen flip was so cool, too.

My dad had a ton of old hardware, and we're relieving him of some of it
because it's just sat in his closet for 5 years. LOL.

The rest is going to a recycler who charges extortionate rates, as that
is the law now. I bet none of it actually gets recycled.

Glad to hear you are doing OK. Same here. I retired about three
years ago although I'm still working at the TV station in master
control a couple days a week. I just enjoy doing it. And a
little extra money in my pocket doesn's hurt. :-)

I haven't heard from any of the regulars from the .old group
for a long time. I often wonder what Ajax, Badbri, John_S
and all the others are doing now. Also, there hasn't been
any activity on the old_network for a long time. Have you
heard from any of them?

Are you still doing any coding? I haven't done anything for
DOS or Windows for a long time. More recently I have been
learning Python on the Linux platform. Lots of fun.

--
Wildman GNU/Linux user #557453
Dooooooooom!
-Morbo

On Thu, 09 May 2019 10:48:19 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Wed, 08 May 2019 12:53:10 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 16:55:50 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 16:27:19 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 10:24:42 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 12:39:34 +0000, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/

"Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

"The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool

Embrace, extend, and extinguish.

DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run.

Any other Microsoftisms?

How ya been Zag? I has been awhile.

I'm good. Moved into a new home. Getting some gutters done on the house
later this month. My oldest is graduating college this year.

I'm doing basic adulting. That and repurposing old, perfectly functional
equipment, as usual.

My latest project was an old, Win 8 Acer Aspire R7 convertible laptop. It
was working great until about a few hours in, when the processor slowed
to a crawl. I mean, you could see the buttons on "Calculator" go up one
at a time it was so slow. GDI is slow, but not /that/ slow. Ah well, I
guess that's going to the scrap heap.

The screen flip was so cool, too.

My dad had a ton of old hardware, and we're relieving him of some of it
because it's just sat in his closet for 5 years. LOL.

The rest is going to a recycler who charges extortionate rates, as that
is the law now. I bet none of it actually gets recycled.

Glad to hear you are doing OK. Same here. I retired about three
years ago although I'm still working at the TV station in master
control a couple days a week. I just enjoy doing it. And a
little extra money in my pocket doesn's hurt. :-)

I haven't heard from any of the regulars from the .old group
for a long time. I often wonder what Ajax, Badbri, John_S
and all the others are doing now. Also, there hasn't been
any activity on the old_network for a long time. Have you
heard from any of them?

Are you still doing any coding? I haven't done anything for
DOS or Windows for a long time. More recently I have been
learning Python on the Linux platform. Lots of fun.

Ajax and I sometimes chat on the phone. He's hanging in there. He's a bit
in the weeds right now, though.

Haven't heard from anyone else. No [old_network] emails ever.

I don't really code any more. I'm an operator. I'm running a couple of
wireless networks for my family in my spare time. One has a WAN link, one
doesn't. Learning to make Windows 10 sit, roll over, and play dead was
quite a task.

That's why I'm in the Win 10 group. Learn stuff, share stuff, get better
at it. It keeps shifting every 6 damn months, so it's hard to stay on top
of it all.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On Thu, 09 May 2019 21:24:30 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Thu, 09 May 2019 10:48:19 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Wed, 08 May 2019 12:53:10 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 16:55:50 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 16:27:19 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 10:24:42 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Wildman
wrote:

On Tue, 07 May 2019 12:39:34 +0000, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

Microsoft said it will ship a full Linux kernel in Windows 10
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/

"Beginning with Windows Insiders builds this summer,
we will include an in-house custom-built Linux kernel"

"The kernel itself will initially be based on version 4.19"

Microsoft is also promising to update this kernel through Windows
Update, and it will be open source with the ability for developers
to create their own WSL kernel and contribute changes.

Microsoft also announced Windows Terminal yesterday, a new command line:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool

Embrace, extend, and extinguish.

DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run.

Any other Microsoftisms?

How ya been Zag? I has been awhile.

I'm good. Moved into a new home. Getting some gutters done on the house
later this month. My oldest is graduating college this year.

I'm doing basic adulting. That and repurposing old, perfectly functional
equipment, as usual.

My latest project was an old, Win 8 Acer Aspire R7 convertible laptop. It
was working great until about a few hours in, when the processor slowed
to a crawl. I mean, you could see the buttons on "Calculator" go up one
at a time it was so slow. GDI is slow, but not /that/ slow. Ah well, I
guess that's going to the scrap heap.

The screen flip was so cool, too.

My dad had a ton of old hardware, and we're relieving him of some of it
because it's just sat in his closet for 5 years. LOL.

The rest is going to a recycler who charges extortionate rates, as that
is the law now. I bet none of it actually gets recycled.

Glad to hear you are doing OK. Same here. I retired about three
years ago although I'm still working at the TV station in master
control a couple days a week. I just enjoy doing it. And a
little extra money in my pocket doesn's hurt. :-)

I haven't heard from any of the regulars from the .old group
for a long time. I often wonder what Ajax, Badbri, John_S
and all the others are doing now. Also, there hasn't been
any activity on the old_network for a long time. Have you
heard from any of them?

Are you still doing any coding? I haven't done anything for
DOS or Windows for a long time. More recently I have been
learning Python on the Linux platform. Lots of fun.

Ajax and I sometimes chat on the phone. He's hanging in there. He's a bit
in the weeds right now, though.

I think I have lost his phone number. Mine has changed since
the last time I talked to him. Next time you talk to him
give him my best. I hope the "weeds" get whacked soon. And
tell him my Yahoo email is still good, if he would like to
catch up sometime when he feels like it.

Haven't heard from anyone else. No [old_network] emails ever.

Same here. It has been a few years.

I don't really code any more. I'm an operator. I'm running a couple of
wireless networks for my family in my spare time. One has a WAN link, one
doesn't. Learning to make Windows 10 sit, roll over, and play dead was
quite a task.

That's why I'm in the Win 10 group. Learn stuff, share stuff, get better
at it. It keeps shifting every 6 damn months, so it's hard to stay on top
of it all.

I have never tried Win10. I still have 2 XP boxes. One is dedicated
to MagicJack and nothing else. Sets behind a Pfsense firewall with
only the ports open that MagicJack uses. The other one is used for
VB6 and video/audio capture and editing although it is rarely used
any more. I still have my WFW3.11/DOS box but it hasn't been used in
several years. I turn it on once in a while just to see if it still
works. I do have another box with Win7Pro but it isn't even hooked
up. It sets under my workbench covered in dust.

I've been using Linux for about 12 years now. I tried Ubuntu in
2007 and I liked it. The idea of not having the constant worry
about malware was apealing. And the permission-based file system
adds to the security. Linux does have the occasional security
leak but those occasions are rare. As an OS, I don't really have
anything against Windows from an operational standpoint. I just
got tired of the constant fight to keep virus scanners and other
anti-malware software up to date. I have been running my current
installation of Linux for over 5 years without a reinstall. No
need.

--
Wildman GNU/Linux user #557453
"It's curtains for Windows around my house."
-Cybe R. Wizard

On 2019-05-10, Wildman wrote:
....

I've been using Linux for about 12 years now. I tried Ubuntu in
2007 and I liked it. The idea of not having the constant worry
about malware was apealing. And the permission-based file system
adds to the security. Linux does have the occasional security
leak but those occasions are rare. As an OS, I don't really have
anything against Windows from an operational standpoint. I just
got tired of the constant fight to keep virus scanners and other
anti-malware software up to date. I have been running my current
installation of Linux for over 5 years without a reinstall. No
need.
o
Probably not a good idea. Most distros stop issuing even security
updates by 5 years, meaning there will be some Linux security exploits
unfixed on you system.

On Fri, 10 May 2019 04:09:58 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

On 2019-05-10, Wildman wrote:
...

I've been using Linux for about 12 years now. I tried Ubuntu in
2007 and I liked it. The idea of not having the constant worry
about malware was apealing. And the permission-based file system
adds to the security. Linux does have the occasional security
leak but those occasions are rare. As an OS, I don't really have
anything against Windows from an operational standpoint. I just
got tired of the constant fight to keep virus scanners and other
anti-malware software up to date. I have been running my current
installation of Linux for over 5 years without a reinstall. No
need.
o
Probably not a good idea. Most distros stop issuing even security
updates by 5 years, meaning there will be some Linux security exploits
unfixed on you system.

Incorrect. I have done all updates/upgrades during this time.
The distro I'm using, SolydX, follows Debian Stable currently
version 9 (Stretch). My system is up to date.

--
Wildman GNU/Linux user #557453
"Be at war with your vices, at peace with your neighbors,
and let every new year find you a better man."
-Benjamin Franklin

On Thu, 09 May 2019 21:24:30 -0500
Zaghadka wrote:

Learning to make Windows 10 sit, roll over, and play dead was
quite a task.

One would think the, "play dead," bit would prove quite easy. ;-]

--
Cybe R. Wizard
My other computer is a HOLMES IV with the Mycroft OS