registry cleaner and back up

I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating
file extensions .( Use it all the time )



On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron
wrote:

CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file
extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not
work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it
again.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Nonsense...

CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

And improves performance.

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific
*problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing
of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry
cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific
key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a
chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually
changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the
dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple
changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your
registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no
matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no
empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to
"clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability.
Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every
time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since
no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of
them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal
value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell
people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in
the hands of the inexperienced user.

wrote in message
...
I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating
file extensions .( Use it all the time )



On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron
wrote:

CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all
file
extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not
work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use
it
again.


I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.

I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.

Perceptive.

I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems.

Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice.

DSH

"Olórin" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
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I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating
file extensions .( Use it all the time )

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron
wrote:

CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all
file extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because
exe did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done.
I will not use it again.


I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.

Olórin wrote:
wrote in message
...
I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about
disassociating file extensions .( Use it all the time )



On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron
wrote:

CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and
disassociatd all file
extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe
did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I
will not use it
again.


I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a
result, found associations lost - or whether someone else did some
work on his machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when
things went belly-up.

Quite possibly the case. It's like when a politician says, "Mistakes
were made." :-)

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.

Perceptive.

I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems.

Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice.

DSH


Whoops, is it "voice"? (Hits the Web.) Ook. I hate getting that sort of
thing wrong!

You were right on the substance.

I don't think he knows what he's talking about.

DSH

"Olórin" wrote in message
...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.

Perceptive.

I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such
problems.

Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice.

DSH


Whoops, is it "voice"? (Hits the Web.) Ook. I hate getting that sort of
thing wrong!

Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Nonsense...

CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

And improves performance.

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific
*problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing
of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry
cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific
key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a
chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually
changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the
dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple
changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your
registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no
matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no
empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to
"clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability.
Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every
time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since
no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of
them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal
value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell
people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in
the hands of the inexperienced user.

"Linda W" Linda wrote in message
...
Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors
on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay
them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?

snip

Yes, it is a scam. Firstly and most importantly, if you have 'errors' in
your Registry you will have problems running the OS and/or program. If you
do have these problems Registry Cleaners will not help. What these cleaners
term as errors are not errors they are simply entries in the Registry that
the 'Cleaners' determine are redundant. Contrary to what many may tell you,
these redundant entries do absolutely no harm and have no effect on the
operation of the OS or programs. They may inflate the size of the Registry
but as disk space is the least of problems with modern machines, this is of
no consequence. Further, occasionally Registry Cleaners will remove or
advise removal of Registry entries that are required for the running of
installed programs and if acted upon will require you to reinstall the
program.

There are many who will tell you that Registry Cleaners will/may damage the
OS. So far no one has yet given any evidence of this other than hearsay but
the overall advice of these programs have the potential of doing harm
without doing any good is valid.

CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.

DSH

"Edward W. Thompson" wrote in message
...

"Linda W" Linda wrote in message
...
Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors
on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after
I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay
them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?

snip

Yes, it is a scam. Firstly and most importantly, if you have 'errors' in
your Registry you will have problems running the OS and/or program. If
you do have these problems Registry Cleaners will not help. What these
cleaners term as errors are not errors they are simply entries in the
Registry that the 'Cleaners' determine are redundant. Contrary to what
many may tell you, these redundant entries do absolutely no harm and have
no effect on the operation of the OS or programs. They may inflate the
size of the Registry but as disk space is the least of problems with
modern machines, this is of no consequence. Further, occasionally
Registry Cleaners will remove or advise removal of Registry entries that
are required for the running of installed programs and if acted upon will
require you to reinstall the program.

There are many who will tell you that Registry Cleaners will/may damage
the OS. So far no one has yet given any evidence of this other than
hearsay but the overall advice of these programs have the potential of
doing harm without doing any good is valid.

Linda W wrote:
Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?



Yes, registry cleaners are all a scam.


--

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killed a great many philosophers.
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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.



No, it is not. It''s not better than any of the other snake oil scams
available.


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killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:11:00 -0800, Linda W Linda
wrote:

Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?


All registry cleaners are scams at best. At worst, they can completely
hose your system.

I strongly suggest you avoid using any registry cleaning program. They
are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.

http://www.ccleaner.com/

Try it...

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.

No, it is not. It''s [sic] not better than any of the other snake oil
scams available.
--
Bruce Chambers

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Nonsense.

Chambers is just blustering and burbling.

CCleaner works beautifully as a Registry Cleaner.



*NO* registry cleaner works "beautifully," as *NONE* of them do
anything in the least bit useful or beneficial.

And CCLeaner, in particular, products nothing but false positives,
identifying orphaned entries where none exist. I've tested it.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Evidence?


D. Spencer Hines wrote:
CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.

DSH

"Edward W. Thompson" wrote in message
...

"Linda W" Linda wrote in message
...
Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I
typed in www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found
over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them
after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to
pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?

snip

Yes, it is a scam. Firstly and most importantly, if you have
'errors' in your Registry you will have problems running the OS
and/or program. If you do have these problems Registry Cleaners
will not help. What these cleaners term as errors are not errors
they are simply entries in the Registry that the 'Cleaners'
determine are redundant. Contrary to what many may tell you, these
redundant entries do absolutely no harm and have no effect on the
operation of the OS or programs. They may inflate the size of the
Registry but as disk space is the least of problems with modern
machines, this is of no consequence. Further, occasionally Registry
Cleaners will remove or advise removal of Registry entries that are
required for the running of installed programs and if acted upon
will require you to reinstall the program.

There are many who will tell you that Registry Cleaners will/may
damage the OS. So far no one has yet given any evidence of this
other than hearsay but the overall advice of these programs have the
potential of doing harm without doing any good is valid.