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  #31  
Old November 5th 07, 10:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Default Registry Cleaner

I Agree.

BUT it's the damned COURTS and LEGISLATURES that have done that to
Microsoft.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message
...

For reasons known only to Bill Gates and God - is that the same
thing? - MS has eshewed all kinds of useful utilities and allowed
the 3rd party folks to take center stage. I've always wondered
what MS might've been able to do had they really tried.
Seriously, with no hint whatsoever about MS bashing, who better
to write competent utilities than the designer/builder of the
O/S?



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  #32  
Old November 5th 07, 10:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
John John
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HEMI-Powered wrote:

John John added these comments in the current discussion du jour
...


If it is so great why haven't they (Microsoft OneCare)
included a registry cleaner in their product? Maybe it's
because registry cleaning provides too great risks of damages
while doing nothing to improve performance...



For reasons known only to Bill Gates and God - is that the same
thing? - MS has eshewed all kinds of useful utilities and allowed
the 3rd party folks to take center stage. I've always wondered
what MS might've been able to do had they really tried.
Seriously, with no hint whatsoever about MS bashing, who better
to write competant utilities than the designer/builder of the
O/S?


Microsoft didn't write the OneCare utilities, nor did they write the
registry cleaner that is mentioned on their web site, these utilities
were written by what was previously Giant Software, Microsoft bought
them out so that they could expand their business and get into the AV
business. If my memory serves me well the total AV business is pegged
at about 12 billion dollars a year and it is a market that Microsoft
would dearly love to get a share of.

Of course Microsoft is rewriting and reassessing the Giant/OneCare
utilities that it ships but the bulk of these utilities were not written
by Microsoft. Until Giant was bought out by Microsoft many people had
never even heard of them before.

John

  #33  
Old November 6th 07, 12:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Unknown
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You are quite correct---noone owes me any explanations. But your credibility
is so utterly non existent because
of the blatant idiotic notions you post without EVER documenting, proving or
explaining any of them.
" db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com
wrote in message ...
well,
it makes no difference
to me or microsoft or
the world.

unfortunate for you that
no one here owes you
any explanations about
anything.

--

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)))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º



.


"Unknown" wrote in message
t...
You in no way accomplished my request. Give me a logical explanation not
a sales pitch. If you have games installed on your computer would you
speed up your computer if you deleted them? Get realistic.
" db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ." databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com
wrote in message ...
absolutely....

in fact you can here
it directly from the
experts he

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/a...leaner_why.htm

the teams of code writers
and testers concur on
the above; according to
the chat i had with
a microsoft technician
several months ago.

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)))º·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. )))º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸)))º


.


"Unknown" wrote in message
t...
Will you and db be so kind as to give us any logical explanation of HOW
a register cleaner can improve performance?
Don't say by getting rid of unneeded data. Give a LOGICAL explanation.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Right!

He just wants someone else to do his work for him.

DSH

" db ´¯`·.. )))º` .. ."
databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com wrote in message
news:%23duS%

...

he is a sly one and
was just baiting you.

if he had such an open
mind, he could download
the program and test it
himself.
--

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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

I don't give a rat's rear end whether you believe me or not.

I'm not trying to sell anything.

So, it's not worth my time and effort to post elaborate results of
the tests
I ran -- which will simply lead to a long thread of worthless back
and forth
caterwauling.

I can use that time far better in other useful pursuits such as
managing my
stock portfolio, working on the car, writing a historical post or
email or
doing something nice for my wife -- not necessarily in that order.
g

I ran controlled tests on nine different machines with various
configurations -- using the Registry Cleaner in CCleaner.

Performance was improved on all of them -- fewer hangs and pauses,
faster
loading of applications, faster executions of commands and faster
startups
and shutdowns.

No Glitches -- Removing Something That Should Not Have Been
Removed -- No
FUD.

I have no experience of using other Registry Cleaners -- so I can't
speak to
them.

I do, carefully, sometimes manually remove or make changes to the
Registry. So, I'm not a barefoot empiricist.

Your Mileage May Vary...

So, Run Your Own Tests.

Bonne Chance!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas










  #34  
Old November 6th 07, 12:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Stan Brown
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Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:56:56 GMT from HEMI-Powered :
I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100% only
to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or invalid keys,
leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I have ever seen a
performance increase, though.


So your philosophy is "if it ain't broke, fix it anyway"? :-)

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"If there's one thing I know, it's men. I ought to: it's
been my life work." -- Marie Dressler, in /Dinner at Eight/
  #35  
Old November 6th 07, 07:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
HEMI-Powered
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Stan Brown added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:56:56 GMT from HEMI-Powered
:
I clean my Registry periodically with JV16 Powertools 100%
only to get rid of unnessary clutter such as obsolete or
invalid keys, leftover shortcuts and the like. Can't say I
have ever seen a performance increase, though.


So your philosophy is "if it ain't broke, fix it anyway"? :-)

No, the exact opposite. I didn't say so in this thread, but a
Registry scan is part of my periodic malware extensve scans. That
makes sense, at least to me, to see if something may have slipped
by that I recognize as "bad" but in the process, I clear out the
obvious crap. I do NOT go looking just for the sake of looking,
ditto for cleaning ever, ditto for performance increases because I
don't feel there are any to be gained.

--
HP, aka Jerry
  #36  
Old November 27th 07, 04:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Ron Ruys
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Default registry cleaner and back up

CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file
extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not
work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it
again.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Nonsense...

CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

And improves performance.

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific
*problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing
of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry
cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific
key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a
chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually
changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the
dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple
changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your
registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no
matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no
empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to
"clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability.
Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every
time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since
no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of
them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal
value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell
people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in
the hands of the inexperienced user.




  #37  
Old November 27th 07, 10:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
No_Name
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Default registry cleaner and back up

I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating
file extensions .( Use it all the time )



On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron
wrote:

CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all file
extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because exe did not
work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done. I will not use it
again.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Nonsense...

CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

And improves performance.

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific
*problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing
of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry
cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific
key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a
chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually
changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the
dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple
changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your
registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no
matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no
empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to
"clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability.
Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every
time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since
no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of
them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal
value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell
people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in
the hands of the inexperienced user.




  #39  
Old November 28th 07, 05:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.


Perceptive.

I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems.

Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice.

DSH

"Olórin" wrote in message
...
wrote in message
...


I`ve just looked at ccleaner , can`t see anything about disassociating
file extensions .( Use it all the time )

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:08:01 -0800, Ron Ruys Ron
wrote:

CCleaner was used on my recently rebuilt hard drive and disassociatd all
file extensions on my computer. No programs worked anymore because
exe did not work any more so another complete rebuild had to be done.
I will not use it again.


I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.



  #41  
Old November 29th 07, 10:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Olórin
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.


Perceptive.

I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such problems.

Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice.

DSH


Whoops, is it "voice"? (Hits the Web.) Ook. I hate getting that sort of
thing wrong!


  #42  
Old November 29th 07, 07:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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You were right on the substance.

I don't think he knows what he's talking about.

DSH

"Olórin" wrote in message
...

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...


I note the use of the passive tense: "CCleaner was used...". Call me
cynical, but it makes me wonder if Ron used it himself and, as a result,
found associations lost - or whether someone else did some work on his
machine for him and pointed the finger at CCleaner when things went
belly-up.


Perceptive.

I'm a regular user of CCleaner and have not encountered any such
problems.

Note the use of the active voice -- not the passive voice.

DSH


Whoops, is it "voice"? (Hits the Web.) Ook. I hate getting that sort of
thing wrong!



  #43  
Old December 24th 07, 05:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Linda W
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Posts: 2
Default registry cleaner and back up

Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

Nonsense...

CCleaner is safe as a Registry Cleaner....

And improves performance.

DSH

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific
*problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus listing
of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry
cleaner?

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would be
far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the specific
key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use a
chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally, the manually
changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely to have the
dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make multiple
changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean your
registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of the
computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning loose
a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully confident that
he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of each and every
change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner, no
matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been no
empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to
"clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance or stability.
Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and every
time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there. And, since
no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of
them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real medicinal
value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo effect), I always tell
people that the risks far out-weigh the non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe in
the hands of the inexperienced user.




  #44  
Old December 24th 07, 06:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Edward W. Thompson
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Posts: 119
Default registry cleaner and back up


"Linda W" Linda wrote in message
...
Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors
on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay
them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?

snip

Yes, it is a scam. Firstly and most importantly, if you have 'errors' in
your Registry you will have problems running the OS and/or program. If you
do have these problems Registry Cleaners will not help. What these cleaners
term as errors are not errors they are simply entries in the Registry that
the 'Cleaners' determine are redundant. Contrary to what many may tell you,
these redundant entries do absolutely no harm and have no effect on the
operation of the OS or programs. They may inflate the size of the Registry
but as disk space is the least of problems with modern machines, this is of
no consequence. Further, occasionally Registry Cleaners will remove or
advise removal of Registry entries that are required for the running of
installed programs and if acted upon will require you to reinstall the
program.

There are many who will tell you that Registry Cleaners will/may damage the
OS. So far no one has yet given any evidence of this other than hearsay but
the overall advice of these programs have the potential of doing harm
without doing any good is valid.


  #45  
Old December 24th 07, 07:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.customize,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Posts: 187
Default Registry Cleaner

CCleaner is very helpful in this respect.

DSH

"Edward W. Thompson" wrote in message
...

"Linda W" Linda wrote in message
...
Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors
on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after
I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay
them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?

snip

Yes, it is a scam. Firstly and most importantly, if you have 'errors' in
your Registry you will have problems running the OS and/or program. If
you do have these problems Registry Cleaners will not help. What these
cleaners term as errors are not errors they are simply entries in the
Registry that the 'Cleaners' determine are redundant. Contrary to what
many may tell you, these redundant entries do absolutely no harm and have
no effect on the operation of the OS or programs. They may inflate the
size of the Registry but as disk space is the least of problems with
modern machines, this is of no consequence. Further, occasionally
Registry Cleaners will remove or advise removal of Registry entries that
are required for the running of installed programs and if acted upon will
require you to reinstall the program.

There are many who will tell you that Registry Cleaners will/may damage
the OS. So far no one has yet given any evidence of this other than
hearsay but the overall advice of these programs have the potential of
doing harm without doing any good is valid.



 




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