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Old April 18th 13, 04:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,sci.electronics.basics
BeeJ
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Default Cam Setup

I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep
failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do
that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.


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  #2  
Old April 18th 13, 05:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
David H. Lipman
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Default Cam Setup

From: "BeeJ"

I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to
do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do
that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.


It is a Wired ethernet device. It will get an address via DHCP from the
Router and will setup like any other device.

What have you done so far with it ?
What are you trying to do with it ?
Do you intend to access this camera from the POV of the Internet ?
You have to describe your intentions 'cause it is those in tentions that
drive the setup.

BTW: uPnP is not a dangerous backdoor and with all those groups
cross-posted to, NONE are networking groups and while this is a CCD camera,
it is a network appliance and is not "windowsXP.hardware", it is a networked
device and OS independent.

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

  #3  
Old April 18th 13, 05:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
John Larkin
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Default Cam Setup

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:48:36 -0700, BeeJ wrote:

I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep
failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do
that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.


If you don't need full motion but can get by with snapshots, you can use Yawcam
to push pics every minute or whatever to a Dropbox folder. That's all free and
works great, and you don't have to mess with routers and ports and stuff like
that.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
  #4  
Old April 18th 13, 06:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Paul
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Default Cam Setup

BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.



BeeJ sitting in McDonalds ----- Broadband Modem ---- BLC1A IP camera
wanting to "watch house" and Router web server
Port forwarding, --- data stream
port 80 etc.

5000Kbit/sec ---
--- 800Kbit/sec

1) Your ISP has a Terms of Service (TOS). It states what applications
you can use. Operating a "server" on your home LAN, port forwarding
or using DMZ so it is visible outside, is against the TOS of a
home Internet account. If you buy a business account instead, it
is allowed.

2) In the diagram, the "good" direction is the 5000 download rate.
However, when you run a server, that uses bandwidth in the
other direction (800). That may be too slow for a high res
compressed video stream. A business account can have symmetric
bandwidth, like 5000 down, 5000 up, and then you can Skype or
IP cam to quite a high res. My ISP sells me 800, when the actual
rate is 300 to 400. The service guarantee says "up to 800",
not "exactly 800".

3) Port Forwarding or using DMZ on the router, exposes you to
the Internet. Not only can BeeJ in McDonalds send packets to
the camera, *I* can send packets to the camera. I will sit
there, trying to brute force the password on the camera. I'm
a badd ass script kiddie. See the exposure ? When you don't
open ports on the router, the router takes most of the
abuse from script kiddies like myself, and the LAN side is
relatively safe (NAT, stateful packet inspection).

4) The ISP has a packet classifier. It can detect attempts to
run a mail server, on *any* port number, and close that
port, all fully automatically. It's not even a matter of
the ISP "noticing" what you're doing. Policy enforcement
is done with hardware. The ISP can check the logs later.
No need for an "operator" to scan your activities, like
a security guard. Hardware does it instead.

Your IP cam, being a web server, may run on Port 80. You
were probably thinking "well, if I use port 9000 instead,
they'll never notice". Packets have recognizable characteristics,
and HTTP protocol can likely be sniffed. They could immediately
spot a web server and close the port number. On my
previous ISP, the classifier opens the port after you
stop abusing it, about 15 minutes later. That's how long
a response from the box lasts, when it detects a policy
violation.

Even when a user has a business Internet account, rule
still apply. Generally, the ISP does not put all the port
rules in writing. You only discover, as a businessman,
that you can't run your own mail server. The tech support
may not choose to verify any "rules" with regard to what
port number or protocols are policed. For example, some
classifier schemes, interfere with BitTorrent traffic. When
my ISP first got their classifier "God Box", it was even
sending RST packets for regular traffic! (That causes
random connection problems while surfing.) RST packets
are normal, except when you get too many of them, as
a response from too many different servers. Then you suspect
they're faked by the ISP.

5) To set things up, you use Dynamic DNS, where your ISP
assigned IP address, has a "name" associated with it. You
use a DynDNS service, to update the info, so you don't have
to record the current public IP address manually. The rest of
the procedure, you can follow the manual for that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_DNS

(DNS lookup)
BeeJ.camera.com --- 207.49.17.23 --- router,uPnP --- 192.168.2.100
port 80

The 207.49.17.23 is the IP address from the ISP DHCP server,
and that number changes every time you set up a DHCP lease
(i.e. start a session). DynDNS takes the current 207.49.17.23
number, and sends it via a DNS service, so that the mapping
can be updated. BeeJ sitting in McDonalds, using a web
browser, types in "http:\\BeeJ.camera.com" and out comes the video.
Many home Internet accounts, use dynamic addressing, which is why
this is necessary. Some ISPs offer static addresses, in which case
a DynDNS service is not required. (The mapping is always correct,
and you don't have to do anything.) If you use a DynDNS service,
the power went off at home, then power comes back on, you've totally
automated rebooting, it can take up to fifteen minutes for the new
mapping for the newly acquired DHCP lease, to appear on the Internet.
And DynDNS services, place a limit on how many updates they're
willing to do, per day. Like many services, they have "anti-hammering"
rules.

When I connected and disconnected my modem from the ISP, too many times
in one minute, the ISP automatically blocked me for 15 minutes, before
I could start a new session. That's an example of anti-hammering, even
on your ISP account. That's an automatic feature too (no human disconnected
me). Now, I don't hammer the DHCP server, quite as hard, having
learned my lesson.

*******

Other than that, well, have fun. Give it a try, and
see what happens.

One guy on here, runs IP cameras from a remote location,
and so far, I have not heard him report any horror stories.
So take all my warnings, with a grain of salt.

You can:

1) Run a camera. Save content to computer disk.
2) FTP transfer or email recorded content, to a third-party server somewhere.
3) Sit in McDonalds, visit the third-party server,
download the recorded content. Now you have non-real-time,
non-streaming, monitoring.
4) That doesn't constitute running a server, as the connections
appear to be client connections and not server connections.
The FTP upload is still slow, as would be the email upload.
The speed doesn't change. Just the "non-TOS" methodology.
No classifier rules will trigger on this. (But send too many
emails, to your ISP email server, and there's probably a
hammering rule for that too. Spammers send many emails per
minute, so a home internet account may have email send limits.)
FTP uploading should be OK, until you run out of bandwidth
allocation for the month. Take bitrate of camera, and compute
how many gigabytes that is, to upload all of it, in a month.

HTH,
Paul
  #5  
Old April 18th 13, 09:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
charlie[_2_]
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Default Cam Setup

On 4/18/2013 11:48 AM, BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.




Set the camera to a address within the routers address space
If the router's DHCP service works, you should not have to do this.
You indicated that the router uses 128.168.3.xxx as the address space?
The first three numbers are dependent upon the router, and the last may
be the default camera address. (Many routers use 192.168.0.xxx)
It's important to know the routers address space, and how to setup the
router to allow/disallow access to specific addresses.
You did not identify the make and model of the router, so specific
advice cannot be given.
Within the address space, you may have other devices (P/Cs, Printers,
etc. that are assigned addresses, either static or dynamic addresses.
Assignment of static addresses is normally done outside the address
space used of dynamic addressing.
Mfr's software often uses an address scheme that is different than the
IP address. This address may be shown on the camera label or the in the
documentation. It is recognizable by is format, a sequence of two
numbers or letters followed by : between the pairs.

Camera instructions (You have the Wired Version)
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/BLC1A.PDF
  #6  
Old April 18th 13, 10:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Tom Biasi
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Default Cam Setup

On 4/18/2013 11:48 AM, BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.


I don't know your products but your router should give the cam an IP
address using DHCP, or you can manually assign the address from one of
the private address pools.Your software would need to see the address
and display the cam output. If you want to see the cam over the internet
you may need to port forward configure the router.

Tom
  #7  
Old April 18th 13, 11:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Tom Biasi
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Default Cam Setup

On 4/18/2013 11:48 AM, BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.


I don't know your products but your router should give the cam an IP
address using DHCP, or you can manually assign the address from one of
the private address pools.Your software would need to see the address
and display the cam output. If you want to see the cam over the internet
you may need to port forward configure the router.

Tom
  #8  
Old April 19th 13, 01:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
(PeteCresswell)
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Default Cam Setup

Per BeeJ:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep
failing.


Typically an IP camera has it's own web page which you can use to set it
up.

To get to the page, find out the cam's address on your network (a
utility called "NetScan" is one way....)

Then type that address, followed by port 80 into your browser window.

e.g. if the cam's addr were 192.168.3.200, you would type
http://192.168.3.200:80 into your browser.

That will get you to a rendering of what the camera sees and, probably,
to some setup options.

One problem is going to be making sure it winds up with the same IP addr
every time it's connected. With no intervention on your part, your
router will assign it an address each time it's connected.

What you want to do is tell the router to always assign it a certain
address. You *could* tell the camera to always take a certain address,
but you have to go into the router anyhow (below) if you want to get to
the camera from outside your home.

The task is telling the router to do something called "Port Forwarding"
to port 80 of the camera's address. Track down one of your techie
neighbors or work colleagues. It's not rocket science, but you can
spend hours groping around if you come at it cold.


Once you have the router doing the Port Forwarding thing, you can get to
it from outside your home by typing your home's IP address followed by
the port into a browser. e.g. http://108.16.41.19:80

Type "www.ipchicken.com" into your browser while at home to see your
home's current IP address.

"Current" because it will probably change every time you turn the router
off and then on again.

This leads us to the last step: getting an unchanging IP address.
To do this, you register with any number of freebie services that will
let you pick a name (e.g. JimJones.DynDNS.org) and associate it with
your current IP address. Once you've done that, you can either set
your router or your home PC to keep refreshing that address and you can
get at the camera from afar via http://JimJones.DynDNS.org:80.

Again, find that techie and have him lead you through this.
--
Pete Cresswell
  #9  
Old April 19th 13, 02:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Ben Myers[_8_]
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Default Cam Setup

"BeeJ" wrote in message ...
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.
I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep
failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.
Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do
that?
Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.
Any help or terminology to study please.


If you don't want to use uPnP, you have find out what port number and IP address
the camera is using and configure your router to forward it appropriately.

page 41 on
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/BLC1A.PDF

page 52 on
http://www.ampedwireless.com/datashe...UsersGuide.pdf

If you want a fixed IP address, contact your ISP. Mine assigns residential customers
dynamically and only gives fixed addresses to businesses. Practically speaking, my
IP address only changes when my cable modem gets unplugged or loses power, and
when that happens, I just reconfigure everything with my new IP address.

Ben
  #10  
Old April 19th 13, 03:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
pjp[_9_]
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Default Cam Setup

In article , says...

I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep
failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do
that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.


What exactly do you want to do? There's lots of options

a) stream live to the web
b) stream to local pcs on home network
c) timed snapshots to web
d) timed snapshots to local pcs

are a few options

I've never done "a" & "c" but "b" and "d" are pretty straight forward if
memory serves me right.
  #11  
Old April 20th 13, 03:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
BeeJ
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Default Cam Setup

charlie wrote on 4/18/2013 :
On 4/18/2013 11:48 AM, BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.




Set the camera to a address within the routers address space
If the router's DHCP service works, you should not have to do this.
You indicated that the router uses 128.168.3.xxx as the address space?
The first three numbers are dependent upon the router, and the last may be
the default camera address. (Many routers use 192.168.0.xxx)
It's important to know the routers address space, and how to setup the router
to allow/disallow access to specific addresses.
You did not identify the make and model of the router, so specific advice
cannot be given.
Within the address space, you may have other devices (P/Cs, Printers, etc.
that are assigned addresses, either static or dynamic addresses.
Assignment of static addresses is normally done outside the address space
used of dynamic addressing.
Mfr's software often uses an address scheme that is different than the IP
address. This address may be shown on the camera label or the in the
documentation. It is recognizable by is format, a sequence of two numbers or
letters followed by : between the pairs.

Camera instructions (You have the Wired Version)
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/BLC1A.PDF


I did but again
Router is a Amped R20000G.


  #12  
Old April 20th 13, 04:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
BeeJ
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Posts: 176
Default Cam Setup

pjp submitted this idea :
In article , says...

I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update.

I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly
to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep
failing.
The install software and docs are not easily understood by me.

Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web
server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP
address so I can access the cam from anywhere.
But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that
true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do
that?

Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP
address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass
communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do
that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253.

Any help or terminology to study please.


What exactly do you want to do? There's lots of options

a) stream live to the web
b) stream to local pcs on home network
c) timed snapshots to web
d) timed snapshots to local pcs

are a few options

I've never done "a" & "c" but "b" and "d" are pretty straight forward if
memory serves me right.


Well, all of the above, but snapshots c & d would be fine.
I would like to see the cam while home and away.


 




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