Javascript is enabled but it does not work.

"Ken Blake" wrote

"Emrys Davies" wrote:


| Your Avast spam is back again!

If I remember correctly, this is another alias of
"Arlen Holder". I have it blocked in my blocked
senders list, along with 3 versions of Arlen Holder.
(He's recently changed the details of his name
and email address twice, in order to thwart filters.)

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 13:08:15 -0000, "Emrys Davies"
wrote:


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Emrys Davies wrote:

No, I have never knowingly used Java

Uninstall Java until if and when you encounter a site that demands it
whereupon you can decide whether to kowtow to that site's requirement.

I have uninstalled Java . Thanks.



Nowadays the only place where Java via web browser is needed is within
corporate environments where they use and deploy Java applets. However,
even then, you don't need the Java plug-in. Instead of use the Java app
manager/launcher (aka Java Web Start) that manages downloading of Java
apps, version changes in the applets, and runs the applet using the
local Java interpreter (not a browser plug-in). The local Java manager
communicates with an applet server to check version, authentication,
incremental updates, and local execution. With the plug-in, Java
applets got passed out of the web browser to the Java interpreter. A
plug-in is not needed since the web browser can still pass an applet to
an external handler (the Java interpreter) by using a protocol
specifier.

Eventually Oracle is dropping their Java Web Start client-side
manager/launcher. I don't know if they are replacing it with something
else or if this is Oracle recognizing that Java is a dying programming
language (and why I equated Java with a newer kin to COBOL with both
lasting long after getting supplanted with later technologies).
Microsoft tried to compete with Sun by adding their own MSJava
interpreter but that quickly failed. Microsoft decided to get into
webapps but did so very late with their Silverlight which never caught
on and died sooner than did Java. It's like Microsoft's XPS document
format and printer driver in Windows that was their attempt to supplant
Adobe's PDF, and which was another Microsoft failure. The wanted into a
market, got into it very late, the market died, and Microsoft had to
shake the poop off their shoes. Although Microsoft published XPS to be
an open document standard, no one else adopted it because no one used it
(yes, there were a few but who cares about a few firecrackers going off
next to an atomic blast). It appears Oracle has now realized that Java
will die, too.

Oracle is more of a software publisher than a software developer. They
will contact programming services to update or modify their software
(often acquired from elsewhere) only when needed. Customers lament the
poor support from Oracle. We had an enterprise application that was
better than a competitor's. Then Oracle acquired the competitor's
product and we literally had a celebration party knowing disgruntled
customers would migrate to us (which did happen) to become gruntled
customers with us due to far superior technical support along with a
better product at a cheaper price. The competitor getting acquired by
Oracle was good for our business. As another example, Sun declared that
Java would always be open source. Oracle made the same promise after
acquiring Sun but then sued Google due to use of Java in the Android
operating system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle...v._Google,_Inc.

I was surprised Google didn't simply argue that while the Sun version of
Java was the de facto standard implementation that there were several
other authors of the Java programming language. I remember IBM having
their own flavor but was not privy to any licensing that may have
existed between IBM and Sun, if any, regarding Java, especially since at
the time Java was open source.

I haven't been involved with Java since sometime around 2001, so I'm not
interested in delving into how much long Java will survive or what might
replace or already has replaced their Java Web Start. Java Web Start
was really an enterprise solution to managing corporate Java apps. Now
it seems Oracle is advocating that developers produce stand-along Java
app; i.e., you download them yourself and then pass them onto the Java
interpreter.

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/j...ol-135779.html

This seems to promote developers from stopping the creation of Java
applets to instead producing Java applications.

All the Java plug-in did was pass the Java applet to the JRE, anyway,
where the applet ran outside of the browser. Java Web Start was
available several years before the plug-in got deprecated and then made
impossible to use in web browsers that dropped the insecure plug-in
model.




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Your Avast spam is back again!

I had disabled it and now I found that it is back again. I went to its Menu
again Settings un-ticked relevant box Clicked OK. We will see what
happens now.

Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote

"Emrys Davies" wrote:

| Your Avast spam is back again!

If I remember correctly, this is another alias of
"Arlen Holder". I have it blocked in my blocked
senders list, along with 3 versions of Arlen Holder.
(He's recently changed the details of his name
and email address twice, in order to thwart filters.)

I only know of this nym of 'Arlen Holder':

Tomos Davies

And 'Emrys Davies' is posting from [News.]individual.net. I doubt it
very much that 'Arlen Holder' would use a *pay* server, because he wants
to get everything for 'free'.

Emrys Davies wrote:

Your Avast spam is back again!

I had disabled it and now I found that it is back again. I went to its
Menu again Settings un-ticked relevant box Clicked OK. We will
see what happens now.

When software is re-installed, or there is a major version
update, the settings can be reset.

It's not necessarily easy to see this, if the software is
sneaky in any case.

Paul

On 11/8/18 5:22 PM, Emrys Davies wrote:

[snip]

The clock is definitely working now and it seconds update

Someone once told me that the primary purpose of having a clock show
seconds is to make it easier to tell if it's working.

BTW, no one said anything about "don't use document.all". I wrote this
several years ago, an wanted something that would work on MSIE 4
(because I wanted to).

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http://notstupid.us/

"The true contrast between science and myth is more nearly touched when
we say that science alone is capable of verification." [George Santayana
(1863-1952), "The Life of Reason" (1905-1906)]

On 11/8/18 8:35 AM, Emrys Davies wrote:

[snip]

Rendered page: https://imgur.com/a/HbOvNnD

I opened this URL and it said:Â* JavaScript is required to upload to imgur

Upload? When you just wanted to look at it. There's no real need for a
site to require Javascript for that.

Anyway, It's "Nov 8, 2018 8:18:38 AM" in large green letters on a light
yellow background.

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http://notstupid.us/

"The true contrast between science and myth is more nearly touched when
we say that science alone is capable of verification." [George Santayana
(1863-1952), "The Life of Reason" (1905-1906)]

On 11/8/18 9:36 AM, Paul wrote:

[snip]

Go back and run Marks "clockie" test.

Â*Â* http://notstupid.us/clox/clockie.html

The name is because it was made for use with IE.

Tell us whether you see a digital clock with 1 second updates, or

you still see some message about some file.

"Document.all" is not a file, but a (deprecated) part of Javascript.
It's use here was to make something that would work on a very early
version of IE (v4).

[snip]
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Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The true contrast between science and myth is more nearly touched when
we say that science alone is capable of verification." [George Santayana
(1863-1952), "The Life of Reason" (1905-1906)]

On 11/8/18 1:23 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Emrys Davies wrote:

VanguardLH wrote ...

Rendered page: https://imgur.com/a/HbOvNnD

I opened this URL and it said: JavaScript is required to upload to imgur

You don't have a second web browser to check or visit the problematic
sites? IE will fail on some sites. Some sites refuse to allow connects
from ancient web browsers, like at banks or e-stores, including IE.
HTML5 has been adopted by most sites, so IE won't well behave there.
You need a newer web browser to use either as a backup browser or as the
primary browser with IE as the backup. Continuing use of an archaic web
browser will have you encounter other problems.

I have several other clock pages (although that was the simplest).
Except for that one, they are made for modern browsers (usually NOT
Microsoft's).

http://notstupid.us/clox

I see you have decided to continue letting Avast spamify your posts.

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46 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The true contrast between science and myth is more nearly touched when
we say that science alone is capable of verification." [George Santayana
(1863-1952), "The Life of Reason" (1905-1906)]

"Mark Lloyd" wrote

| BTW, no one said anything about "don't use document.all". I wrote this
| several years ago, an wanted something that would work on MSIE 4
| (because I wanted to).
|

document.all is inefficient redundancy. We
got into a debate about a similar thing in a scripting
group recently: document.GetElementById.

A lot of people are used to using those but
they actually serve no purpose. Neither one
makes any sense. It just references the document
object and its collection of tags for no reason.
clock itself (if set as ID) is a referrable object.

In other words, once you've assigned an ID, that's
a top-level object, just like document. If you assign
multiple IDs the same then you can access them
by index. That works in all browsers.

Mayayana wrote:

If I remember correctly, this is another alias of "Arlen Holder". I
have it blocked in my blocked senders list, along with 3 versions of
Arlen Holder. (He's recently changed the details of his name and
email address twice, in order to thwart filters.)

For Emrys to be Arlen means Arlen changed from posting through mixmin to
using individual.net which also means switching from a free to paid
service. Changing from an free anonymizing sewage source to a different
provider that must be paid to use them isn't likely.

Could be a sock puppet for Arlen when she doesn't want to be recognized
as a troll. Using a registered Usenet provider, and a paid one, means
Arlen's sock puppet would be subject to abuse reports. Arlen cannot be
bumped from mixmin or at any non-registering provider (e.g., AIOE). I'm
not familiar with all the German laws but suspect if the law wanted to
follow the money to discover who was Emrys, or perhaps even sending
individual.net a letter of intent from an attorney, then Emrys could be
found. I pay individual.net and really don't expect to hide from them
or from the law.

I filter out the mixmin sourced posts. The vast majority of posts
submitted through there is sewage, so I don't see Arlen's posts. After
several years of seeing AIOElians get corrupted, I also filter out AIOE
posts. First I colorized them to warn me, then I filtered them out when
that populace became too tainted. A provider that doesn't require
registration to use them attracts the worst posters. I also filter out
Google Groupers. Not only does it attract spammers, scammers, forgers,
trolls, malcontents, and peuriles but also attracts uber boobs who were
weaned on web browers or who can barely manage to figure out how to use
a web browser much less an NNTP client.

If Arlen is still posting through mixmin, my filters still work. If
Arlen moved to using a sock puppet on individual.net, well, he's paying
for using that source, he can be reported for abuse, and he can be
exposed (follow the money).

A troll that goes from free to paid? Not likely. Got any better
evidence? Even if Emrys was a nice sock puppet of Arlen, well, you
don't have to deal with Arlen's troll side.

Mark Lloyd wrote:

Emrys Davies wrote:

Rendered page: https://imgur.com/a/HbOvNnD

I opened this URL and it said:* JavaScript is required to upload to imgur

Upload? When you just wanted to look at it. There's no real need for a
site to require Javascript for that.

In Internet Explorer 11 with Javascript enabled, I see the pic at the
imgur site (that I previously uploaded).

With Javascript disabled, I only see a black placeholder where the pic
should appear. Javascript is required to see the pic. However, I do
NOT get a "Javascript is required ..." prompt. I don't get any prompt.
I only see the black placeholder for the pic.

"VanguardLH" wrote

| A troll that goes from free to paid? Not likely. Got any better
| evidence?

I'm not certain. I block 3 versions of Arlen. Recently
I remember he started using a different name. And
for a reason I don't recall I've recently blocked
.

So I thought that was probably Arlen. Then there's the
fact that Frank knows of an Arlen alias with the same
last name: Davies.

I should keep a list of why I block people. Some I
remember clearly. Some I don't. Since I don't see
Emrys Davies posts I don't see all of this thread,
but from what I can see it looks like he's leading
people on a long wild goose chase.

"VanguardLH" wrote

| In Internet Explorer 11 with Javascript enabled, I see the pic at the
| imgur site (that I previously uploaded).
|
| With Javascript disabled, I only see a black placeholder where the pic
| should appear. Javascript is required to see the pic. However, I do
| NOT get a "Javascript is required ..." prompt. I don't get any prompt.
| I only see the black placeholder for the pic.

Very weird. imgur used to be one of the clean,
no-nonsense image hosts. The image is listed in
the page as this, in the header:

link rel="image_src" href="https://i.imgur.com/wWItH4D.jpg"/

Which is invalid HTML. There's no "image-src" option for
the rel attribute. It's also referred to in a DIV
with a wacky itemtype attribute:

div id="wWItH4D" class="post-image-container" itemscope
itemtype="http://schema.org/ImageObject"

Apparently script cleans that up when the page loads.

The kicker is that even though their page is broken
and faulty and script-dependent, they still added a
noscript tag to load a Googletagmanager iframe. They
won't let you see the page without script, but they're still
careful to track your visit if you enable frames and don't
block googletagmanager.com in your HOSTS file.

"Paul" wrote in message
news
Emrys Davies wrote:

Your Avast spam is back again!

I had disabled it and now I found that it is back again. I went to its
Menu again Settings un-ticked relevant box Clicked OK. We will
see what happens now.

When software is re-installed, or there is a major version
update, the settings can be reset.

It's not necessarily easy to see this, if the software is
sneaky in any case.

Paul


Sometimes I use 'Restart' to make sure that a disable or enable is
definitely effective. Could that cause a reset rather than reinforcing the
desired action?

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On 11/8/18 8:35 AM, Emrys Davies wrote:

[snip]

Rendered page: https://imgur.com/a/HbOvNnD

I opened this URL and it said: JavaScript is required to upload to imgur

Upload? When you just wanted to look at it. There's no real need for a
site to require Javascript for that.

Anyway, It's "Nov 8, 2018 8:18:38 AM" in large green letters on a light
yellow background.

Yes, that worked just like you explained: https://imgur.com/a/HbOvNnD



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46 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1
day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The true contrast between science and myth is more nearly touched when
we say that science alone is capable of verification." [George Santayana
(1863-1952), "The Life of Reason" (1905-1906)]