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I rarely move/copy files across networks, so I'm not that familiar with
file sharing 'rules'. Long ago, I used to use NetBEUI and a hub g. Yesterday I needed to move about 10GB of files from one machine A (XP Pro) to machine B (XP). I have a wireless router with SSID "codenine". Machine A connects to codenine wirelessly, and macnine B is hardwired to the router. Once I changed the workgroup setting on both machines to "codenine", we could see each other. Then I set up sharing. I thought that if on machine A, I set C:\ to share, I'd be able to see all of the folders on machine A, from machine B. I mean ALL the folders (and files on partition C, not just the folders/files one level down. But that wasn't the case. I could see certain folders, but not all. What I wanted to see was all of the folders in Documents and Settings\My Documents, such as My Music, My Pictures, etc, but I couldn't by just sharing C:\. I had to set sharing on My Documents and Settings. Microsoft tells me: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304040 "Through the Simple File Sharing UI, you can configure both share and NTFS file system permissions at the folder level. These permissions apply to the folder, all the files in that folder, subfolders, and all the files in the subfolders." This seems to be inconsistent with what I experienced. What am I doing wrong or misunderstanding? Thanks. |
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Boris wrote in
: I rarely move/copy files across networks, so I'm not that familiar with file sharing 'rules'. Long ago, I used to use NetBEUI and a hub g. Yesterday I needed to move about 10GB of files from one machine A (XP Pro) to machine B (XP). What is more important here is whether "Simple File Sharing" is enabled or disabled. Assuming machine B is XP-Home, then simple file sharing is Enabled by policy. Since machine A is XP Pro, double-click any folder, then Tools-Folder Options-View. Simple File Sharing will be the last item on the list. [...] I thought that if on machine A, I set C:\ to share, I'd be able to see all of the folders on machine A, from machine B. I mean ALL the folders (and files on partition C, not just the folders/files one level down. But that wasn't the case. This could be a true statement *if* Simple File Sharing is Disabled on machine A. In which case, you authenticate to the server by username and password and then have rights on machine A as if you were that user on that machine. I could see certain folders, but not all. What I wanted to see was all of the folders in Documents and Settings\My Documents, such as My Music, My Pictures, etc, but I couldn't by just sharing C:\. I had to set sharing on My Documents and Settings. Microsoft tells me: "How to configure file sharing in Windows XP" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304040 "Through the Simple File Sharing UI, you can configure both share and NTFS file system permissions at the folder level. These permissions apply to the folder, all the files in that folder, subfolders, and all the files in the subfolders." This seems to be inconsistent with what I experienced. You just didn't read far enough. With Simple File Sharing Enabled, every network-connected user authenticates as the user "Guest" on the file serving system. The table below "Managing levels of access to shares and to files" indicates that "Everyone (Share)" (which is what the "Guest" user is), can only access Level 4 and Level 5 files/folders. Then it goes on to say: "By default, files that are stored in "My Documents" are at Level 2". So a Guest user cannot access any files or folders directly in the "My Documents" folder. As soon as any file/folder not at level 4 or 5 is reached, access will be denied. This also applies to the Windows folder and Program Files folders. Recommendation: Disable Simple File Sharing on machine A and create identical username / password logins on both machines. Then, if you share the C: drive on machine A, you will have access to all files accessible by your username from machine B. "How to disable simple file sharing and how to set permissions on a shared folder in Windows XP" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307874 HTH, John |
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John Wunderlich wrote in
: Boris wrote in : I rarely move/copy files across networks, so I'm not that familiar with file sharing 'rules'. Long ago, I used to use NetBEUI and a hub g. Yesterday I needed to move about 10GB of files from one machine A (XP Pro) to machine B (XP). What is more important here is whether "Simple File Sharing" is enabled or disabled. Assuming machine B is XP-Home, then simple file sharing is Enabled by policy. Since machine A is XP Pro, double-click any folder, then Tools-Folder Options-View. Simple File Sharing will be the last item on the list. [...] I thought that if on machine A, I set C:\ to share, I'd be able to see all of the folders on machine A, from machine B. I mean ALL the folders (and files on partition C, not just the folders/files one level down. But that wasn't the case. This could be a true statement *if* Simple File Sharing is Disabled on machine A. In which case, you authenticate to the server by username and password and then have rights on machine A as if you were that user on that machine. I could see certain folders, but not all. What I wanted to see was all of the folders in Documents and Settings\My Documents, such as My Music, My Pictures, etc, but I couldn't by just sharing C:\. I had to set sharing on My Documents and Settings. Microsoft tells me: "How to configure file sharing in Windows XP" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304040 "Through the Simple File Sharing UI, you can configure both share and NTFS file system permissions at the folder level. These permissions apply to the folder, all the files in that folder, subfolders, and all the files in the subfolders." This seems to be inconsistent with what I experienced. You just didn't read far enough. With Simple File Sharing Enabled, every network-connected user authenticates as the user "Guest" on the file serving system. The table below "Managing levels of access to shares and to files" indicates that "Everyone (Share)" (which is what the "Guest" user is), can only access Level 4 and Level 5 files/folders. Then it goes on to say: "By default, files that are stored in "My Documents" are at Level 2". So a Guest user cannot access any files or folders directly in the "My Documents" folder. As soon as any file/folder not at level 4 or 5 is reached, access will be denied. This also applies to the Windows folder and Program Files folders. Recommendation: Disable Simple File Sharing on machine A and create identical username / password logins on both machines. Then, if you share the C: drive on machine A, you will have access to all files accessible by your username from machine B. "How to disable simple file sharing and how to set permissions on a shared folder in Windows XP" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307874 HTH, John Yes, that was very helpful. And you're right, I just didn't read far enough, esp. Simple File Sharing. Both machines have, by default I guess, have an Administrator account, and a Guest account. I am the only user on both, and my user name on both is "Dad". When I start up either machine, I'm never asked for a user name or password. Once the desktop comes up on either machine, if I click Start, I see "Dad" in the upper left side of the pop up Start menu. On the XP Pro machine A, once the screen saver comes on, when I shake the mouse (or hit any key) to get back to my desktop, I'm presented with the Dad icon, and all I have to do is hit the Enter key to get back to my desktop. On the XP Home machine B, once the screen saver comes on, when I shake the mouse (or hit any key) to get back to my desktop, I get right back to my desktop. Question...What I'm saying is that I have no passwords set up. Do I need to set up passwords to accomplish what you've laid out, or am I ok, since each machine can see the other on the network, and all I need to do at this point is to follow file sharing set up rules? Thanks again. |
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Recommendation: Disable Simple File Sharing on machine A and create
identical username / password logins on both machines. Then, if you share the C: drive on machine A, you will have access to all files accessible by your username from machine B. Hmmm that is an interesting scenario. I may try and see how that works on my confused laptop. I had recently had set logon passwords on my desktop and laptop in an effort to gain better lan shared security. It worked great going from my desktop to my laptop, asks for my password when I try to access a share just like clockwork. However if I try to access the desktop on my laptop it baulks and gives an Access Denied msg. Have not ever been able to figure out why. Maybe I will try the same identical user/pswd thing and see. |
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Boris wrote in
: Both machines have, by default I guess, have an Administrator account, and a Guest account. I am the only user on both, and my user name on both is "Dad". When I start up either machine, I'm never asked for a user name or password. Once the desktop comes up on either machine, if I click Start, I see "Dad" in the upper left side of the pop up Start menu. On the XP Pro machine A, once the screen saver comes on, when I shake the mouse (or hit any key) to get back to my desktop, I'm presented with the Dad icon, and all I have to do is hit the Enter key to get back to my desktop. On the XP Home machine B, once the screen saver comes on, when I shake the mouse (or hit any key) to get back to my desktop, I get right back to my desktop. Question...What I'm saying is that I have no passwords set up. Do I need to set up passwords to accomplish what you've laid out, or am I ok, since each machine can see the other on the network, and all I need to do at this point is to follow file sharing set up rules? With Simple File Sharing disabled, authentication when connecting to a remote server goes something like this: If a user name exists on the remote machine that matches the currently logged-in username on the local machine, then if the passwords are the same you are granted access on the remote machine as that user. If the passwords are different, then you are denied access. If there is no username on the remote machine that matches the local logged-in username, then a dialog is displayed requesting a username and password that is recognized on the remote server. Somewhere I remember reading that Administrator access is not permitted with a blank password in a Domain environment. I'm not sure if this applies to the at-home more common Workgroup environment. I would guess that "Dad" accounts on both machines with blank passwords should work. If blank passwords on both machines work and you are OK with that, then stick with it. As an alternative, you can assign a user password that is the same on both machines and use "TweakUI" to set up "Autologon" with that password on both machines if you prefer not to enter a password. HTH, John |
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"RB" NoMail@NoSpam wrote in
: I had recently had set logon passwords on my desktop and laptop in an effort to gain better lan shared security. It worked great going from my desktop to my laptop, asks for my password when I try to access a share just like clockwork. Assuming Simple File Sharing is disabled, asking for username/password indicates that the user you are logged onto on the desktop does not match a username on the laptop. Otherwise, it would grant you access if your passwords matched or deny if they didn't. However if I try to access the desktop [machine] on [from?] my laptop it baulks and gives an Access Denied msg. Have not ever been able to figure out why. Maybe I will try the same identical user/pswd thing and see. If the same username exists on the desktop as you are logged on to on the laptop and the passwords mismatch, then you will be immediately denied. You can use a command-line command to specify login credentials different from your current logged-in name/pass. Assuming your desktop machine is named "desktopbox", then the following command line entered on the laptop should connect you to it using the username/password credentials on desktopbox: net use \\desktopbox\ipc$ /user:desktopbox\username password The easier way would be to make usernames and passwords identical on both machines. HTH, John |
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Assuming Simple File Sharing is disabled, asking for
username/password indicates that the user you are logged onto on the desktop does not match a username on the laptop. Otherwise, it would grant you access if your passwords matched or deny if they didn't. I'm not sure if you understood me, I do not get a chance to type in passwords or usernames, as soon as I click on the sharename (where it shows up in the tree of My Networks places) I get the access denied msg. This is only when trying to access my Desktop from my Laptop. The reverse scenario works flawlessly. net use \\desktopbox\ipc$ /user:desktopbox\username password Hmmm when I tried the above Net returned a syntax err msg. I tried every conceivable scenario I could imagine but same result. In the help lists it speaks of Domains in this scenario but I don't have a server / domain but only a peer to peer workgroup. The easier way would be to make usernames and passwords identical on both machines. I have to run an errand now but when I get back I will try this and get back with you. |
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The easier way would be to make usernames and passwords identical on
both machines. This doesn't help same thing, Access Denied, before I am even allowed to type anything in as soon as I click on shared name folder. It would appear I am doomed to return to Simple File&Print sharing (at least that did work before) and give up passwords. |
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"RB" NoMail@NoSpam wrote in
: Assuming Simple File Sharing is disabled, asking for username/password indicates that the user you are logged onto on the desktop does not match a username on the laptop. Otherwise, it would grant you access if your passwords matched or deny if they didn't. I'm not sure if you understood me, I do not get a chance to type in passwords or usernames, as soon as I click on the sharename (where it shows up in the tree of My Networks places) I get the access denied msg. This is only when trying to access my Desktop from my Laptop. The reverse scenario works flawlessly. This usually happens when the user names match on both machines but the passwords don't. It might also happen if the password is blank. net use \\desktopbox\ipc$ /user:desktopbox\username password Hmmm when I tried the above Net returned a syntax err msg. It would be nice to get past the syntax error returned here as the error returned is sometimes more helpful. I am assuming that there is an administrative share "ipc$". Try substituting your share name for ipc$. Also pay attention to slashes vs back-slashes. (There should only be one forward slash). Strictly speaking, the password belongs between the share and the /user. Try the following: net use * \\desktopbox\c password /user:desktopbox\username to see if we can get past the syntax error. I tried every conceivable scenario I could imagine but same result. In the help lists it speaks of Domains in this scenario but I don't have a server / domain but only a peer to peer workgroup. Authenticating is to the remote computer, not a domain. So we should be able to replace the domain name with the computer name. You can also try leaving the computer name out as in: net use * \\desktopbox\c password /user:username HTH, John |
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"RB" NoMail@NoSpam wrote in
: The easier way would be to make usernames and passwords identical on both machines. This doesn't help same thing, Access Denied, before I am even allowed to type anything in as soon as I click on shared name folder. It would appear I am doomed to return to Simple File&Print sharing (at least that did work before) and give up passwords. One other thing comes to mind. Perhaps no sharing access is granted. On the machine you're trying to connect to, right-click on the folder that you have shared and are trying to connect to from the other machine. Then select Properties - Sharing (Tab) - Permissions Then make sure that your user name or "Everyone" appears in the top box. Click on it and verify that some permissions have been granted in the "Allow" column in the lower window. If not, you may need to add permissions in this window. HTH, John |
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I think maybe one thing I am not doing right.
net use * \\desktopbox\c password /user:username what is the difference between user and username ? In my scenario I have the following computername which is Desktop1 and RB.Laptop usernames (also users) which are DesktopRB and Owner.RB workgroup RB_HOME |
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"RB" NoMail@NoSpam wrote in news:ufD3JWNvKHA.812
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: I think maybe one thing I am not doing right. net use * \\desktopbox\c password /user:username what is the difference between user and username ? In my scenario I have the following computername which is Desktop1 and RB.Laptop usernames (also users) which are DesktopRB and Owner.RB workgroup RB_HOME "user:" is literal. "username" should be replaced with your username. In your case, on the laptop you would type: net use * \\Desktop1\c password /useresktop1\DesktopRB or net use * \\Desktop1\c password /useresktopRB Assuming the share name on Desktop1 is "c" and "DesktopRB"'s password on Desktop1 is "password". If you leave "password" out and the password is non-blank, it should come back and ask for your password. HTH, John |
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