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  #61  
Old December 14th 06, 11:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Wesley Vogel
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I read the individual messages in the threads that I see in the order in
which they were posted. I read the messages individually if they all exist.
If all of the messages do not exist, I read as much as I can in the messages
that do exist and then read whatever else in the replies that have not been
snipped.

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In ,
Gordon hunted and pecked:
Wesley Vogel wrote:

My whole point was that top posting is all a
matter of personal choice.


So you read books, magazines and newspapers from the bottom up? Cool!


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  #62  
Old December 14th 06, 11:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
John John
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Gordon wrote:

Wesley Vogel wrote:


My whole point was that top posting is all a
matter of personal choice.



So you read books, magazines and newspapers from the bottom up? Cool!


And you re-read every post down to the bottom to find out what the
poster has to add? Or maybe when you engage in a discussion the one who
speaks has to repeat everything that was said previously before he adds
his point of view? These groups are also called "discussion" groups,
posting on top has a more natural flow to the discussion.

It's a tempest in a teapot, the only thing worse than top/bottom posting
nagging are sermons from reformed alcoholics, ex-smokers and born again
Christians!

John
  #63  
Old December 15th 06, 12:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Wes

You left out the bit they should have said but did not.


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"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
...
I read the individual messages in the threads that I see in the order
in
which they were posted. I read the messages individually if they all
exist.
If all of the messages do not exist, I read as much as I can in the
messages
that do exist and then read whatever else in the replies that have not
been
snipped.

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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In ,
Gordon hunted and pecked:
Wesley Vogel wrote:

My whole point was that top posting is all a
matter of personal choice.


So you read books, magazines and newspapers from the bottom up? Cool!




  #64  
Old December 15th 06, 12:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Well some read from right to left. Who am I
to say they should not.


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"Gordon" wrote in message
...
Tom Willett wrote:

Apples and oranges, you netnanny troll.


So you read books, magazines and newspapers from the bottom up as
well?
Cool!




  #65  
Old December 15th 06, 12:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Wes

I missed out three words in that post. It was meant to say:

The previous message in the thread in Outlook Express
is above not below.

Not to worry they carried on fighting each other.

Actually are news readers off topic in this newsgroup?



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Snipped.


  #66  
Old December 15th 06, 12:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Wes

Doesn't work within a single conversation. Is that
contrary to some obscure Usenet convention?

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"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
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Click the Sent header to sort the other direction. ;-)



  #67  
Old December 15th 06, 12:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Was the year by any chance 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

Just a thought.


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"Leythos" wrote in message
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If Usenet has not changed in that 20 years, and the only real change
is
the introduction of Usenet clients that don't follow the
norms/standards, then isn't the problem really the broken clients?






  #68  
Old December 15th 06, 03:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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Ken

I flag posts and have a good memory for what has passed.. if it has been
awhile, I read back


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
Ken

I always look at the post directly preceding, assuming that I do not
have to scroll down much.. I also tend to read all threads in a bid
to ascertain what has been suggested already.. kind of like starting
at page one..



Many newsgroup participants, including me, do not view already-read
messages. They are no longer there to see, so I do not have the choice of
looking at the previous messages in the thread. If I chose to set my
newsreader to view already -read messages, I would have far more messages
to have to scroll through each day, and it would take me much longer to do
so. I'm not interested in doing that.


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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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Wesley Vogel wrote:

I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially
on long threads with all of the replies included.



I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on
long threads with all of the replies included.

I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out
what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up
to read the reply.

The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with
whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming
what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots
of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able
to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is
generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the
top or the bottom. --
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup




  #69  
Old December 15th 06, 04:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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Many more threads and this will reach back to 1984.. :-)


"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
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Was the year by any chance 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

Just a thought.


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"Leythos" wrote in message
...
If Usenet has not changed in that 20 years, and the only real change is
the introduction of Usenet clients that don't follow the
norms/standards, then isn't the problem really the broken clients?







  #70  
Old December 15th 06, 10:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gordon
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John John wrote:


And you re-read every post down to the bottom to find out what the
poster has to add?


No, but if the poser QUOTES as per Usenet custom, they quote the question
first and the reply underneath, so you read the QUESTION first, and the
REPLY second.


Answer: because it's illogical


Question: Why is top posting not cool?


See?



  #71  
Old December 15th 06, 10:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gordon
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Gerry Cornell wrote:

Well some read from right to left. Who am I
to say they should not.



Now who's doing apples and oranges? they STILL read top to bottom, NOT
bottom to top.
I sure hope you don't audit bottom to top......


  #72  
Old December 15th 06, 11:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Mike

Leythos

Circa 470 BC might be more like it!

Middle figure in section under Ancient Greece:
http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q...-US&FORM=CVRE2

Quite obscure.

Remember people at that time thought the world was flat!
Top posting to one steeped in the traditions of the past
must be like sailing past the Pillars of Hercules to a Greek
mariner of that time.

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"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in
message ...
Many more threads and this will reach back to 1984.. :-)



"Leythos" wrote in message
...
If Usenet has not changed in that 20 years, and the only real change
is
the introduction of Usenet clients that don't follow the
norms/standards, then isn't the problem really the broken clients?









  #73  
Old December 29th 06, 06:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Stan Brown
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Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:20:04 -0700 from Wesley Vogel 123WVogel955
@comcast.net:
My whole point was that top, bottom or interspersed posting is all a matter
of personal choice.


Well, yes, and so are many things -- but that does not mean that all
choices are equally valid.

It is a matter of personal choice to smoke or not. Nonetheless it is
rude to smoke among non-smokers without first asking and receiving
permission.


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  #74  
Old December 29th 06, 06:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Stan Brown
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Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:27:48 -0500 from Leythos :
I think the point is that OE and some Web interfaces for Usenet
don't follow the standards that have not change and that the Usenet
service has not change in 20+ years.

What has changed during those 20+ years is the addition of broken
interfaces from MS and web based interfaces (mostly poor interfaces) to
Usenet.

One other thing has change, the addition of people that believe the
world revolves around them and to heck with all of the proper
methods/standards that make this medium easy and consistent.

When this subject path comes up, there is always someone that feels it
is people trying to impose their will on others, when, in reality, it's
just a sign of disrespect for wanting to put ones own desires over the
rest of the communities standards and methods.


aol
Very well put!
/aol

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  #75  
Old December 29th 06, 07:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Stan

Are you saying that in a Microsoft newsgroup subscribers should ask
permission before bottom posting? I can't see that happening!

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Stan Brown wrote:
Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:20:04 -0700 from Wesley Vogel 123WVogel955
@comcast.net:
My whole point was that top, bottom or interspersed posting is all
a
matter of personal choice.


Well, yes, and so are many things -- but that does not mean that all
choices are equally valid.

It is a matter of personal choice to smoke or not. Nonetheless it is
rude to smoke among non-smokers without first asking and receiving
permission.


 




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