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  #16  
Old April 27th 09, 03:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Hey guys, I've tried not 1 but 2 USB extension cables from very
different sources. Same "Hardware Not Found Wizard" with both on boot
up. Possibly both are bad, but first, are there other possible
explanations?

Gene

Jose wrote:

Sounds to me like the problem follows the cable.

Do you have a similar cable to the suspect cable you can try?

Do you have another computer you can plug the suspect cable into to
see what happens?

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Old April 27th 09, 03:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Hey guys, I've tried not 1 but 2 USB extension cables from very
different sources. Same "Hardware Not Found Wizard" with both on boot
up. Possibly both are bad, but first, are there other possible
explanations?

Gene

Jose wrote:

Sounds to me like the problem follows the cable.

Do you have a similar cable to the suspect cable you can try?

Do you have another computer you can plug the suspect cable into to
see what happens?

  #18  
Old April 27th 09, 03:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Tim Meddick
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Gene,
I don't want to fight here, my intention is to help by telling what
I know and then you pick up on what you want. I'm not forcing my opinion on
anyone!
Just to clarify my thoughts on this: I sincerely believe that a USB
cable (especially a simple extension cable) with NOTHING at the end of it
should in NO WAY make your computer behave like there is. That is all there
is to my logic. Nothing 'cleverer' than that, I'm afraid.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

wrote in message
...
Hey guys, I've tried not 1 but 2 USB extension cables from very
different sources. Same "Hardware Not Found Wizard" with both on boot
up. Possibly both are bad, but first, are there other possible
explanations?

Gene

Jose wrote:

Sounds to me like the problem follows the cable.

Do you have a similar cable to the suspect cable you can try?

Do you have another computer you can plug the suspect cable into to
see what happens?



  #19  
Old April 27th 09, 03:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Tim Meddick
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Posts: 1,995
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Gene,
I don't want to fight here, my intention is to help by telling what
I know and then you pick up on what you want. I'm not forcing my opinion on
anyone!
Just to clarify my thoughts on this: I sincerely believe that a USB
cable (especially a simple extension cable) with NOTHING at the end of it
should in NO WAY make your computer behave like there is. That is all there
is to my logic. Nothing 'cleverer' than that, I'm afraid.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.

wrote in message
...
Hey guys, I've tried not 1 but 2 USB extension cables from very
different sources. Same "Hardware Not Found Wizard" with both on boot
up. Possibly both are bad, but first, are there other possible
explanations?

Gene

Jose wrote:

Sounds to me like the problem follows the cable.

Do you have a similar cable to the suspect cable you can try?

Do you have another computer you can plug the suspect cable into to
see what happens?



  #20  
Old April 27th 09, 04:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
No_Name
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

"Tim Meddick" wrote:

Gene,
I don't want to fight here, my intention is to help by telling what
I know and then you pick up on what you want. I'm not forcing my opinion on
anyone!
Just to clarify my thoughts on this: I sincerely believe that a USB
cable (especially a simple extension cable) with NOTHING at the end of it
should in NO WAY make your computer behave like there is. That is all there
is to my logic. Nothing 'cleverer' than that, I'm afraid.


I don't doubt that, Tim. It's that your hunches are jumping beyond
the information provided to improbable explanations.

Gene
  #21  
Old April 27th 09, 04:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
No_Name
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

"Tim Meddick" wrote:

Gene,
I don't want to fight here, my intention is to help by telling what
I know and then you pick up on what you want. I'm not forcing my opinion on
anyone!
Just to clarify my thoughts on this: I sincerely believe that a USB
cable (especially a simple extension cable) with NOTHING at the end of it
should in NO WAY make your computer behave like there is. That is all there
is to my logic. Nothing 'cleverer' than that, I'm afraid.


I don't doubt that, Tim. It's that your hunches are jumping beyond
the information provided to improbable explanations.

Gene
  #22  
Old April 27th 09, 04:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

"Rich/rerat" wrote:

Gene,
My experience is that XP assigns the device to a particular USB port when
first installed. If the device is moved, or another device is placed in the
same USB port, XP must reassign the Port to the new device, and will run the
found hardware wizard. It will find the installed drivers for that device
and reassign the port with those drivers. Or ask for driver installation, if
this is the first time the device is connected to the PC. Sometimes that
takes a few minutes after boot-up.

Sometimes when the USB device is plugged in, a Safely Remove Hardware icon
will appear in the system tray. You need to double click that first, and
turn off the device before removing it the cable attached to the Port. This
will disassociate the device from the port. Important when using digital
cameras, and other devices that frequently get disconnected.


This sounds sensible, but I don't recall what you're describing
having occurred with the camera. I'll have to experiment a bit and get
back here. Thanks.

Gene
  #23  
Old April 27th 09, 04:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
No_Name
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

"Rich/rerat" wrote:

Gene,
My experience is that XP assigns the device to a particular USB port when
first installed. If the device is moved, or another device is placed in the
same USB port, XP must reassign the Port to the new device, and will run the
found hardware wizard. It will find the installed drivers for that device
and reassign the port with those drivers. Or ask for driver installation, if
this is the first time the device is connected to the PC. Sometimes that
takes a few minutes after boot-up.

Sometimes when the USB device is plugged in, a Safely Remove Hardware icon
will appear in the system tray. You need to double click that first, and
turn off the device before removing it the cable attached to the Port. This
will disassociate the device from the port. Important when using digital
cameras, and other devices that frequently get disconnected.


This sounds sensible, but I don't recall what you're describing
having occurred with the camera. I'll have to experiment a bit and get
back here. Thanks.

Gene
  #24  
Old April 27th 09, 04:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Jose
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

On Apr 26, 10:04*pm, wrote:
Hey guys, I've tried not 1 but 2 USB extension cables from very
different sources. Same "Hardware Not Found Wizard" with both on boot
up. Possibly both are bad, but first, are there other possible
explanations?

Gene

Jose wrote:
Sounds to me like the problem follows the cable.


Do you have a similar cable to the suspect cable you can try?


Do you have another computer you can plug the suspect cable into to
see what happens?


There is no Hardware Not Found Wizard, but I know what you mean.

Let's say it is not the cables and it is the computer for a few
minutes.

I asked before to please try to tell us exactly what the messages say,
what the options are, etc. It may seem redundant and frustrating to
you, but now your last post does not match your first, at least in the
wording, so I am getting a little mixed up, or maybe just missing
something.

If you turn on your computer with this cable plugged in and nothing on
the other end of it, you see this exact message. From the available
options, you choose to... We are quite blind, so words are
important. Just get it down to one cable. I agree that it is
unlikely that two cable are going to be bad. They only have 4 wires.

What are the details (part number, manufacture) of your USB extension
cable? I would like to look it up if I can.

Have you tried the cables on another XP computer? If there is no
problem, we can say it is not the cables and we won't have to talk
about cables anymore..

What Windows XP Service Pack are you running?

If you have not done so, please download, update the database and run
a full scan with Malwarebytes MBAM free product. No matter what other
anti-whatever program you already have, please tell us you did this
part.

I also asked before to look in the Device Manager for any yellow
question marks, red X errors, etc. Have you done that but forgotten
to post your findings from Device Manager? Maybe we skipped that
step, but if there is an error there, we need to fix it. Could be the
whole problem!

Another thing to do while you are in Device Manager is to choose to
Scan for new hardware, just to see what it says.

  #25  
Old April 27th 09, 04:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Jose
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

On Apr 26, 10:04*pm, wrote:
Hey guys, I've tried not 1 but 2 USB extension cables from very
different sources. Same "Hardware Not Found Wizard" with both on boot
up. Possibly both are bad, but first, are there other possible
explanations?

Gene

Jose wrote:
Sounds to me like the problem follows the cable.


Do you have a similar cable to the suspect cable you can try?


Do you have another computer you can plug the suspect cable into to
see what happens?


There is no Hardware Not Found Wizard, but I know what you mean.

Let's say it is not the cables and it is the computer for a few
minutes.

I asked before to please try to tell us exactly what the messages say,
what the options are, etc. It may seem redundant and frustrating to
you, but now your last post does not match your first, at least in the
wording, so I am getting a little mixed up, or maybe just missing
something.

If you turn on your computer with this cable plugged in and nothing on
the other end of it, you see this exact message. From the available
options, you choose to... We are quite blind, so words are
important. Just get it down to one cable. I agree that it is
unlikely that two cable are going to be bad. They only have 4 wires.

What are the details (part number, manufacture) of your USB extension
cable? I would like to look it up if I can.

Have you tried the cables on another XP computer? If there is no
problem, we can say it is not the cables and we won't have to talk
about cables anymore..

What Windows XP Service Pack are you running?

If you have not done so, please download, update the database and run
a full scan with Malwarebytes MBAM free product. No matter what other
anti-whatever program you already have, please tell us you did this
part.

I also asked before to look in the Device Manager for any yellow
question marks, red X errors, etc. Have you done that but forgotten
to post your findings from Device Manager? Maybe we skipped that
step, but if there is an error there, we need to fix it. Could be the
whole problem!

Another thing to do while you are in Device Manager is to choose to
Scan for new hardware, just to see what it says.

  #26  
Old April 27th 09, 07:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
No_Name
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

XP/SP3. I already wrote what the messages say. Found New Hardware
Wizard is a stock XP one; it's also the one that comes up with Scan for
Hardware in Device Manager. That Wizard wants to identify the
associated software, but in this case there isn't any - unless as an
earlier post (Rich) suggest, it's a port=hardware association left over
from earlier, i.e., never released. In Device Manager, there is in
yellow: "Other Devices," with two "Unknown Devices" under it. That's
what this is all about. I did several anti-malware runs this weekend,
as I got hit by the gaopdx-Win32/heur virus Friday. In the process I
did a full scan MBAM and AVG runs (neither are very thorough), before
switching over to Avira, which is super. Fortunately, I caught it
quickly and my computer is clean now. The cable/hardware problem is
unrelated.

Gene

Jose wrote:


There is no Hardware Not Found Wizard, but I know what you mean.

Let's say it is not the cables and it is the computer for a few
minutes.

I asked before to please try to tell us exactly what the messages say,
what the options are, etc. It may seem redundant and frustrating to
you, but now your last post does not match your first, at least in the
wording, so I am getting a little mixed up, or maybe just missing
something.

If you turn on your computer with this cable plugged in and nothing on
the other end of it, you see this exact message. From the available
options, you choose to... We are quite blind, so words are
important. Just get it down to one cable. I agree that it is
unlikely that two cable are going to be bad. They only have 4 wires.

What are the details (part number, manufacture) of your USB extension
cable? I would like to look it up if I can.

Have you tried the cables on another XP computer? If there is no
problem, we can say it is not the cables and we won't have to talk
about cables anymore..

What Windows XP Service Pack are you running?

If you have not done so, please download, update the database and run
a full scan with Malwarebytes MBAM free product. No matter what other
anti-whatever program you already have, please tell us you did this
part.

I also asked before to look in the Device Manager for any yellow
question marks, red X errors, etc. Have you done that but forgotten
to post your findings from Device Manager? Maybe we skipped that
step, but if there is an error there, we need to fix it. Could be the
whole problem!

Another thing to do while you are in Device Manager is to choose to
Scan for new hardware, just to see what it says.

  #27  
Old April 27th 09, 07:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
No_Name
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Posts: 71
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

XP/SP3. I already wrote what the messages say. Found New Hardware
Wizard is a stock XP one; it's also the one that comes up with Scan for
Hardware in Device Manager. That Wizard wants to identify the
associated software, but in this case there isn't any - unless as an
earlier post (Rich) suggest, it's a port=hardware association left over
from earlier, i.e., never released. In Device Manager, there is in
yellow: "Other Devices," with two "Unknown Devices" under it. That's
what this is all about. I did several anti-malware runs this weekend,
as I got hit by the gaopdx-Win32/heur virus Friday. In the process I
did a full scan MBAM and AVG runs (neither are very thorough), before
switching over to Avira, which is super. Fortunately, I caught it
quickly and my computer is clean now. The cable/hardware problem is
unrelated.

Gene

Jose wrote:


There is no Hardware Not Found Wizard, but I know what you mean.

Let's say it is not the cables and it is the computer for a few
minutes.

I asked before to please try to tell us exactly what the messages say,
what the options are, etc. It may seem redundant and frustrating to
you, but now your last post does not match your first, at least in the
wording, so I am getting a little mixed up, or maybe just missing
something.

If you turn on your computer with this cable plugged in and nothing on
the other end of it, you see this exact message. From the available
options, you choose to... We are quite blind, so words are
important. Just get it down to one cable. I agree that it is
unlikely that two cable are going to be bad. They only have 4 wires.

What are the details (part number, manufacture) of your USB extension
cable? I would like to look it up if I can.

Have you tried the cables on another XP computer? If there is no
problem, we can say it is not the cables and we won't have to talk
about cables anymore..

What Windows XP Service Pack are you running?

If you have not done so, please download, update the database and run
a full scan with Malwarebytes MBAM free product. No matter what other
anti-whatever program you already have, please tell us you did this
part.

I also asked before to look in the Device Manager for any yellow
question marks, red X errors, etc. Have you done that but forgotten
to post your findings from Device Manager? Maybe we skipped that
step, but if there is an error there, we need to fix it. Could be the
whole problem!

Another thing to do while you are in Device Manager is to choose to
Scan for new hardware, just to see what it says.

  #28  
Old April 27th 09, 07:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Tim Meddick
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Gene,
But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time.

If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is no
longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device there
when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the cable
no Wizard should be activated at all!!

The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a
cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB PORT!
Nothing more to say.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


wrote in message
...
XP/SP3. I already wrote what the messages say. Found New Hardware
Wizard is a stock XP one; it's also the one that comes up with Scan for
Hardware in Device Manager. That Wizard wants to identify the
associated software, but in this case there isn't any - unless as an
earlier post (Rich) suggest, it's a port=hardware association left over
from earlier, i.e., never released. In Device Manager, there is in
yellow: "Other Devices," with two "Unknown Devices" under it. That's
what this is all about. I did several anti-malware runs this weekend,
as I got hit by the gaopdx-Win32/heur virus Friday. In the process I
did a full scan MBAM and AVG runs (neither are very thorough), before
switching over to Avira, which is super. Fortunately, I caught it
quickly and my computer is clean now. The cable/hardware problem is
unrelated.

Gene

Jose wrote:


There is no Hardware Not Found Wizard, but I know what you mean.

Let's say it is not the cables and it is the computer for a few
minutes.

I asked before to please try to tell us exactly what the messages say,
what the options are, etc. It may seem redundant and frustrating to
you, but now your last post does not match your first, at least in the
wording, so I am getting a little mixed up, or maybe just missing
something.

If you turn on your computer with this cable plugged in and nothing on
the other end of it, you see this exact message. From the available
options, you choose to... We are quite blind, so words are
important. Just get it down to one cable. I agree that it is
unlikely that two cable are going to be bad. They only have 4 wires.

What are the details (part number, manufacture) of your USB extension
cable? I would like to look it up if I can.

Have you tried the cables on another XP computer? If there is no
problem, we can say it is not the cables and we won't have to talk
about cables anymore..

What Windows XP Service Pack are you running?

If you have not done so, please download, update the database and run
a full scan with Malwarebytes MBAM free product. No matter what other
anti-whatever program you already have, please tell us you did this
part.

I also asked before to look in the Device Manager for any yellow
question marks, red X errors, etc. Have you done that but forgotten
to post your findings from Device Manager? Maybe we skipped that
step, but if there is an error there, we need to fix it. Could be the
whole problem!

Another thing to do while you are in Device Manager is to choose to
Scan for new hardware, just to see what it says.



  #29  
Old April 27th 09, 07:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Tim Meddick
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Posts: 1,995
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Gene,
But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time.

If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is no
longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device there
when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the cable
no Wizard should be activated at all!!

The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a
cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB PORT!
Nothing more to say.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


wrote in message
...
XP/SP3. I already wrote what the messages say. Found New Hardware
Wizard is a stock XP one; it's also the one that comes up with Scan for
Hardware in Device Manager. That Wizard wants to identify the
associated software, but in this case there isn't any - unless as an
earlier post (Rich) suggest, it's a port=hardware association left over
from earlier, i.e., never released. In Device Manager, there is in
yellow: "Other Devices," with two "Unknown Devices" under it. That's
what this is all about. I did several anti-malware runs this weekend,
as I got hit by the gaopdx-Win32/heur virus Friday. In the process I
did a full scan MBAM and AVG runs (neither are very thorough), before
switching over to Avira, which is super. Fortunately, I caught it
quickly and my computer is clean now. The cable/hardware problem is
unrelated.

Gene

Jose wrote:


There is no Hardware Not Found Wizard, but I know what you mean.

Let's say it is not the cables and it is the computer for a few
minutes.

I asked before to please try to tell us exactly what the messages say,
what the options are, etc. It may seem redundant and frustrating to
you, but now your last post does not match your first, at least in the
wording, so I am getting a little mixed up, or maybe just missing
something.

If you turn on your computer with this cable plugged in and nothing on
the other end of it, you see this exact message. From the available
options, you choose to... We are quite blind, so words are
important. Just get it down to one cable. I agree that it is
unlikely that two cable are going to be bad. They only have 4 wires.

What are the details (part number, manufacture) of your USB extension
cable? I would like to look it up if I can.

Have you tried the cables on another XP computer? If there is no
problem, we can say it is not the cables and we won't have to talk
about cables anymore..

What Windows XP Service Pack are you running?

If you have not done so, please download, update the database and run
a full scan with Malwarebytes MBAM free product. No matter what other
anti-whatever program you already have, please tell us you did this
part.

I also asked before to look in the Device Manager for any yellow
question marks, red X errors, etc. Have you done that but forgotten
to post your findings from Device Manager? Maybe we skipped that
step, but if there is an error there, we need to fix it. Could be the
whole problem!

Another thing to do while you are in Device Manager is to choose to
Scan for new hardware, just to see what it says.



  #30  
Old April 27th 09, 10:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Danny Williams
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:24:29 +0100, "Tim Meddick"
wrote:

Gene,
I don't want to fight here, my intention is to help by telling what
I know and then you pick up on what you want. I'm not forcing my opinion on
anyone!
Just to clarify my thoughts on this: I sincerely believe that a USB
cable (especially a simple extension cable) with NOTHING at the end of it
should in NO WAY make your computer behave like there is. That is all there
is to my logic. Nothing 'cleverer' than that, I'm afraid.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


Yeah... but what "should" happen and what IS happening are two
different things.

The problem follows the cable from port to port.

It IS the cable.

Perhaps - grasping at straws here - the extension cable is the wrong
USB version?



wrote in message
...
Hey guys, I've tried not 1 but 2 USB extension cables from very
different sources. Same "Hardware Not Found Wizard" with both on boot
up. Possibly both are bad, but first, are there other possible
explanations?

Gene

Jose wrote:

Sounds to me like the problem follows the cable.

Do you have a similar cable to the suspect cable you can try?

Do you have another computer you can plug the suspect cable into to
see what happens?


 




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