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  #46  
Old April 28th 09, 01:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Peter Foldes
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Tim

Don't get upset. This happens quite a bit and when it does just drop the thread and
let the OP sort it out ( He will eventually re-read what you posted). This I can
tell you since I learned that arguing or trying to convince an OP that posts here
with an issue and then thinks he knows better than you (which seems to be the case
here) what his issue is caused by and is adamant and stuck at a certain level is not
worth it. I have been posting here (msnewsgroups) for over 15 yrs and it also took a
while for me to do the same.

--
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"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...
Gene,
You can say "Hey, Tim, you know what - YOU'RE WRONG" but fine, who hopes to
be right all the time? There's a problem if I'm wrong MORE often that I'm right,
but if you think that you're just being insulting because it's clearly NOT the
case. I am eager to help and the theory that it was the cables was a valid one
(that has not been totally disproved) and held by others in this thread. I didn't
say a browser that was incapable of redirection (that would be mad) but that your
browser had had redirection disabled. i.e YOUR browser was incapable of
redirection. I have looked into this and discovered that I WAS rash in saying
this and that redirection is not something that can be disabled (in IE at any
rate) but I'm going to look further into this. I WAS ONLY TRYING TO HELP. I
never said that it IS this or IS that but, I said that I thought is may be this
and/or that and these are my thoughts on this. If you want to back bite people
who are trying to be helpful and insult them then that's your right of free
speech. However, don't expect that IF I happen to have the RIGHT answer for a
future problem of yours, that I'll be first in the que.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


wrote in message ...
"Tim Meddick" wrote:

Gene,
But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time.

If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is no
longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device there
when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the cable
no Wizard should be activated at all!!

The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a
cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB PORT!
Nothing more to say.


Disabling the Unknown Devices in Device Mgr, plugging in both cables
and rebooting ended the hardware messages. See Rich's ideas earlier in
this thread for why that might be the case.

Here's the problem with your posts: With the strange happenings
(redirection) in MS thread on Friday, you suggested my browser
is incapable of redirecting without first asking which browser I'm
using. Moreover, are there any browsers that are incapable of
redirecting?? They'd be useless on the internet, since redirecting is
standard.

Then with this thread, you argued that the cables had to be shorted
without first asking if they worked ok when devices were attached to
them.

Twice is a habit. They tell me you're eager to help, but in over your
head.

Gene




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  #47  
Old April 28th 09, 01:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Peter Foldes
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Posts: 2,444
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Tim

Don't get upset. This happens quite a bit and when it does just drop the thread and
let the OP sort it out ( He will eventually re-read what you posted). This I can
tell you since I learned that arguing or trying to convince an OP that posts here
with an issue and then thinks he knows better than you (which seems to be the case
here) what his issue is caused by and is adamant and stuck at a certain level is not
worth it. I have been posting here (msnewsgroups) for over 15 yrs and it also took a
while for me to do the same.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...
Gene,
You can say "Hey, Tim, you know what - YOU'RE WRONG" but fine, who hopes to
be right all the time? There's a problem if I'm wrong MORE often that I'm right,
but if you think that you're just being insulting because it's clearly NOT the
case. I am eager to help and the theory that it was the cables was a valid one
(that has not been totally disproved) and held by others in this thread. I didn't
say a browser that was incapable of redirection (that would be mad) but that your
browser had had redirection disabled. i.e YOUR browser was incapable of
redirection. I have looked into this and discovered that I WAS rash in saying
this and that redirection is not something that can be disabled (in IE at any
rate) but I'm going to look further into this. I WAS ONLY TRYING TO HELP. I
never said that it IS this or IS that but, I said that I thought is may be this
and/or that and these are my thoughts on this. If you want to back bite people
who are trying to be helpful and insult them then that's your right of free
speech. However, don't expect that IF I happen to have the RIGHT answer for a
future problem of yours, that I'll be first in the que.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


wrote in message ...
"Tim Meddick" wrote:

Gene,
But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time.

If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is no
longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device there
when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the cable
no Wizard should be activated at all!!

The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a
cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB PORT!
Nothing more to say.


Disabling the Unknown Devices in Device Mgr, plugging in both cables
and rebooting ended the hardware messages. See Rich's ideas earlier in
this thread for why that might be the case.

Here's the problem with your posts: With the strange happenings
(redirection) in MS thread on Friday, you suggested my browser
is incapable of redirecting without first asking which browser I'm
using. Moreover, are there any browsers that are incapable of
redirecting?? They'd be useless on the internet, since redirecting is
standard.

Then with this thread, you argued that the cables had to be shorted
without first asking if they worked ok when devices were attached to
them.

Twice is a habit. They tell me you're eager to help, but in over your
head.

Gene




  #48  
Old April 29th 09, 02:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Tim Meddick
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Posts: 1,995
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

You just can't resist me, can you? I could have seen your reply coming with
my eyes closed. At least I can admit when I have something wrong which is
more that you can say for some people. And it's got nothing at all to do
with the subject - it's personal, you pestering me with your unwanted and
acidulous comments.

==

Tim Meddick


  #49  
Old April 29th 09, 02:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Tim Meddick
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Posts: 1,995
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

You just can't resist me, can you? I could have seen your reply coming with
my eyes closed. At least I can admit when I have something wrong which is
more that you can say for some people. And it's got nothing at all to do
with the subject - it's personal, you pestering me with your unwanted and
acidulous comments.

==

Tim Meddick


  #50  
Old April 29th 09, 03:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Tim Meddick
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Posts: 1,995
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Peter,
I thank you, deeply for your comments. I had dropped the thread, I
feel that, in my last post, I had said all that I had to. However, that
Mike [Torello] stuck his nose in, as I should have know that he would (if
you review the past months posts you'll see he seems to follow me around
with his critique). He doesn't seem to be able to stop himself from
commenting every time that I do get something wrong (and I do get stuff
wrong, and am usually the first one to admit it). Why he feels it's his
personal business to point and gloat when I have already listed my mistake,
I don't know. I don't know what he's got against me but he sure can't
resist telling me about it.
So I fired one off back at him before I read your post. Which, by the
way, would have calmed me down considerably. I don't knowwhy I let such
rotten sports affect me so. They tell me that it's like a red rag to a bull
when you show a nerve. But is that the way it should be? Your comments
meant a lot, and I WILL try to rise above this sort of thing a little better
in future. Thankyou again.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


"Peter Foldes" wrote in message
...
Tim

Don't get upset. This happens quite a bit and when it does just drop the
thread and let the OP sort it out ( He will eventually re-read what you
posted). This I can tell you since I learned that arguing or trying to
convince an OP that posts here with an issue and then thinks he knows
better than you (which seems to be the case here) what his issue is caused
by and is adamant and stuck at a certain level is not worth it. I have
been posting here (msnewsgroups) for over 15 yrs and it also took a while
for me to do the same.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...
Gene,
You can say "Hey, Tim, you know what - YOU'RE WRONG" but fine, who
hopes to be right all the time? There's a problem if I'm wrong MORE
often that I'm right, but if you think that you're just being insulting
because it's clearly NOT the case. I am eager to help and the theory
that it was the cables was a valid one (that has not been totally
disproved) and held by others in this thread. I didn't say a browser
that was incapable of redirection (that would be mad) but that your
browser had had redirection disabled. i.e YOUR browser was incapable of
redirection. I have looked into this and discovered that I WAS rash in
saying this and that redirection is not something that can be disabled
(in IE at any rate) but I'm going to look further into this. I WAS ONLY
TRYING TO HELP. I never said that it IS this or IS that but, I said that
I thought is may be this and/or that and these are my thoughts on this.
If you want to back bite people who are trying to be helpful and insult
them then that's your right of free speech. However, don't expect that
IF I happen to have the RIGHT answer for a future problem of yours, that
I'll be first in the que.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


wrote in message
...
"Tim Meddick" wrote:

Gene,
But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time.

If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is
no
longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device
there
when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the
cable
no Wizard should be activated at all!!

The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a
cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB
PORT!
Nothing more to say.

Disabling the Unknown Devices in Device Mgr, plugging in both cables
and rebooting ended the hardware messages. See Rich's ideas earlier in
this thread for why that might be the case.

Here's the problem with your posts: With the strange happenings
(redirection) in MS thread on Friday, you suggested my browser
is incapable of redirecting without first asking which browser I'm
using. Moreover, are there any browsers that are incapable of
redirecting?? They'd be useless on the internet, since redirecting is
standard.

Then with this thread, you argued that the cables had to be shorted
without first asking if they worked ok when devices were attached to
them.

Twice is a habit. They tell me you're eager to help, but in over your
head.

Gene






  #51  
Old April 29th 09, 03:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Tim Meddick
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,995
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Peter,
I thank you, deeply for your comments. I had dropped the thread, I
feel that, in my last post, I had said all that I had to. However, that
Mike [Torello] stuck his nose in, as I should have know that he would (if
you review the past months posts you'll see he seems to follow me around
with his critique). He doesn't seem to be able to stop himself from
commenting every time that I do get something wrong (and I do get stuff
wrong, and am usually the first one to admit it). Why he feels it's his
personal business to point and gloat when I have already listed my mistake,
I don't know. I don't know what he's got against me but he sure can't
resist telling me about it.
So I fired one off back at him before I read your post. Which, by the
way, would have calmed me down considerably. I don't knowwhy I let such
rotten sports affect me so. They tell me that it's like a red rag to a bull
when you show a nerve. But is that the way it should be? Your comments
meant a lot, and I WILL try to rise above this sort of thing a little better
in future. Thankyou again.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


"Peter Foldes" wrote in message
...
Tim

Don't get upset. This happens quite a bit and when it does just drop the
thread and let the OP sort it out ( He will eventually re-read what you
posted). This I can tell you since I learned that arguing or trying to
convince an OP that posts here with an issue and then thinks he knows
better than you (which seems to be the case here) what his issue is caused
by and is adamant and stuck at a certain level is not worth it. I have
been posting here (msnewsgroups) for over 15 yrs and it also took a while
for me to do the same.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...
Gene,
You can say "Hey, Tim, you know what - YOU'RE WRONG" but fine, who
hopes to be right all the time? There's a problem if I'm wrong MORE
often that I'm right, but if you think that you're just being insulting
because it's clearly NOT the case. I am eager to help and the theory
that it was the cables was a valid one (that has not been totally
disproved) and held by others in this thread. I didn't say a browser
that was incapable of redirection (that would be mad) but that your
browser had had redirection disabled. i.e YOUR browser was incapable of
redirection. I have looked into this and discovered that I WAS rash in
saying this and that redirection is not something that can be disabled
(in IE at any rate) but I'm going to look further into this. I WAS ONLY
TRYING TO HELP. I never said that it IS this or IS that but, I said that
I thought is may be this and/or that and these are my thoughts on this.
If you want to back bite people who are trying to be helpful and insult
them then that's your right of free speech. However, don't expect that
IF I happen to have the RIGHT answer for a future problem of yours, that
I'll be first in the que.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


wrote in message
...
"Tim Meddick" wrote:

Gene,
But, at the risk of repeating myself, one more time.

If, as you say, it is a left-over association to a device that is
no
longer attached WHY should the computer query that there is ANY device
there
when NONE is actually attached! There being NOTHING at the end of the
cable
no Wizard should be activated at all!!

The state of the computer's hardware detection in the presence of a
cable attached to NOTHING should be EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE EMPTY USB
PORT!
Nothing more to say.

Disabling the Unknown Devices in Device Mgr, plugging in both cables
and rebooting ended the hardware messages. See Rich's ideas earlier in
this thread for why that might be the case.

Here's the problem with your posts: With the strange happenings
(redirection) in MS thread on Friday, you suggested my browser
is incapable of redirecting without first asking which browser I'm
using. Moreover, are there any browsers that are incapable of
redirecting?? They'd be useless on the internet, since redirecting is
standard.

Then with this thread, you argued that the cables had to be shorted
without first asking if they worked ok when devices were attached to
them.

Twice is a habit. They tell me you're eager to help, but in over your
head.

Gene






  #52  
Old April 29th 09, 10:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Olórin[_2_]
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Posts: 917
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Tim Meddick wrote:
You just can't resist me, can you? I could have seen your reply
coming with my eyes closed. At least I can admit when I have
something wrong which is more that you can say for some people. And
it's got nothing at all to do with the subject - it's personal, you
pestering me with your unwanted and acidulous comments.

==

Tim Meddick


April 9th:

Unknown: "You say you LIKE to insult people. If that isn't mental
instability, obnoxious behavior, what do you call it?"
Torello: "Fun."

Enough said.


  #53  
Old April 29th 09, 10:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Olorin
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Posts: 323
Default USB cable and new hardware detection

Tim Meddick wrote:
You just can't resist me, can you? I could have seen your reply
coming with my eyes closed. At least I can admit when I have
something wrong which is more that you can say for some people. And
it's got nothing at all to do with the subject - it's personal, you
pestering me with your unwanted and acidulous comments.

==

Tim Meddick


April 9th:

Unknown: "You say you LIKE to insult people. If that isn't mental
instability, obnoxious behavior, what do you call it?"
Torello: "Fun."

Enough said.


  #54  
Old May 14th 09, 06:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Richard[_12_]
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Default USB cable and new hardware detection


wrote in message
...
wrote:

Let me try that again. The USB ports are on the back of the computer
under my desk, so I've kept the digital camera's USB-to-camera-port
cable hooked up, with no camera attached most of the time. There's no
camera software loaded (with the camera attached, AutoRun comes up).
On computer boot, camera not attached, there's no Found Hardware or
AutoRun notice; it's as if the cable isn't there.

Now, hook to another USB port an extension cable, which is a
male-to-female USB cable, 1 to 2 meters long in my case (Tim, these are
quality cables). I use this type of cable for ease of downloading to
a USB flash drive and as part of low-tech set up for converting VHS
tapes to computer files. Again, no software necessarily associated with
the cable. On computer boot, with the cable ported to the computer and
nothing on the other end, the Found New Hardware Wizard box comes up,
as well as the smaller one in the Tray. I cancel out of both and then
let the Problem Occurred message clear or X it myself. Just to check, I
unplugged the camera cable and attached the extension to that port.
Same Hardware Wizard, etc., on rebooting. Every time.

My questions are 1) Why are there different responses between the two
cables? 2) Is there anything that can be done to stop the Found New
Hardware notice from coming up each time?

Gene


OK, if I understand right, the problem is with either port, with an empty
cable plugged in? But there is no problem after you disconnect the camera
with the cable attached, after the computer has recognized the camera? But
the newly plugged in empty camera cable and other empty extension cables
cause the problem?

Did you look inside the port with flashlight and magnifying glass to insure
that the contacts are not bent together? (No specks of aluminum foil from
candy wrappers bridging contacts?

Some battery operated devices have a place to plug in an A/C power adapter,
and inside the side wall of the port there is a micro switch that
disconnects the battery when the plug is inserted. Do your USB ports have an
inner side switch that lets the computer know if something is plugged in? In
my USB ports, (on the front of the computer,) there are 4 electrical
contacts on one side, which make contact with the 4 contacts of the plug;
and there are 2 contacts on the other side of the ports, which apparently
make contact/connection with the metal case of the plug. Wouldn't that serve
the function of a switch, alerting the computer to the fact that something
is plugged in, even though nothing is connected to the other end of the
cable? If that is the case with the 2 contacts, you would need a special
male plug for an extension cable without the normal metal case, but 2
matching contacts and 2 wires inside, connecting to the normal female port
on the other end; and then the 2 contacts would not short together until an
actual device is plugged into the cable.

--Richard



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  #55  
Old May 14th 09, 06:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Richard[_12_]
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Posts: 429
Default USB cable and new hardware detection


wrote in message
...
wrote:

Let me try that again. The USB ports are on the back of the computer
under my desk, so I've kept the digital camera's USB-to-camera-port
cable hooked up, with no camera attached most of the time. There's no
camera software loaded (with the camera attached, AutoRun comes up).
On computer boot, camera not attached, there's no Found Hardware or
AutoRun notice; it's as if the cable isn't there.

Now, hook to another USB port an extension cable, which is a
male-to-female USB cable, 1 to 2 meters long in my case (Tim, these are
quality cables). I use this type of cable for ease of downloading to
a USB flash drive and as part of low-tech set up for converting VHS
tapes to computer files. Again, no software necessarily associated with
the cable. On computer boot, with the cable ported to the computer and
nothing on the other end, the Found New Hardware Wizard box comes up,
as well as the smaller one in the Tray. I cancel out of both and then
let the Problem Occurred message clear or X it myself. Just to check, I
unplugged the camera cable and attached the extension to that port.
Same Hardware Wizard, etc., on rebooting. Every time.

My questions are 1) Why are there different responses between the two
cables? 2) Is there anything that can be done to stop the Found New
Hardware notice from coming up each time?

Gene


OK, if I understand right, the problem is with either port, with an empty
cable plugged in? But there is no problem after you disconnect the camera
with the cable attached, after the computer has recognized the camera? But
the newly plugged in empty camera cable and other empty extension cables
cause the problem?

Did you look inside the port with flashlight and magnifying glass to insure
that the contacts are not bent together? (No specks of aluminum foil from
candy wrappers bridging contacts?

Some battery operated devices have a place to plug in an A/C power adapter,
and inside the side wall of the port there is a micro switch that
disconnects the battery when the plug is inserted. Do your USB ports have an
inner side switch that lets the computer know if something is plugged in? In
my USB ports, (on the front of the computer,) there are 4 electrical
contacts on one side, which make contact with the 4 contacts of the plug;
and there are 2 contacts on the other side of the ports, which apparently
make contact/connection with the metal case of the plug. Wouldn't that serve
the function of a switch, alerting the computer to the fact that something
is plugged in, even though nothing is connected to the other end of the
cable? If that is the case with the 2 contacts, you would need a special
male plug for an extension cable without the normal metal case, but 2
matching contacts and 2 wires inside, connecting to the normal female port
on the other end; and then the 2 contacts would not short together until an
actual device is plugged into the cable.

--Richard



__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4073 (20090513) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com




 




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