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  #16  
Old July 18th 09, 05:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
John John - MVP[_2_]
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Twayne wrote:
"Marianne" wrote in message

What a fscking blithering idiot! You don't have a closed mind, you're
closed at the other end and it's coming out of your ears sideways! You
don't know anything about the registry and you repeatedly stick
both feet in your mouth every time you talk about it, why don't you
just STFU and stop it with your idiotic rambling! The last thing
"New Users" need is stupid registry advice from a troll like you!


YOu're quite wrong; what they need is real data...


Real data is something that you have *never* been able to give. Are you
really so daft as to think that advertisement constitutes "real data"?
The rest of use here are not as gullible as you. Your information is
about as real as the cancer data given by cigarette company executives
during congressional hearings.

John
Ads
  #17  
Old July 18th 09, 05:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
John John - MVP[_2_]
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Posts: 1,637
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

Twayne wrote:
"Marianne" wrote in message

What a fscking blithering idiot! You don't have a closed mind, you're
closed at the other end and it's coming out of your ears sideways! You
don't know anything about the registry and you repeatedly stick
both feet in your mouth every time you talk about it, why don't you
just STFU and stop it with your idiotic rambling! The last thing
"New Users" need is stupid registry advice from a troll like you!


YOu're quite wrong; what they need is real data...


Real data is something that you have *never* been able to give. Are you
really so daft as to think that advertisement constitutes "real data"?
The rest of use here are not as gullible as you. Your information is
about as real as the cancer data given by cigarette company executives
during congressional hearings.

John
  #18  
Old July 18th 09, 06:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
John John - MVP[_2_]
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Posts: 1,637
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

Twayne wrote:

... I've accomplished what I wanted to do here; which was give people
some resources for the better cleaners around.


You've spamed the group with a pile of links to commercial products.
Congratulations, you're a spammer!
  #19  
Old July 18th 09, 06:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
John John - MVP[_2_]
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Posts: 1,637
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

Twayne wrote:

... I've accomplished what I wanted to do here; which was give people
some resources for the better cleaners around.


You've spamed the group with a pile of links to commercial products.
Congratulations, you're a spammer!
  #20  
Old July 18th 09, 06:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry
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Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

Twayne

RegCure claim:

" Q. Why does my PC freeze?
Corruption within your registry keys, registry classes, and registry
settings are the most common causes of Windows error messages"

Totally misleading!

http://www.regcure.com/

RegCure claims that registry corruption is the most common cause are
Windows error messages. My judgement based on investigating thousands of
error reports showing up as Stop Errors and Event Viewer reports does
not substantiate this claim.

--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Twayne wrote:
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message

Twayne wrote:
I know those who love to make spam accusations and who literally
hate Registry Cleaners so much that they closed mindedly and
constantly attempt to force their misguided opinions and
misinformation onto the public will come crawling out of the
woodwork over this, but I think this group could use this post
anyway. I'm not spamming because I have NO investment of any
kind in any of the upcoming links and references; they are simply
that which the
web was/is intended for: The dispersal of information.

Although I didn't bother to read them, I did notice the latest
cacophony over Registry Cleaners by the typical group of
misinformationists and ignorant sock-puppets that usually accrue
when someone disagrees with any of them that Registry Cleaners do
and will continue to, have a valid place in most anyone's toolbox of
troubleshooting utilities. I'm fairly sure they'll repeat their
silliness here. Oh, and I even came across a white-paper dated in
2006 I hadn't seen before, but I'm not going to expose it until one
of the narcissistic egos here presents some valid information for
their own claims that there does not exist a Registry Cleaner that
is any good, that won't damage a system, and that will eventually
make the system unbootable, separate from the causes of ANY program
that could cause that to happen. So whether you're just curious or
are looking for a decent Registry
Cleaner, here's a list of reviews of them from several different
places. There are a lot more but I hoped I would find just one site
that made a full comparison of all of them in one place. Not
finding that, I settled for the following:

Ever wonder how Registry Cleaners compare?
Ever wonder if opinions on their outputs are similar from place to
place where different opinions appear?

http://registryrepaircompare.com/
RegCure was #1

Registry Cleaner Reviews:
http://www.registrycleanersreviewed.com/
RegCure made #1

Registry Cleaner Geeks
http://www.registrycleanergeeks.com/
RegCure came out #1

5 Registry Cleaner Reviews: Which Is The Best?
http://www.registrycleaner-reviews.org/
RegCure was on top

Advanced Registry Cleaner
http://registry-repair-software-revi...er-review.html
Not all that great. Techie. Limited Features.

Registry Cleaner Reviews
http://www.registrycleanerreviews4u....are_chart.html
RegistryEasy won, but ... they also sell that oneg.

Registry Cleaners Reviewed
http://www.registrycleanerreview.us/
and RegCure won yet again.

A discussion on cleaners (toward the bottom of the page)
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=171203805

The "best" Registry Cleaner?
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6138_102...hreadID=116309
Discussion

A pretty bad Registry Cleaner: Complete Registry Cleaner 1.0
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1585462,00.asp


RegCure seems to be doing pretty good even with their last little
glitch. What I'd really like to see is a comparison of the freebie
Registry Cleaners versus the pay-fors; maybe next time.

If you don't think a Registry Cleaner is worth using, that's fine
and your perogative. But forcing, intimidating and shoving others
to share your misguided opinions is just plain wrong.

Twayne`



Sorry, but mindlessly echoing pure marketing drivel (not a single
reputable technical or scientifically verifiable source in the lot)
*IS* spam, plain and simple. You really should find a new religion;
I hear Scientologists are looking for people just like you: totally
lacking in critical thinking abilities. Just give them money, and
you're golden.

--

Bruce Chambers


Hey, where'd your boilerplate go to?!? lol, lost it or someting? You
need to reread your parenthetical and then reread the posts again, but
you never looked at them in the first place so ... it's not important.

Tell me something: Whose marketing hype is more prolific and more
abundant: That of Registry Cleaners or that of Microsoft? If
"marketing drivel" is the sign of bad software then EVERY product on
the market is drivel by your standards, MS among the highest and the
worst. Like their boast about how improved security has been for
every system since windows3.1.

Of course, your standards are incorrect and your mind closed because
you profess how terrible a class of programs is without the least bit
of verifiable backup ever having been presented. Never. Not a single
thing. Nothing.
You don't and haven't presented it because you have nothing but
occasional anecdotal evidence of unknown accuracy and source. And you
know I do have it, because I presented it long ago and even challenged
you to a project to evaluate and make public the results of controlled
tests using registry cleaners. As for the project, you became
simply a black hole- nowhere to be seen.

But I've accomplished what I wanted to do here; which was give people
some resources for the better cleaners around.

Twayne`


  #21  
Old July 18th 09, 06:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry
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Posts: 9,437
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!


Twayne

RegCure claim:

" Q. Why does my PC freeze?
Corruption within your registry keys, registry classes, and registry
settings are the most common causes of Windows error messages"

Totally misleading!

http://www.regcure.com/

RegCure claims that registry corruption is the most common cause are
Windows error messages. My judgement based on investigating thousands of
error reports showing up as Stop Errors and Event Viewer reports does
not substantiate this claim.

--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Twayne wrote:
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message

Twayne wrote:
I know those who love to make spam accusations and who literally
hate Registry Cleaners so much that they closed mindedly and
constantly attempt to force their misguided opinions and
misinformation onto the public will come crawling out of the
woodwork over this, but I think this group could use this post
anyway. I'm not spamming because I have NO investment of any
kind in any of the upcoming links and references; they are simply
that which the
web was/is intended for: The dispersal of information.

Although I didn't bother to read them, I did notice the latest
cacophony over Registry Cleaners by the typical group of
misinformationists and ignorant sock-puppets that usually accrue
when someone disagrees with any of them that Registry Cleaners do
and will continue to, have a valid place in most anyone's toolbox of
troubleshooting utilities. I'm fairly sure they'll repeat their
silliness here. Oh, and I even came across a white-paper dated in
2006 I hadn't seen before, but I'm not going to expose it until one
of the narcissistic egos here presents some valid information for
their own claims that there does not exist a Registry Cleaner that
is any good, that won't damage a system, and that will eventually
make the system unbootable, separate from the causes of ANY program
that could cause that to happen. So whether you're just curious or
are looking for a decent Registry
Cleaner, here's a list of reviews of them from several different
places. There are a lot more but I hoped I would find just one site
that made a full comparison of all of them in one place. Not
finding that, I settled for the following:

Ever wonder how Registry Cleaners compare?
Ever wonder if opinions on their outputs are similar from place to
place where different opinions appear?

http://registryrepaircompare.com/
RegCure was #1

Registry Cleaner Reviews:
http://www.registrycleanersreviewed.com/
RegCure made #1

Registry Cleaner Geeks
http://www.registrycleanergeeks.com/
RegCure came out #1

5 Registry Cleaner Reviews: Which Is The Best?
http://www.registrycleaner-reviews.org/
RegCure was on top

Advanced Registry Cleaner
http://registry-repair-software-revi...er-review.html
Not all that great. Techie. Limited Features.

Registry Cleaner Reviews
http://www.registrycleanerreviews4u....are_chart.html
RegistryEasy won, but ... they also sell that oneg.

Registry Cleaners Reviewed
http://www.registrycleanerreview.us/
and RegCure won yet again.

A discussion on cleaners (toward the bottom of the page)
http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=171203805

The "best" Registry Cleaner?
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6138_102...hreadID=116309
Discussion

A pretty bad Registry Cleaner: Complete Registry Cleaner 1.0
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1585462,00.asp


RegCure seems to be doing pretty good even with their last little
glitch. What I'd really like to see is a comparison of the freebie
Registry Cleaners versus the pay-fors; maybe next time.

If you don't think a Registry Cleaner is worth using, that's fine
and your perogative. But forcing, intimidating and shoving others
to share your misguided opinions is just plain wrong.

Twayne`



Sorry, but mindlessly echoing pure marketing drivel (not a single
reputable technical or scientifically verifiable source in the lot)
*IS* spam, plain and simple. You really should find a new religion;
I hear Scientologists are looking for people just like you: totally
lacking in critical thinking abilities. Just give them money, and
you're golden.

--

Bruce Chambers


Hey, where'd your boilerplate go to?!? lol, lost it or someting? You
need to reread your parenthetical and then reread the posts again, but
you never looked at them in the first place so ... it's not important.

Tell me something: Whose marketing hype is more prolific and more
abundant: That of Registry Cleaners or that of Microsoft? If
"marketing drivel" is the sign of bad software then EVERY product on
the market is drivel by your standards, MS among the highest and the
worst. Like their boast about how improved security has been for
every system since windows3.1.

Of course, your standards are incorrect and your mind closed because
you profess how terrible a class of programs is without the least bit
of verifiable backup ever having been presented. Never. Not a single
thing. Nothing.
You don't and haven't presented it because you have nothing but
occasional anecdotal evidence of unknown accuracy and source. And you
know I do have it, because I presented it long ago and even challenged
you to a project to evaluate and make public the results of controlled
tests using registry cleaners. As for the project, you became
simply a black hole- nowhere to be seen.

But I've accomplished what I wanted to do here; which was give people
some resources for the better cleaners around.

Twayne`


  #22  
Old July 18th 09, 06:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
John John - MVP[_2_]
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Posts: 1,637
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

Gerry wrote:
Twayne

RegCure claim:

" Q. Why does my PC freeze?
Corruption within your registry keys, registry classes, and registry
settings are the most common causes of Windows error messages"

Totally misleading!

http://www.regcure.com/

RegCure claims that registry corruption is the most common cause are
Windows error messages. My judgement based on investigating thousands of
error reports showing up as Stop Errors and Event Viewer reports does
not substantiate this claim.


Of course not, registry corruption is the *least* common cause of
Windows error messages. Other than the completely gullible only ones
wearing blinders and incapable of accepting facts would fall for those lies!

John
  #23  
Old July 18th 09, 06:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
John John - MVP[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,637
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

Gerry wrote:
Twayne

RegCure claim:

" Q. Why does my PC freeze?
Corruption within your registry keys, registry classes, and registry
settings are the most common causes of Windows error messages"

Totally misleading!

http://www.regcure.com/

RegCure claims that registry corruption is the most common cause are
Windows error messages. My judgement based on investigating thousands of
error reports showing up as Stop Errors and Event Viewer reports does
not substantiate this claim.


Of course not, registry corruption is the *least* common cause of
Windows error messages. Other than the completely gullible only ones
wearing blinders and incapable of accepting facts would fall for those lies!

John
  #24  
Old July 19th 09, 12:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Doug[_4_]
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Posts: 64
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"Twayne" wrote in message
...
I know those who love to make spam accusations and who literally hate
Registry Cleaners so much that they closed mindedly and constantly attempt
to force their misguided opinions and misinformation onto the public will
come crawling out of the woodwork over this, but I think this group could
use this post anyway.
--

--
Regards,

Wrong does not cease to be wrong
because the loud ones scream it consistently. -Me



I've been participating in Usenet groups and other computer related forums
for a lot of years. BBS's since before the WWW. Long before the Windows
registry anyway.

I can't even begin to count the number of posts I've read that follow some
form of "I used some software name here registry cleaner and now some
computer function here doesn't work anymore. How do I get my computer back
to the way it was?"

I have never seen one, with the exception of obvious spam, where the
individual spoke of a measurable performance increase. Of course there's
always the occasional person who is just really really excited about
registry cleaners for some odd reason.

I am able to reach a conclusion about registry cleaners based on years of
data. They obviously and undeniably can do more harm than good.

Logic would also conclude that these tools are most often sought after by
individuals least capable of safely using them. That is to say those looking
for a "one click fix" are more likely to have insufficient knowledge to
understand the ramifications of changes a registry cleaner may make than
those who would, say, use regedit to properly fix an actual known problem.

Anecdotally after Win 3.11 I've used Win 95, Win 98, Win XP and now Win 7.
(skipped ME and Vista I've never used a registry cleaner of any kind. My
computers have always run just fine thank you very much.

Use one. Don't use one. Makes me no nevermind.

Probably shouldn't be giving people the idea that they are perfectly safe
and provide great benefit. Undeniable irrefutable history says that's simply
not the case.
D

Saying it with great conviction doesn't make it so...

  #25  
Old July 19th 09, 12:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Doug[_4_]
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Posts: 64
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"Twayne" wrote in message
...
I know those who love to make spam accusations and who literally hate
Registry Cleaners so much that they closed mindedly and constantly attempt
to force their misguided opinions and misinformation onto the public will
come crawling out of the woodwork over this, but I think this group could
use this post anyway.
--

--
Regards,

Wrong does not cease to be wrong
because the loud ones scream it consistently. -Me



I've been participating in Usenet groups and other computer related forums
for a lot of years. BBS's since before the WWW. Long before the Windows
registry anyway.

I can't even begin to count the number of posts I've read that follow some
form of "I used some software name here registry cleaner and now some
computer function here doesn't work anymore. How do I get my computer back
to the way it was?"

I have never seen one, with the exception of obvious spam, where the
individual spoke of a measurable performance increase. Of course there's
always the occasional person who is just really really excited about
registry cleaners for some odd reason.

I am able to reach a conclusion about registry cleaners based on years of
data. They obviously and undeniably can do more harm than good.

Logic would also conclude that these tools are most often sought after by
individuals least capable of safely using them. That is to say those looking
for a "one click fix" are more likely to have insufficient knowledge to
understand the ramifications of changes a registry cleaner may make than
those who would, say, use regedit to properly fix an actual known problem.

Anecdotally after Win 3.11 I've used Win 95, Win 98, Win XP and now Win 7.
(skipped ME and Vista I've never used a registry cleaner of any kind. My
computers have always run just fine thank you very much.

Use one. Don't use one. Makes me no nevermind.

Probably shouldn't be giving people the idea that they are perfectly safe
and provide great benefit. Undeniable irrefutable history says that's simply
not the case.
D

Saying it with great conviction doesn't make it so...

  #26  
Old July 19th 09, 12:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Marianne[_2_]
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Posts: 55
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Twayne" wrote in message
...
"Marianne" wrote in message

What a fscking blithering idiot! You don't have a closed mind, you're
closed at the other end and it's coming out of your ears sideways! You
don't know anything about the registry and you repeatedly stick
both feet in your mouth every time you talk about it, why don't you
just STFU and stop it with your idiotic rambling! The last thing
"New Users" need is stupid registry advice from a troll like you!


YOu're quite wrong; what they need is real data, not sock-puppets like you
who have never had an original thought.


Only a dipstick like you would ever think of commercial adverts from snake
oil salesmen as factual data! Turn the vise screw a bit tighter, you
b-o-o-b!

M


  #27  
Old July 19th 09, 12:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Marianne[_2_]
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Posts: 55
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

Twayne" wrote in message
...
"Marianne" wrote in message

What a fscking blithering idiot! You don't have a closed mind, you're
closed at the other end and it's coming out of your ears sideways! You
don't know anything about the registry and you repeatedly stick
both feet in your mouth every time you talk about it, why don't you
just STFU and stop it with your idiotic rambling! The last thing
"New Users" need is stupid registry advice from a troll like you!


YOu're quite wrong; what they need is real data, not sock-puppets like you
who have never had an original thought.


Only a dipstick like you would ever think of commercial adverts from snake
oil salesmen as factual data! Turn the vise screw a bit tighter, you
b-o-o-b!

M


  #28  
Old July 19th 09, 08:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Twayne[_2_]
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Posts: 4,276
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

"Doug" wrote in message

....


I've been participating in Usenet groups and other computer related
forums for a lot of years. BBS's since before the WWW. Long before
the Windows registry anyway.

I can't even begin to count the number of posts I've read that follow
some form of "I used some software name here registry cleaner and
now some computer function here doesn't work anymore. How do I get
my computer back to the way it was?"

I have never seen one, with the exception of obvious spam, where the
individual spoke of a measurable performance increase. Of course
there's always the occasional person who is just really really
excited about registry cleaners for some odd reason.

I am able to reach a conclusion about registry cleaners based on
years of data. They obviously and undeniably can do more harm than
good.
Logic would also conclude that these tools are most often sought
after by individuals least capable of safely using them. That is to
say those looking for a "one click fix" are more likely to have
insufficient knowledge to understand the ramifications of changes a
registry cleaner may make than those who would, say, use regedit to
properly fix an actual known problem.
Anecdotally after Win 3.11 I've used Win 95, Win 98, Win XP and now
Win 7. (skipped ME and Vista I've never used a registry cleaner of
any kind. My computers have always run just fine thank you very much.

Use one. Don't use one. Makes me no nevermind.

Probably shouldn't be giving people the idea that they are perfectly
safe and provide great benefit. Undeniable irrefutable history says
that's simply not the case.
D

Saying it with great conviction doesn't make it so...


Hi Doug,

That's a well thought out, well assembled post; just thought I'd add a
comment here, not that anyone but the fanatics are still readingg.
I'm of the camp that registry cleaners CAN be useful and I fully
admit to being the one who constantly picks on those I find to have
completely closed minds on the issue and wish to make anyone they
possibly can avoid and hate registry cleaners via "snake oil" titles and
all the rest of it.
I have essentially the same background as you, going back to the CP/M
days and probably many of the same experiences. I've no problem with
your reasoned opinion on cleaners and think if nothing else it's likely
quite honest opinion. That's fine.

In my case I have found that the registry cleaners I have used on
production and client machines has done them no harm. In fact, such
cleaners create far fewer problems in my experience than the majority of
other Microsoft applications. I don't believe they are any more prone
to irrepairable damage to a system than is any other program
installation or uninstallation. If I actually said "ALL" are safe, I
shouldn't have, but it's more likely the "they all" was in response to
something previously qualified in the post.

At any rate, it's fine with me that you don't use a cleaner, and it's
none of my business anyway. What I DO object to, and react to, are the
statements made, which you can find plenty of on most any group on
MSnews, is claiming that ALL registry cleaners are "snake oil", none are
any good, all will cause unrepairable harm to a system, and all are
capable of bringing a system to a non-bootable state, along with the
condescending attitudes they use against those that don't know any
better, and the put-downs they address to anyone who even asks a
question about the subject. Then they offer "proof" (less so lately) by
sending people containing posts that they themselves wrote. It's even
worse that some of them claim to be MVPs.
They're a small group of people with few interpersonal skills and
terrible communications skillsets. I don't "report" them because that's
not how I operate; libel and defamation will catch up to them or it
won't; not worth the trouble IMO. But, as in any such situation, when I
come across such intentional and willful misinformation I respond to it.
In the sense of information I consider them warts on the ass of
progress. By being so closed minded although bereft of supporting
information, it brings all of their credibility into question.

Well, break's over; on to more important things.

Twayne


  #29  
Old July 19th 09, 08:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Twayne[_2_]
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Posts: 4,276
Default Newly Updated Chart of Registry Cleaner Reviews!

"Doug" wrote in message

....


I've been participating in Usenet groups and other computer related
forums for a lot of years. BBS's since before the WWW. Long before
the Windows registry anyway.

I can't even begin to count the number of posts I've read that follow
some form of "I used some software name here registry cleaner and
now some computer function here doesn't work anymore. How do I get
my computer back to the way it was?"

I have never seen one, with the exception of obvious spam, where the
individual spoke of a measurable performance increase. Of course
there's always the occasional person who is just really really
excited about registry cleaners for some odd reason.

I am able to reach a conclusion about registry cleaners based on
years of data. They obviously and undeniably can do more harm than
good.
Logic would also conclude that these tools are most often sought
after by individuals least capable of safely using them. That is to
say those looking for a "one click fix" are more likely to have
insufficient knowledge to understand the ramifications of changes a
registry cleaner may make than those who would, say, use regedit to
properly fix an actual known problem.
Anecdotally after Win 3.11 I've used Win 95, Win 98, Win XP and now
Win 7. (skipped ME and Vista I've never used a registry cleaner of
any kind. My computers have always run just fine thank you very much.

Use one. Don't use one. Makes me no nevermind.

Probably shouldn't be giving people the idea that they are perfectly
safe and provide great benefit. Undeniable irrefutable history says
that's simply not the case.
D

Saying it with great conviction doesn't make it so...


Hi Doug,

That's a well thought out, well assembled post; just thought I'd add a
comment here, not that anyone but the fanatics are still readingg.
I'm of the camp that registry cleaners CAN be useful and I fully
admit to being the one who constantly picks on those I find to have
completely closed minds on the issue and wish to make anyone they
possibly can avoid and hate registry cleaners via "snake oil" titles and
all the rest of it.
I have essentially the same background as you, going back to the CP/M
days and probably many of the same experiences. I've no problem with
your reasoned opinion on cleaners and think if nothing else it's likely
quite honest opinion. That's fine.

In my case I have found that the registry cleaners I have used on
production and client machines has done them no harm. In fact, such
cleaners create far fewer problems in my experience than the majority of
other Microsoft applications. I don't believe they are any more prone
to irrepairable damage to a system than is any other program
installation or uninstallation. If I actually said "ALL" are safe, I
shouldn't have, but it's more likely the "they all" was in response to
something previously qualified in the post.

At any rate, it's fine with me that you don't use a cleaner, and it's
none of my business anyway. What I DO object to, and react to, are the
statements made, which you can find plenty of on most any group on
MSnews, is claiming that ALL registry cleaners are "snake oil", none are
any good, all will cause unrepairable harm to a system, and all are
capable of bringing a system to a non-bootable state, along with the
condescending attitudes they use against those that don't know any
better, and the put-downs they address to anyone who even asks a
question about the subject. Then they offer "proof" (less so lately) by
sending people containing posts that they themselves wrote. It's even
worse that some of them claim to be MVPs.
They're a small group of people with few interpersonal skills and
terrible communications skillsets. I don't "report" them because that's
not how I operate; libel and defamation will catch up to them or it
won't; not worth the trouble IMO. But, as in any such situation, when I
come across such intentional and willful misinformation I respond to it.
In the sense of information I consider them warts on the ass of
progress. By being so closed minded although bereft of supporting
information, it brings all of their credibility into question.

Well, break's over; on to more important things.

Twayne


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Old July 20th 09, 12:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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"Twayne" wrote in message
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"Doug" wrote in message

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I've been participating in Usenet groups and other computer related
forums for a lot of years. BBS's since before the WWW. Long before
the Windows registry anyway.

I can't even begin to count the number of posts I've read that follow
some form of "I used some software name here registry cleaner and
now some computer function here doesn't work anymore. How do I get
my computer back to the way it was?"

I have never seen one, with the exception of obvious spam, where the
individual spoke of a measurable performance increase. Of course
there's always the occasional person who is just really really
excited about registry cleaners for some odd reason.

I am able to reach a conclusion about registry cleaners based on
years of data. They obviously and undeniably can do more harm than
good.
Logic would also conclude that these tools are most often sought
after by individuals least capable of safely using them. That is to
say those looking for a "one click fix" are more likely to have
insufficient knowledge to understand the ramifications of changes a
registry cleaner may make than those who would, say, use regedit to
properly fix an actual known problem.
Anecdotally after Win 3.11 I've used Win 95, Win 98, Win XP and now
Win 7. (skipped ME and Vista I've never used a registry cleaner of
any kind. My computers have always run just fine thank you very much.

Use one. Don't use one. Makes me no nevermind.

Probably shouldn't be giving people the idea that they are perfectly
safe and provide great benefit. Undeniable irrefutable history says
that's simply not the case.
D

Saying it with great conviction doesn't make it so...


Hi Doug,

That's a well thought out, well assembled post; just thought I'd add a
comment here, not that anyone but the fanatics are still readingg.
I'm of the camp that registry cleaners CAN be useful and I fully admit
to being the one who constantly picks on those I find to have completely
closed minds on the issue and wish to make anyone they possibly can avoid
and hate registry cleaners via "snake oil" titles and all the rest of it.
I have essentially the same background as you, going back to the CP/M
days and probably many of the same experiences. I've no problem with your
reasoned opinion on cleaners and think if nothing else it's likely quite
honest opinion. That's fine.

In my case I have found that the registry cleaners I have used on
production and client machines has done them no harm. In fact, such
cleaners create far fewer problems in my experience than the majority of
other Microsoft applications. I don't believe they are any more prone to
irrepairable damage to a system than is any other program installation or
uninstallation. If I actually said "ALL" are safe, I shouldn't have, but
it's more likely the "they all" was in response to something previously
qualified in the post.

At any rate, it's fine with me that you don't use a cleaner, and it's none
of my business anyway. What I DO object to, and react to, are the
statements made, which you can find plenty of on most any group on MSnews,
is claiming that ALL registry cleaners are "snake oil", none are any good,
all will cause unrepairable harm to a system, and all are capable of
bringing a system to a non-bootable state, along with the condescending
attitudes they use against those that don't know any better, and the
put-downs they address to anyone who even asks a question about the
subject. Then they offer "proof" (less so lately) by sending people
containing posts that they themselves wrote. It's even worse that some of
them claim to be MVPs.
They're a small group of people with few interpersonal skills and
terrible communications skillsets. I don't "report" them because that's
not how I operate; libel and defamation will catch up to them or it won't;
not worth the trouble IMO. But, as in any such situation, when I come
across such intentional and willful misinformation I respond to it. In the
sense of information I consider them warts on the ass of progress. By
being so closed minded although bereft of supporting information, it
brings all of their credibility into question.

Well, break's over; on to more important things.

Twayne




One of the funniest things that I have read all week. The guy takes the
exact opposite stance to you but that is ok..

Then you slag off MVPs, all of whom take the stance that this guy does..

I will keep a copy of all of this..

--

Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 




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