Win7 Updates - KB2952664?

On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 15:01:11 -0700, wrote:

Running Win 7, 64bit. I had two updates offered today, one was KB2952664 -
Anyone know what this update really does? Sounds like it's trying to set you up
to upgrade to Win10?

Thanks for any insights/recommendations?

https://www.askwoody.com/2016/win-7-8-1-customers-getting-hit-by-the-old-kb-2952664-get-windows-10-telemetry-patch/

quote

SECOND UPDATE: Microsoft reached out to me with a statement that

There is no Get Windows 10 or upgrade functionality contained in this
update. This KB article is related to the Windows Update and the
appraiser systems that enables us to continue to deliver servicing
updates to Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 devices, as well as ensure device
and application compatibility.

/quote

--
s|b

On Sat, 8 Oct 2016 14:51:50 -0400, Wolf K wrote:

I'm sorry, I didn't make a note. It's function was mentioned in More
Information (which I always check for optional updates).

Windows Updates View update history

--
s|b

Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-08 11:31, s|b wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 15:01:11 -0700, wrote:

Running Win 7, 64bit. I had two updates offered today, one was
KB2952664 -
Anyone know what this update really does? Sounds like it's trying to
set you up
to upgrade to Win10?

Thanks for any insights/recommendations?

https://www.askwoody.com/2016/win-7-8-1-customers-getting-hit-by-the-old-kb-2952664-get-windows-10-telemetry-patch/


quote

SECOND UPDATE: Microsoft reached out to me with a statement that

There is no Get Windows 10 or upgrade functionality contained in this
update. This KB article is related to the Windows Update and the
appraiser systems that enables us to continue to deliver servicing
updates to Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 devices, as well as ensure device
and application compatibility.

/quote

One of the optional updates I installed last night actually removed all
Get Win10 bits. I guess because the free offer is done.


But it doesn't removed 2352664.

And it's funny that Windows 7 now needs an Appraiser system :-\

Paul

On 10/9/2016 8:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-09 20:34, Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664 offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/
Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it: 3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

TIA,
Mike

On 10/27/2016 1:21 AM, Mike S wrote:
On 10/9/2016 8:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-09 20:34, Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664 offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it: 3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

TIA,
Mike


I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a royal pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

Thip wrote:
On 10/27/2016 1:21 AM, Mike S wrote:
On 10/9/2016 8:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-09 20:34, Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664 offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it: 3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

TIA,
Mike


I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a royal pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

I hope you noticed that Blackbird hasn't been updated since July 26,
2016. Also, now that M$ has moved to cumulative updates, I'm sure that
BB doesn't take care of telemetry updates that are bundled in the
cumulatives.

--
John Corliss

"John Corliss" wrote in message ...

Thip wrote:
On 10/27/2016 1:21 AM, Mike S wrote:
On 10/9/2016 8:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-09 20:34, Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664 offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it: 3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

TIA,
Mike


I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a royal
pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

I hope you noticed that Blackbird hasn't been updated since July 26,
2016. Also, now that M$ has moved to cumulative updates, I'm sure that
BB doesn't take care of telemetry updates that are bundled in the
cumulatives.

--
John Corliss

I know, but what other option do I have?

Thip wrote:
"John Corliss" wrote in message ...
Thip wrote:
Mike S wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664 offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it: 3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a royal
pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

I hope you noticed that Blackbird hasn't been updated since July 26,
2016. Also, now that M$ has moved to cumulative updates, I'm sure that
BB doesn't take care of telemetry updates that are bundled in the
cumulatives.

I know, but what other option do I have?

Frankly, none thanks to M$'s maneuver. That is, other than completely
turning off WU and removing all the cumulative updates. You could do
this in any event:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/tur...ience-program/

to eliminate some of the telemetry.

--
John Corliss

On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:48:31 -0700, John Corliss wrote:

Thip wrote:

I know, but what other option do I have?

Frankly, none thanks to M$'s maneuver. That is, other than completely
turning off WU and removing all the cumulative updates. You could do
this in any event:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/tur...ience-program/

to eliminate some of the telemetry.

Thanks for the link. At this point my trust level for Microsoft is so
low that I wouldn't be surprised if some future updates change your
value of this setting, or simply ignore it. Still, it's something we
can do for the time.

I think, for about the last 15 months, the single most serious threat
to the continued smooth running of my computers has been Windows
Updates.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote:
John Corliss wrote:
Thip wrote:

I know, but what other option do I have?

Frankly, none thanks to M$'s maneuver. That is, other than completely
turning off WU and removing all the cumulative updates. You could do
this in any event:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/tur...ience-program/

to eliminate some of the telemetry.

Thanks for the link. At this point my trust level for Microsoft is so
low that I wouldn't be surprised if some future updates change your
value of this setting, or simply ignore it. Still, it's something we
can do for the time.

I think, for about the last 15 months, the single most serious threat
to the continued smooth running of my computers has been Windows
Updates.

And that's exactly as M$ wants it. They want you to use W10, not W7 or
W8.1. Now they're pushing something that I have a great interest in,
virtual reality. Ever since I saw Keano Reeves using such a UI in the
movie "Johnny Mnemonic" (1995), I've believed that this is the future of
computing.

Unless something similar appears in the Linux or BSD communities, I'll
be forced to consider W10, which... well, this is how I feel about it:

http://i.imgur.com/iSL7CWs.gif

--
John Corliss

On 10/28/2016 2:48 AM, John Corliss wrote:
Thip wrote:
"John Corliss" wrote in message ...
Thip wrote:
Mike S wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664 offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it: 3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a royal
pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

I hope you noticed that Blackbird hasn't been updated since July 26,
2016. Also, now that M$ has moved to cumulative updates, I'm sure that
BB doesn't take care of telemetry updates that are bundled in the
cumulatives.

I know, but what other option do I have?

Frankly, none thanks to M$'s maneuver. That is, other than completely
turning off WU and removing all the cumulative updates. You could do
this in any event:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/tur...ience-program/

to eliminate some of the telemetry.

I turned off WU and am installing updates manually, it's slow but clean.
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that before.

Mike S wrote:
On 10/28/2016 2:48 AM, John Corliss wrote:
Thip wrote:
"John Corliss" wrote in message ...
Thip wrote:
Mike S wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664 offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it: 3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a royal
pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

I hope you noticed that Blackbird hasn't been updated since July 26,
2016. Also, now that M$ has moved to cumulative updates, I'm sure that
BB doesn't take care of telemetry updates that are bundled in the
cumulatives.

I know, but what other option do I have?

Frankly, none thanks to M$'s maneuver. That is, other than completely
turning off WU and removing all the cumulative updates. You could do
this in any event:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/tur...ience-program/

to eliminate some of the telemetry.

I turned off WU and am installing updates manually, it's slow but clean.
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that before.

But how do you get around the bundling of updates (AKA "Cumulative
updates") which often include unwanted "features"? With them, you have
to take the good with the bad.

--
John Corliss

"John Corliss" wrote in message
...
Mike S wrote:
On 10/28/2016 2:48 AM, John Corliss wrote:
Thip wrote:
"John Corliss" wrote in message ...
Thip wrote:
Mike S wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what
was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664
offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement
Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may
be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility
for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating
system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year
old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it:
3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates
that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I
have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a
royal
pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

I hope you noticed that Blackbird hasn't been updated since July 26,
2016. Also, now that M$ has moved to cumulative updates, I'm sure that
BB doesn't take care of telemetry updates that are bundled in the
cumulatives.

I know, but what other option do I have?

Frankly, none thanks to M$'s maneuver. That is, other than completely
turning off WU and removing all the cumulative updates. You could do
this in any event:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/tur...ience-program/

to eliminate some of the telemetry.

I turned off WU and am installing updates manually, it's slow but clean.
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that before.

But how do you get around the bundling of updates (AKA "Cumulative
updates") which often include unwanted "features"? With them, you have
to take the good with the bad.

--
John Corliss

I just checked. Blackbird is being updated but no release date.

"John Corliss" wrote in message
...
Mike S wrote:
On 10/28/2016 2:48 AM, John Corliss wrote:
Thip wrote:
"John Corliss" wrote in message ...
Thip wrote:
Mike S wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what
was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664
offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement
Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may
be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.
This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility
for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating
system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year
old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it:
3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates
that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I
have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a
royal
pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

I hope you noticed that Blackbird hasn't been updated since July 26,
2016. Also, now that M$ has moved to cumulative updates, I'm sure that
BB doesn't take care of telemetry updates that are bundled in the
cumulatives.

I know, but what other option do I have?

Frankly, none thanks to M$'s maneuver. That is, other than completely
turning off WU and removing all the cumulative updates. You could do
this in any event:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/tur...ience-program/

to eliminate some of the telemetry.

I turned off WU and am installing updates manually, it's slow but clean.
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that before.

But how do you get around the bundling of updates (AKA "Cumulative
updates") which often include unwanted "features"? With them, you have
to take the good with the bad.

--
John Corliss

It's gonna be a minute. According to his FB page, it's still in alpha,
but....

http://www.ilovefreesoftware.com/16/...e-privacy.html

On 10/29/2016 2:19 AM, John Corliss wrote:
Mike S wrote:
On 10/28/2016 2:48 AM, John Corliss wrote:
Thip wrote:
"John Corliss" wrote in message ...
Thip wrote:
Mike S wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
Wolf K wrote:
No updates here since March 10, so this afternoon I installed what was
offered (89 "important" plus 2 of 5 optional). No KB29522664 offered,
and none installed previously. So who's being hit?

Optional KB23976978 is described thus:
"This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that
participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program.
These diagnostics help determine whether compatibility issues may be
encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This
update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for
customers who want to install the latest Windows operating system."

I did not install it.

The following link was in another thread (maybe also NG), a year old but
still relevant, I'd think:
http://arstechnica.com/information-t...o-windows-7-8/

Went there, and uninstalled 3 of the 4 KBs mentioned in it: 3022345,
3068708, 3080149, 3075249 (not present here). No problems (so far).
Feel slightly less exposed now. :-)
But I wonder which KBs have replaced the ones listed.

It's still relevant to me, I just installed w7 on a machine and will
keep it that way, thanks.

Do you know if anyone has compiled a list of non-telemetry updates that
are recommended for w7 64 bit? I want to install all of the security
related patches, but avoid the telemetry as much as possible.

I have GWX Control Panel running but I *enabled* W10 updates just in
case they try to get tricky again. As far as other updates go, I have a
list that is no longer comprehensive, but when I do update, I
immediately run Blackbird afterward. So far, so good, but what a royal
pain.
http://www.getblackbird.net/

I hope you noticed that Blackbird hasn't been updated since July 26,
2016. Also, now that M$ has moved to cumulative updates, I'm sure that
BB doesn't take care of telemetry updates that are bundled in the
cumulatives.

I know, but what other option do I have?

Frankly, none thanks to M$'s maneuver. That is, other than completely
turning off WU and removing all the cumulative updates. You could do
this in any event:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/tur...ience-program/

to eliminate some of the telemetry.

I turned off WU and am installing updates manually, it's slow but clean.
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen that before.

But how do you get around the bundling of updates (AKA "Cumulative
updates") which often include unwanted "features"? With them, you have
to take the good with the bad.

I'm hoping I can install the bundle then uninstall the individuals I
don't want.

I found a partial listing of non-telemetry updates here
http://www.overclock.net/t/1587577/w...ions-telemetry