OK to install October updates?

Microsoft's October rollup updates have been available for almost two
weeks, and a newsletter I subscribe to says they're OK to install now.
Has anyone had trouble with any of them? The updates I'm being offered are

KB3188740 for .NET Framework 3.5.1
KB3185330, the monthly "quality" rollup for W7 x64-based systems
KB890830, the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool for W7 x64

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Thank you,
Jo-Anne

Jo-Anne wrote:
Microsoft's October rollup updates have been available for almost two
weeks, and a newsletter I subscribe to says they're OK to install now.
Has anyone had trouble with any of them? The updates I'm being offered are

KB3188740 for .NET Framework 3.5.1
KB3185330, the monthly "quality" rollup for W7 x64-based systems
KB890830, the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool for W7 x64


I did it and then uninstalled KB3185330. Since then there is a Windows
log that CCleaner can't clean and one cannot open it to see what's being
logged from the Hosts file. Me no like.

--
Z.

Jo-Anne wrote:

Microsoft's October rollup updates have been available for almost two
weeks, and a newsletter I subscribe to says they're OK to install
now. Has anyone had trouble with any of them? The updates I'm being
offered are

KB3188740 for .NET Framework 3.5.1
KB3185330, the monthly "quality" rollup for W7 x64-based systems
KB890830, the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool for W7 x64

The one you do NOT want is:

October 2016 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 SP1 and
Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3192403

That is a *preview* of updates to be released NEXT month. Haven't a
clue why Microsoft is so obvious in using their customers as unpaid
voluntary beta testers. However, a lot of users never bother to review
or research an offered update and instead take everything shoved at
them. Hell, there are still lots of users that leave automatic updating
enabled for Windows Update so they don't know that the state of their
computer has been changed and then report "suddenly something happened
and I didn't change anything." Yes they did. They granted permission
for someone else to change their setup.

9 days ago I installed the 3 you mentioned. The MSRT never installs.
All it does is download, run, and delete itself if no malware was found
by it. I've not noticed any problems with my setup since then.

I have not enountered a problem using CCleaner after applying KB3185330
that Z mentioned. I was at version 5.22.5724. That ran fine after the
KB3185330 update. I just upgraded to 5.23.5808. That runs fine, too.
Don't know what Z was trying to say with "logged from the Hosts file".
That is a static file of hostname to IP address lookups, and it is not a
log file.

VanguardLH wrote:

9 days ago I installed the 3 you mentioned. The MSRT never installs.
All it does is download, run, and delete itself if no malware was found
by it. I've not noticed any problems with my setup since then.

MSRT should stick around. You can run it manually if you
want, at a later date. It has options to do a Quick
or a Full scan. At Windows Update install time, it does
a Quick scan and then quietly exits. But you can use
it later. Why you'd use it, I don't know, but it's
sitting there. You would need to catch something
which was common, for it to do anything. I don't think
I've ever read a report of someone finding something
with MRT.exe.

*******

As for KB3185330, I'm no longer interested in analyzing
these things. If they want to serve up Cumulatives,
they can give them to someone else, not me :-(

If my Win7 tips over, because it wasn't patched, "tough"
is my answer.

If they want to screw up Win10, fine, I don't depend on that.
But I can't let them mess up the OSes I actually use.

Paul

Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

9 days ago I installed the 3 you mentioned. The MSRT never installs.
All it does is download, run, and delete itself if no malware was found
by it. I've not noticed any problems with my setup since then.

MSRT should stick around. You can run it manually if you
want, at a later date. It has options to do a Quick
or a Full scan. At Windows Update install time, it does
a Quick scan and then quietly exits. But you can use
it later. Why you'd use it, I don't know, but it's
sitting there. You would need to catch something
which was common, for it to do anything. I don't think
I've ever read a report of someone finding something
with MRT.exe.

*******

As for KB3185330, I'm no longer interested in analyzing
these things. If they want to serve up Cumulatives,
they can give them to someone else, not me :-(

If my Win7 tips over, because it wasn't patched, "tough"
is my answer.

If they want to screw up Win10, fine, I don't depend on that.
But I can't let them mess up the OSes I actually use.

There have been reports about problems with the KB3185330 update, like:

https://www.askwoody.com/2016/report...using-lockups/

I couldn't quite figure out what Z was trying to say; however, as far as
CCleaner is concerned, I've had no problems with that program since
applying KB3185330. I also have not had the lockup programs reported in
the AskWoody article.

ANY update from Microsoft, anti-virus vendor, hardware driver, et cetera
can cause new problems. Backups are important.

VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

9 days ago I installed the 3 you mentioned. The MSRT never installs.
All it does is download, run, and delete itself if no malware was found
by it. I've not noticed any problems with my setup since then.

MSRT should stick around. You can run it manually if you
want, at a later date. It has options to do a Quick
or a Full scan. At Windows Update install time, it does
a Quick scan and then quietly exits. But you can use
it later. Why you'd use it, I don't know, but it's
sitting there. You would need to catch something
which was common, for it to do anything. I don't think
I've ever read a report of someone finding something
with MRT.exe.

*******

As for KB3185330, I'm no longer interested in analyzing
these things. If they want to serve up Cumulatives,
they can give them to someone else, not me :-(

If my Win7 tips over, because it wasn't patched, "tough"
is my answer.

If they want to screw up Win10, fine, I don't depend on that.
But I can't let them mess up the OSes I actually use.

There have been reports about problems with the KB3185330 update, like:

https://www.askwoody.com/2016/report...using-lockups/

I couldn't quite figure out what Z was trying to say; however, as far as
CCleaner is concerned, I've had no problems with that program since
applying KB3185330. I also have not had the lockup programs reported in
the AskWoody article.

ANY update from Microsoft, anti-virus vendor, hardware driver, et cetera
can cause new problems. Backups are important.


The file that CCleaner can't delete is in
C;/User/Me/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/WebCache and the file is
called V01.log. If I delete it manually or with CCleaner, it keeps
coming back. When I open it, there is a bunch of zeros, thousands of
them. It's size is 512KB.

--
Z.

Z. wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

9 days ago I installed the 3 you mentioned. The MSRT never installs.
All it does is download, run, and delete itself if no malware was found
by it. I've not noticed any problems with my setup since then.

MSRT should stick around. You can run it manually if you
want, at a later date. It has options to do a Quick
or a Full scan. At Windows Update install time, it does
a Quick scan and then quietly exits. But you can use
it later. Why you'd use it, I don't know, but it's
sitting there. You would need to catch something
which was common, for it to do anything. I don't think
I've ever read a report of someone finding something
with MRT.exe.

*******

As for KB3185330, I'm no longer interested in analyzing
these things. If they want to serve up Cumulatives,
they can give them to someone else, not me :-(

If my Win7 tips over, because it wasn't patched, "tough"
is my answer.

If they want to screw up Win10, fine, I don't depend on that.
But I can't let them mess up the OSes I actually use.

There have been reports about problems with the KB3185330 update, like:

https://www.askwoody.com/2016/report...using-lockups/


I couldn't quite figure out what Z was trying to say; however, as far as
CCleaner is concerned, I've had no problems with that program since
applying KB3185330. I also have not had the lockup programs reported in
the AskWoody article.

ANY update from Microsoft, anti-virus vendor, hardware driver, et cetera
can cause new problems. Backups are important.


The file that CCleaner can't delete is in
C;/User/Me/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/WebCache and the file is
called V01.log. If I delete it manually or with CCleaner, it keeps
coming back. When I open it, there is a bunch of zeros, thousands of
them. It's size is 512KB.


See the bottom of this thread, for a picture of this
kind of log file. It's not really a log file, it's
part of a set of files of a database. You can see in
the picture, there are some file paths sprinkled
in that file.

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...g-v01-log.html

The article here, says that folder has a JET database
in it. And the .DAT file should really have
a file extension of .edb.

http://blog.nirsoft.net/2012/12/08/a...t-explorer-10/

There are a couple other .edb database files on the
computer, and they manage to have the right extension.
(One used for SoftwareDistribution, one used for
the Search Indexer).

The databases on Firefox are transient - when Firefox is
shut down, nothing is reading or writing the SQLITE3
databases.

But it's possible something still has the JET
database in that folder open, even if iexplore.exe
is not running.

The browser install on Windows has two purposes.
You can remove iexplore.exe, using Windows Features.
But there is also what I call "MSHTML" engine down
there, and that part cannot be removed. That's used
any time the desktop environment needs to interpret
HTML files. Maybe MSHTML still needs a cache, even
if iexplore.exe is not running.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(layout_engine)

Paul

Paul wrote:
Z. wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

9 days ago I installed the 3 you mentioned. The MSRT never installs.
All it does is download, run, and delete itself if no malware was
found
by it. I've not noticed any problems with my setup since then.

MSRT should stick around. You can run it manually if you
want, at a later date. It has options to do a Quick
or a Full scan. At Windows Update install time, it does
a Quick scan and then quietly exits. But you can use
it later. Why you'd use it, I don't know, but it's
sitting there. You would need to catch something
which was common, for it to do anything. I don't think
I've ever read a report of someone finding something
with MRT.exe.

*******

As for KB3185330, I'm no longer interested in analyzing
these things. If they want to serve up Cumulatives,
they can give them to someone else, not me :-(

If my Win7 tips over, because it wasn't patched, "tough"
is my answer.

If they want to screw up Win10, fine, I don't depend on that.
But I can't let them mess up the OSes I actually use.

There have been reports about problems with the KB3185330 update, like:

https://www.askwoody.com/2016/report...using-lockups/


I couldn't quite figure out what Z was trying to say; however, as far as
CCleaner is concerned, I've had no problems with that program since
applying KB3185330. I also have not had the lockup programs reported in
the AskWoody article.

ANY update from Microsoft, anti-virus vendor, hardware driver, et cetera
can cause new problems. Backups are important.


The file that CCleaner can't delete is in
C;/User/Me/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/WebCache and the file is
called V01.log. If I delete it manually or with CCleaner, it keeps
coming back. When I open it, there is a bunch of zeros, thousands of
them. It's size is 512KB.


See the bottom of this thread, for a picture of this
kind of log file. It's not really a log file, it's
part of a set of files of a database. You can see in
the picture, there are some file paths sprinkled
in that file.

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...g-v01-log.html


The article here, says that folder has a JET database
in it. And the .DAT file should really have
a file extension of .edb.

http://blog.nirsoft.net/2012/12/08/a...t-explorer-10/


There are a couple other .edb database files on the
computer, and they manage to have the right extension.
(One used for SoftwareDistribution, one used for
the Search Indexer).

The databases on Firefox are transient - when Firefox is
shut down, nothing is reading or writing the SQLITE3
databases.

But it's possible something still has the JET
database in that folder open, even if iexplore.exe
is not running.

The browser install on Windows has two purposes.
You can remove iexplore.exe, using Windows Features.
But there is also what I call "MSHTML" engine down
there, and that part cannot be removed. That's used
any time the desktop environment needs to interpret
HTML files. Maybe MSHTML still needs a cache, even
if iexplore.exe is not running.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_(layout_engine)

Paul

Way too complicated for me. Should I worry about it?

--
Z.

On 27/10/2016 17:50, Z. wrote:
Jo-Anne wrote:
Microsoft's October rollup updates have been available for almost two
weeks, and a newsletter I subscribe to says they're OK to install now.
Has anyone had trouble with any of them? The updates I'm being offered
are

KB3188740 for .NET Framework 3.5.1
KB3185330, the monthly "quality" rollup for W7 x64-based systems
KB890830, the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool for W7 x64


I did it and then uninstalled KB3185330. Since then there is a Windows
log that CCleaner can't clean and one cannot open it to see what's being
logged from the Hosts file. Me no like.


You don't like that sometimes windows has it's log files open?

OMG!

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:47:44 -0500
Jo-Anne wrote:

Microsoft's October rollup updates have been available for almost two
weeks, and a newsletter I subscribe to says they're OK to install
now. Has anyone had trouble with any of them?

Why do you subscribe to a newsletter you do not believe???

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/10/2016 17:50, Z. wrote:
Jo-Anne wrote:
Microsoft's October rollup updates have been available for almost two
weeks, and a newsletter I subscribe to says they're OK to install now.
Has anyone had trouble with any of them? The updates I'm being offered
are

KB3188740 for .NET Framework 3.5.1
KB3185330, the monthly "quality" rollup for W7 x64-based systems
KB890830, the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool for W7 x64


I did it and then uninstalled KB3185330. Since then there is a Windows
log that CCleaner can't clean and one cannot open it to see what's being
logged from the Hosts file. Me no like.


You don't like that sometimes windows has it's log files open?

OMG!


No. I don't like the fact that CCleaner can't delete it and it can't be
deleted manually.

--
Z.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:25:08 -0500, VanguardLH wrotG:

Jo-Anne wrote:


The one you do NOT want is:

October 2016 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 SP1 and
Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3192403

That is a *preview* of updates to be released NEXT month. Haven't a
clue why Microsoft is so obvious in using their customers as unpaid
voluntary beta testers. However, a lot of users never bother to review
or research an offered update and instead take everything shoved at
them. Hell, there are still lots of users that leave automatic updating
enabled for Windows Update so they don't know that the state of their
computer has been changed and then report "suddenly something happened
and I didn't change anything." Yes they did. They granted permission
for someone else to change their setup.

9 days ago I installed the 3 you mentioned. The MSRT never installs.
All it does is download, run, and delete itself if no malware was found
by it. I've not noticed any problems with my setup since then.

I have not enountered a problem using CCleaner after applying KB3185330
that Z mentioned. I was at version 5.22.5724. That ran fine after the
KB3185330 update. I just upgraded to 5.23.5808. That runs fine, too.
Don't know what Z was trying to say with "logged from the Hosts file".
That is a static file of hostname to IP address lookups, and it is not a
log file.

I uninstalled this one. It screwed up one of my toolbars. I have a
link to the links on my IE favorites bar. Then would no longer open
automatically when I clicked on them. Instead, I got a dialogue box
to open the url.

Z. wrote:


Way too complicated for me. Should I worry about it?

You can delete it, but it's only going to
come back. With 512K of more zeros :-)

The purpose of cleaning these things, is to prevent
tracking, not to save space.

Apparently that DAT file *can* grow to 8GB, if you
leave it for long enough. In which case, you would
be removing it to save space.

But if you're deleting the folder contents once
a day, it's just as part of an anti-tracking
strategy. Some people like to remove absolutely
everything the browser writes to disk.

If I shop for sock on Amazon, shut down the
browser, start the browser, visit CNN and read
the news articles, I will see "sock adverts"
on the screen for decoration. That's what I mean
by anti-tracking. You want to do whatever is
necessary, so you *don't* see adverts for socks
on CNN :-)

Paul

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/10/2016 17:50, Z. wrote:
Jo-Anne wrote:
Microsoft's October rollup updates have been available for almost two
weeks, and a newsletter I subscribe to says they're OK to install now.
Has anyone had trouble with any of them? The updates I'm being offered
are

KB3188740 for .NET Framework 3.5.1
KB3185330, the monthly "quality" rollup for W7 x64-based systems
KB890830, the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool for W7 x64


I did it and then uninstalled KB3185330. Since then there is a Windows
log that CCleaner can't clean and one cannot open it to see what's being
logged from the Hosts file. Me no like.


You don't like that sometimes windows has it's log files open?

OMG!


It's not a log file.

It's one of a cluster of files used to make
a JET database.

I wish Microsoft was a bit more careful
with the selection of file extensions.
They use .edb for their other JET databases,
and the .DAT in that folder should be .edb too.

The log file in question is filled with binary.
See picture at the bottom here. That's not a log.
And it should be using another file extension.
People expect .log files to be text, and delete-able.

V0100022.log
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-d...g-v01-log.html

Paul

Paul wrote:
Z. wrote:


Way too complicated for me. Should I worry about it?

You can delete it, but it's only going to
come back. With 512K of more zeros :-)

The purpose of cleaning these things, is to prevent
tracking, not to save space.

Apparently that DAT file *can* grow to 8GB, if you
leave it for long enough. In which case, you would
be removing it to save space.

But if you're deleting the folder contents once
a day, it's just as part of an anti-tracking
strategy. Some people like to remove absolutely
everything the browser writes to disk.

If I shop for sock on Amazon, shut down the
browser, start the browser, visit CNN and read
the news articles, I will see "sock adverts"
on the screen for decoration. That's what I mean
by anti-tracking. You want to do whatever is
necessary, so you *don't* see adverts for socks
on CNN :-)

Paul


Thanks, very helpful.

--
Z.