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  #16  
Old January 30th 04, 07:21 PM
Rifleman
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"Bubba" wrote in message
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No dumbbell....can you? BTW are you following all 563?


Which is why I have my newsreader is set to UNREAD messages only, dummy.


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Old January 30th 04, 08:01 PM
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I would have already read the OP. I am capable of maintaining continuity of
thought long enough to post my reply.

JAX

"Cerridwen" wrote in message
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JAX wrote:
Top posting is the default way in OE. I think it is the way it should
be done. I am "smart enough" to remember what the original post was.
I have blisters on my middle finger from scrolling down to see what
the reply is from those who bottom post. Sometimes, there is a 3Kb
response that only has only 3 words to say. Why go through all the
dribble leading up to those 3 words. I top post out of consideration
to others who care to read the response, not re-read all the other
thread in it's entirety.

JAX



To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who answeres a
question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another way; imagine a PC
magazine Q&A section - they don't print the questions before the answers -
there'd be an outcry if they did!

People who top-post are too lazy to snip, IMNSHO. And to say it's out of
"consideration" is complete ********, and you know it. People have to

scroll
down to see what the original question was!

You're just too damned lazy to snip, admit it.




  #18  
Old January 30th 04, 09:01 PM
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Many of us also have our newsreader set to "Group Messages as =
Conversations". So there is somewhat of an order for messages in a =
thread. Which makes reading messages that were made using "bottom =
posting" take up more time than it should.=20

Many people in this thread have mentioned that people can Edit the news =
messages, delete the old text from the original message and subsequent =
replies, and keep the thread "Lean & Mean". The problem for is that many =
don't. I have seen the size of a MS News Message in "TEXT" format grow =
from one kilobyte (1KB), to over a ten kilobyte (10kb) one. There is no =
need for that, especially when the bulk of the size for message is not =
even related to the "Subject Line:" of the original message/post. The =
problem is many people go "Off-topic", I would suggest if a person has =
no solution/suggestion for original poster or question for help, move on =
to the next message, and don't add to the thread.

And with "Top Posting", it is easier for the sender to write his/her =
reply to a previous message, followed by the 'text' of the message =
that's being replied to. Then the rest of the 'text' in the reply =
message can be highlighted, than deleted, to save bandwidth. =20

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Add MS News Server to your OE with news://msnews.microsoft.com/

Rich/rerat

(RRR News) message rule

"Cerridwen" wrote in message =
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Rifleman wrote:
"mrtee" wrote in message
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In line.

Snipped to Save Bandwith

This group has well over *1,000* posts a day. Are you saying you keep
ALL these visible in your newsreader? You must be nuts.


They're Yanks...need I say more...? eg


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Old January 31st 04, 12:21 AM
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Well, I suppose, since you say so. =20

What difference does it make, I can see the entire thread that way and =
not just bits & pieces. =20

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"Rifleman" wrote in message =
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| This group has well over *1,000* posts a day. Are you saying you keep =
ALL
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  #20  
Old January 31st 04, 11:01 AM
Box134
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Bruce Chambers top posts. How do you explain that? Whatever Bruce does is
good enough for me.

"Cerridwen" wrote in message
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To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who answeres a
question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another way; imagine a PC
magazine Q&A section - they don't print the questions before the answers -
there'd be an outcry if they did!




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Old January 31st 04, 11:21 AM
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"Box134" wrote in message
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Bruce Chambers top posts. How do you explain that? Whatever Bruce does is
good enough for me.


Brown nose.


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Old January 31st 04, 11:21 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that bottom-posting advocates have very short
memories, and therefore they are incapable of posting without first
re-reading every line of every post in the thread. And they always trot out
that specious answer/question thing. After all, isn't there a quiz show
where you have to provide a question for an answer? That should be case
closed!

"JAX" wrote in message
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I would have already read the OP. I am capable of maintaining continuity

of
thought long enough to post my reply.




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Old January 31st 04, 12:41 PM
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"Box134" wrote in message
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I've come to the conclusion that bottom-posting advocates have very short
memories, and therefore they are incapable of posting without first
re-reading every line of every post in the thread. And they always trot

out
that specious answer/question thing. After all, isn't there a quiz show
where you have to provide a question for an answer? That should be case
closed!

"JAX" wrote in message
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I would have already read the OP. I am capable of maintaining continuity

of
thought long enough to post my reply.





Read a book bottom up, do you?


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Old January 31st 04, 12:41 PM
David Candy
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Most of us have newsreaders that thread. Use View menu - Current View - =
Group Messages By Conversation. Then you won't need to read the messages =
twice.

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http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"Rifleman" wrote in message =
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"Box134" wrote in message
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I've come to the conclusion that bottom-posting advocates have very =

short
memories, and therefore they are incapable of posting without first
re-reading every line of every post in the thread. And they always =

trot
out
that specious answer/question thing. After all, isn't there a quiz =

show
where you have to provide a question for an answer? That should be =

case
closed!

"JAX" wrote in message
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I would have already read the OP. I am capable of maintaining =

continuity
of
thought long enough to post my reply.




=20
Read a book bottom up, do you?
=20
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Old January 31st 04, 07:41 PM
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Greetings --

Actually, the reason I prefer reading top-posted responses is that
all too many (as in the overwhelming majority - somewhere in the
neighborhood of 90%, the last time I bothered to count) bottom-posters
are also "too lazy to snip." In the longer threads, scrolling down
through line upon line upon line of previously read material to find
only a four word response is simply too tedious and time consuming for
my taste.

But, as I said (or actually implied, really) to each his own.

Bruce Chambers

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http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Cerridwen" wrote in message
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To paraphrase Mr Spock "Top posting is illogical, Captain". Who

answeres a
question /before/ it's asked?! Or, to put it another way; imagine a

PC
magazine Q&A section - they don't print the questions before the

answers -
there'd be an outcry if they did!

People who top-post are too lazy to snip, IMNSHO. And to say it's

out of
"consideration" is complete ********, and you know it. People have

to scroll
down to see what the original question was!

You're just too damned lazy to snip, admit it.




  #26  
Old January 31st 04, 07:41 PM
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Greetings --

Thanks, but I don't intend to be anyone's role model. ;-}

Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Box134" wrote in message
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Bruce Chambers top posts. How do you explain that? Whatever Bruce

does is
good enough for me.



  #27  
Old January 31st 04, 07:41 PM
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Greetings --

And have you noticed how the "OP" hasn't responded to any of the
subsequent posts in this thread? Could it be that his/her sole intend
was to start a flame war, and we all fell for it?

Bruce Chambers

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http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Rifleman" wrote in message
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I think you'll find I was replying to another poster, not you.




  #28  
Old January 31st 04, 07:41 PM
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"David Candy" wrote in message
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Most of us have newsreaders that thread. Use View menu - Current View -
Group Messages By Conversation. Then you won't need to read the messages
twice.

So do I - read my headers. I still say - you don't read a book from the
bottom up.....and as this is a HIGH volume group, I DON'T display all the
read messages in one thread. Unfortunately OE doesn't have the capability,
unlike Netscape, Mozilla and Thunderbird, to display Threads with New
messages - it's either ALL messages or New messages only. Therefore, in a
HIGH volume group, you have to have a compromise view which where bottom
posting comes in as it means you can refresh your memory about the thread,
which may not be until the next day.


  #29  
Old January 31st 04, 07:41 PM
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No and neither do you most likely.
However I do use a bookmark so I do not need to read all the
previously read chapters to find where I am at.
A book is not really a good comparison.
I prefer top since what is new is on top and easy to read.
IF I want to know more, I can scroll down.
Otherwise, I need do nothing since what I want is front and center on
the screen.

There are valid reasons for both, however top posting seems easier and
it is also that way by default for many users.
That alone is a good reason to top post in this forum.

Another observation by me:
Many of the die hard bottom posters I have seen really argue the point
referencing ancient history (technologically speaking) as a president.
These same people drive cars and fly airplanes instead of walk in
sandals and ride horses.
Times change, and many other things change also.

Post the way you like and prefer, there is no absolute standard that
states how you must post.

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An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Rifleman" wrote in message
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Read a book bottom up, do you?




  #30  
Old January 31st 04, 08:01 PM
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Good point Bruce. It seems, I see the same issue about once a month, with
the same outcome.

Cheers, JAX

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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Greetings --

And have you noticed how the "OP" hasn't responded to any of the
subsequent posts in this thread? Could it be that his/her sole intend
was to start a flame war, and we all fell for it?

Bruce Chambers

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Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"Rifleman" wrote in message
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I think you'll find I was replying to another poster, not you.






 




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