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  #31  
Old June 16th 04, 06:41 PM
Unknown
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You say it happens all the time. Where do you get your statistics? In at least
22 years I have NEVER gotten one. That's MY statistic.
"Gordon" wrote in message
...
"Unknown" wrote in message
...
The point is very simple. If you keep your system updated, the firewall on

and
DO Not open unknown attachments you do NOT have to mess up your computer
installing AV programs.


You are missing the point entirely. How do you KNOW 100% that an attachment
you get from a KNOWN source is virus free without scanning it yourself? Your
KNOWN source may be infected without them knowing it - it happens all the
time!



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  #32  
Old June 16th 04, 06:41 PM
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"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You say it happens all the time. Where do you get your statistics? In at

least
22 years I have NEVER gotten one. That's MY statistic.


Well I think you have been VERY lucky.


  #33  
Old June 16th 04, 07:41 PM
Gordon
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"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You say it happens all the time. Where do you get your statistics? In at

least
22 years I have NEVER gotten one. That's MY statistic.


Well you are probably in a minority tending to one then.
I can't find any actual statistics, but if you go a google on this subject,
there are HUNDREDS of articles talking about viruses being received in
attachments from known sources. What about Mellissa? That sent out viral
attachments from the infectee's addressbook - ie a KNOWN source to the
recipients. That's how it spread so widely in the first place - because
people opened an infected attachment from a KNOWN source without thinking!


  #34  
Old June 16th 04, 07:41 PM
Unknown
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That can only occur (correct me if I'm wrong) if your friends and/or relatives
have been infected and their addressbook has been hijacked. None of us (and
there are many) have ever been infected. Just read these news groups and
you'll see all the problems caused by AV programs from failures to update to
slowing down the computers etc. Be 100% honest, have you ever gotten a virus?
"Gordon" wrote in message
...
"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You say it happens all the time. Where do you get your statistics? In at

least
22 years I have NEVER gotten one. That's MY statistic.


Well you are probably in a minority tending to one then.
I can't find any actual statistics, but if you go a google on this subject,
there are HUNDREDS of articles talking about viruses being received in
attachments from known sources. What about Mellissa? That sent out viral
attachments from the infectee's addressbook - ie a KNOWN source to the
recipients. That's how it spread so widely in the first place - because
people opened an infected attachment from a KNOWN source without thinking!



  #35  
Old June 16th 04, 07:41 PM
Gordon
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"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
That can only occur (correct me if I'm wrong) if your friends and/or

relatives
have been infected and their addressbook has been hijacked. None of us

(and
there are many) have ever been infected. Just read these news groups and
you'll see all the problems caused by AV programs from failures to update

to
slowing down the computers etc. Be 100% honest, have you ever gotten a

virus?

No I haven't but I run Avast!


  #36  
Old June 16th 04, 08:41 PM
Unknown
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Default anti virus software

Thank you for being honest.
"Gordon" wrote in message
...
"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
That can only occur (correct me if I'm wrong) if your friends and/or

relatives
have been infected and their addressbook has been hijacked. None of us

(and
there are many) have ever been infected. Just read these news groups and
you'll see all the problems caused by AV programs from failures to update

to
slowing down the computers etc. Be 100% honest, have you ever gotten a

virus?

No I haven't but I run Avast!



  #37  
Old June 16th 04, 08:41 PM
NoNoBadDog!
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And you certainly qualify as someone with little intelligence.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
...
Your so stupid you can't converse without namecalling. The fact remains
anyone
with a little intelligence does not need to spend money on AV programs.
"Pop" wrote in message
...
I'd say that response puts him in both categories; a fool
and a masochist, and I'd add that it has little knowledge of
the real world to be able to say that so emphatically.
Personally I hope he really has no protection, but it's
abhorrant that his closed mind gets tossed at the
unsupecting newbie. That's akin to abuse.
Pop

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
Sheer hogwash and fear spreading. I do NOT, HAVE NOT ever

used an AV program
and what's more have NEVER had a virus.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in

message
...
Greetings --

That's very bad advice. Given today's

widely-publicized and
well-known hostile Internet environment, only a fool or

a masochist
would go on-line without both a firewall and antivirus

protection.
People really shouldn't need to be told to use a

firewall or an
antivirus application, no more than they should need to

be told not to
stick their hands into an open flame.


Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever

count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message

gy.com...
Best is to use none at all. Keep your system updated,

the firewall on
and don't open unknown attachments and you won't need an

AV program.










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  #38  
Old June 16th 04, 08:41 PM
NoNoBadDog!
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You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the
predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and dialers
that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the
protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think*
you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
news
I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need AV
programs and don't get viruses.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions
that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in
general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause
problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
They cause far more problems than they prevent.








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  #39  
Old June 16th 04, 09:41 PM
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Then tell me why I never get a Virus. Why are you being so ostentatious?
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the
predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and dialers
that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the
protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think*
you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
news
I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need AV
programs and don't get viruses.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions
that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in
general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause
problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
They cause far more problems than they prevent.







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  #40  
Old June 16th 04, 10:41 PM
NoNoBadDog!
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You are missing the point entirely. I wear a seatbelt every time I drive,
yet I have not had an accident in over 30 years. You are the one who is
"being so ostentatious". You may be happy going your merry way without any
AV protection, but that does not give you the right to tell others that it
is "okay" to do so themselves. Most of us live in the real world, where we
are intelligent enough to use the tools available to us. The point has
never been whether you have ever had a virus (and we have only YOUR word on
this), but your preaching that AV protection is unnecessary. You can take
all the chances you like...it is your right and your prerogative. But to
counsel others to take the same dangerous attitude as yours is irresponsible
at best. Not everyone is as "smart" as you claim to be. If you were truly
intelligent, you would have understood the current of this thread instead of
repeatedly posting "I have never had a virus...yada yada yada". I don't
care if you have ever had a virus. Personally, I hope you learn, the hard
way, the folly of your ways. But that is not important to this thread. You
should not tell neophytes that AV is not necessary. They are the ones most
vulnerable and most in need of protection. That way, they can learn more
about the wonderful device that is sitting on their desktop without the
frustration of being infected because of their inexperience.

In closing, I respect your right to do as you please, and to say what you
believe. But when what you post could cause someone else to adopt unsafe
computer practices, then you have overstepped the bounds of your "freedom".
There are people in this world who practice a form of thrill seeking called
train-dodging. They will stand on a track as a train approaches and will
wait until the last possible moment to jump out of the way of the train.
While they may enjoy this practice, if they were to try to convince children
to do the same, it would be unacceptable. That is what you have done with
your "preaching".

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
...
Then tell me why I never get a Virus. Why are you being so ostentatious?
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the
predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and
dialers
that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the
protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think*
you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
news
I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need
AV
programs and don't get viruses.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions
that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in
general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause
problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
They cause far more problems than they prevent.







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  #41  
Old June 17th 04, 02:43 AM
Don
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I have to admit I've been using a home computer on the web for about 20
years (although back then I don't think it was called the WWW), without any
virus software and have never gotten a virus.

--
Don
"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
Thank you for being honest.
"Gordon" wrote in message
...
"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
That can only occur (correct me if I'm wrong) if your friends and/or

relatives
have been infected and their addressbook has been hijacked. None of us

(and
there are many) have ever been infected. Just read these news groups

and
you'll see all the problems caused by AV programs from failures to

update
to
slowing down the computers etc. Be 100% honest, have you ever gotten a

virus?

No I haven't but I run Avast!





  #42  
Old June 17th 04, 02:43 AM
Tom
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"Don" dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet wrote in message
...
I have to admit I've been using a home computer on the web for about 20
years (although back then I don't think it was called the WWW), without
any
virus software and have never gotten a virus.


But I would never recommend to the average user to NOT use an AV, as most
don't know what it means to be cautious while operating a PC, especially
while browsing the WWW a great deal. They typically do not get involved in
learning the "ins and outs" of the whole PC, and are susceptible to such
attacks.

For me personally, I also don't use an AV at all, and I don't get viruses,
but I also know how to not get them, and take care of them anyway. AV
programs are just too invasive for my liking, especially anything from
Norton and McAfee (which are almost more destructive than helpful to ones
PC, IMHO!).


  #43  
Old June 17th 04, 03:41 PM
Unknown
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Two honest and obvious intelligent users Don & Tom. Wouldn't it be great if we
could educate the average user? I try teaching all my friends and relatives.
None of us use AV programs.
"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Don" dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet wrote in message
...
I have to admit I've been using a home computer on the web for about 20
years (although back then I don't think it was called the WWW), without
any
virus software and have never gotten a virus.


But I would never recommend to the average user to NOT use an AV, as most
don't know what it means to be cautious while operating a PC, especially
while browsing the WWW a great deal. They typically do not get involved in
learning the "ins and outs" of the whole PC, and are susceptible to such
attacks.

For me personally, I also don't use an AV at all, and I don't get viruses,
but I also know how to not get them, and take care of them anyway. AV
programs are just too invasive for my liking, especially anything from
Norton and McAfee (which are almost more destructive than helpful to ones
PC, IMHO!).



  #44  
Old June 17th 04, 03:41 PM
Unknown
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Default anti virus software

Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use an AV
program.
How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of the way of
a train
is so idiotic it borders on insanity.
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are missing the point entirely. I wear a seatbelt every time I drive,
yet I have not had an accident in over 30 years. You are the one who is
"being so ostentatious". You may be happy going your merry way without any
AV protection, but that does not give you the right to tell others that it
is "okay" to do so themselves. Most of us live in the real world, where we
are intelligent enough to use the tools available to us. The point has
never been whether you have ever had a virus (and we have only YOUR word on
this), but your preaching that AV protection is unnecessary. You can take
all the chances you like...it is your right and your prerogative. But to
counsel others to take the same dangerous attitude as yours is irresponsible
at best. Not everyone is as "smart" as you claim to be. If you were truly
intelligent, you would have understood the current of this thread instead of
repeatedly posting "I have never had a virus...yada yada yada". I don't
care if you have ever had a virus. Personally, I hope you learn, the hard
way, the folly of your ways. But that is not important to this thread. You
should not tell neophytes that AV is not necessary. They are the ones most
vulnerable and most in need of protection. That way, they can learn more
about the wonderful device that is sitting on their desktop without the
frustration of being infected because of their inexperience.

In closing, I respect your right to do as you please, and to say what you
believe. But when what you post could cause someone else to adopt unsafe
computer practices, then you have overstepped the bounds of your "freedom".
There are people in this world who practice a form of thrill seeking called
train-dodging. They will stand on a track as a train approaches and will
wait until the last possible moment to jump out of the way of the train.
While they may enjoy this practice, if they were to try to convince children
to do the same, it would be unacceptable. That is what you have done with
your "preaching".

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
...
Then tell me why I never get a Virus. Why are you being so ostentatious?
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the
predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and
dialers
that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the
protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think*
you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
news I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need
AV
programs and don't get viruses.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions
that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in
general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause
problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
They cause far more problems than they prevent.







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  #45  
Old June 17th 04, 03:41 PM
Unknown
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It is very clear that the poster POP and your defense for anti virus programs
is insults and name calling. And you question MY intelligence?
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are missing the point entirely. I wear a seatbelt every time I drive,
yet I have not had an accident in over 30 years. You are the one who is
"being so ostentatious". You may be happy going your merry way without any
AV protection, but that does not give you the right to tell others that it
is "okay" to do so themselves. Most of us live in the real world, where we
are intelligent enough to use the tools available to us. The point has
never been whether you have ever had a virus (and we have only YOUR word on
this), but your preaching that AV protection is unnecessary. You can take
all the chances you like...it is your right and your prerogative. But to
counsel others to take the same dangerous attitude as yours is irresponsible
at best. Not everyone is as "smart" as you claim to be. If you were truly
intelligent, you would have understood the current of this thread instead of
repeatedly posting "I have never had a virus...yada yada yada". I don't
care if you have ever had a virus. Personally, I hope you learn, the hard
way, the folly of your ways. But that is not important to this thread. You
should not tell neophytes that AV is not necessary. They are the ones most
vulnerable and most in need of protection. That way, they can learn more
about the wonderful device that is sitting on their desktop without the
frustration of being infected because of their inexperience.

In closing, I respect your right to do as you please, and to say what you
believe. But when what you post could cause someone else to adopt unsafe
computer practices, then you have overstepped the bounds of your "freedom".
There are people in this world who practice a form of thrill seeking called
train-dodging. They will stand on a track as a train approaches and will
wait until the last possible moment to jump out of the way of the train.
While they may enjoy this practice, if they were to try to convince children
to do the same, it would be unacceptable. That is what you have done with
your "preaching".

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
...
Then tell me why I never get a Virus. Why are you being so ostentatious?
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the
predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and
dialers
that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the
protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think*
you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
news I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need
AV
programs and don't get viruses.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions
that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in
general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause
problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
They cause far more problems than they prevent.







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