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  #46  
Old June 18th 04, 05:42 AM
Bruce Chambers
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Default anti virus software

Greetings --

Do you have short term memory problems, or are you deliberately
lying? Let me refresh your memory, just in case it's the former:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

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References:
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Best is to use none at all. ......

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And:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++

From: "Unknown"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
References:
om


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You.ve got to be STUPID to use an AV program. They only causes
problems. .....

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

And then there was this out-right falsehood:

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They cause far more problems than they prevent.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++

If that's not telling people not to use antivirus software, then
I'd have to conclude that your knowledge of the English language is
even more limited than your demonstrated lack of computing knowledge.


Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
. ..
Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use

an AV
program.
How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of

the way of
a train
is so idiotic it borders on insanity.



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  #47  
Old June 18th 04, 05:42 AM
NoNoBadDog!
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Default anti virus software

Your responses were garbage. And not using AV is like dodging a
train....with luck, you'll be okay....but there is always the chance that
the train will win.
The point was not equating train dodging to not using AV, but that telling
others who do not know better that dodging trains is "okay" is socially
irresponsible.

You obviously have delusions of grandeur and your holier-than-thou attitude
grows tiresome.

Time for you to shut the f**K up.


Bobby



"Unknown" wrote in message
. ..
Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use an AV
program.
How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of the
way of
a train
is so idiotic it borders on insanity.
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are missing the point entirely. I wear a seatbelt every time I
drive,
yet I have not had an accident in over 30 years. You are the one who is
"being so ostentatious". You may be happy going your merry way without
any
AV protection, but that does not give you the right to tell others that
it
is "okay" to do so themselves. Most of us live in the real world, where
we
are intelligent enough to use the tools available to us. The point has
never been whether you have ever had a virus (and we have only YOUR word
on
this), but your preaching that AV protection is unnecessary. You can
take
all the chances you like...it is your right and your prerogative. But to
counsel others to take the same dangerous attitude as yours is
irresponsible
at best. Not everyone is as "smart" as you claim to be. If you were
truly
intelligent, you would have understood the current of this thread instead
of
repeatedly posting "I have never had a virus...yada yada yada". I don't
care if you have ever had a virus. Personally, I hope you learn, the
hard
way, the folly of your ways. But that is not important to this thread.
You
should not tell neophytes that AV is not necessary. They are the ones
most
vulnerable and most in need of protection. That way, they can learn more
about the wonderful device that is sitting on their desktop without the
frustration of being infected because of their inexperience.

In closing, I respect your right to do as you please, and to say what
you
believe. But when what you post could cause someone else to adopt unsafe
computer practices, then you have overstepped the bounds of your
"freedom".
There are people in this world who practice a form of thrill seeking
called
train-dodging. They will stand on a track as a train approaches and will
wait until the last possible moment to jump out of the way of the train.
While they may enjoy this practice, if they were to try to convince
children
to do the same, it would be unacceptable. That is what you have done
with
your "preaching".

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
...
Then tell me why I never get a Virus. Why are you being so
ostentatious?
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the
predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and
dialers
that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the
protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you
*think*
you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
news I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't
need
AV
programs and don't get viruses.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple
instructions
that come with them, and know a little about computers and software
in
general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause
problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
They cause far more problems than they prevent.







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  #48  
Old June 18th 04, 01:41 PM
Unknown
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Default anti virus software

Holier than thou you brought up I didn't. I never even hinted as such. Can't
you talk in a civil manner and not be so ostentatious? You are still a fear
monger. You teach fear rather than computer operations. I never mentioned
anything about dodging trains, you did. Only you with your fear would state
running a computer without AV protection is like dodging a train. How
ridiculously immature.
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
Your responses were garbage. And not using AV is like dodging a
train....with luck, you'll be okay....but there is always the chance that
the train will win.
The point was not equating train dodging to not using AV, but that telling
others who do not know better that dodging trains is "okay" is socially
irresponsible.

You obviously have delusions of grandeur and your holier-than-thou attitude
grows tiresome.

Time for you to shut the f**K up.


Bobby



"Unknown" wrote in message
. ..
Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use an AV
program.
How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of the
way of
a train
is so idiotic it borders on insanity.
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are missing the point entirely. I wear a seatbelt every time I
drive,
yet I have not had an accident in over 30 years. You are the one who is
"being so ostentatious". You may be happy going your merry way without
any
AV protection, but that does not give you the right to tell others that
it
is "okay" to do so themselves. Most of us live in the real world, where
we
are intelligent enough to use the tools available to us. The point has
never been whether you have ever had a virus (and we have only YOUR word
on
this), but your preaching that AV protection is unnecessary. You can
take
all the chances you like...it is your right and your prerogative. But to
counsel others to take the same dangerous attitude as yours is
irresponsible
at best. Not everyone is as "smart" as you claim to be. If you were
truly
intelligent, you would have understood the current of this thread instead
of
repeatedly posting "I have never had a virus...yada yada yada". I don't
care if you have ever had a virus. Personally, I hope you learn, the
hard
way, the folly of your ways. But that is not important to this thread.
You
should not tell neophytes that AV is not necessary. They are the ones
most
vulnerable and most in need of protection. That way, they can learn more
about the wonderful device that is sitting on their desktop without the
frustration of being infected because of their inexperience.

In closing, I respect your right to do as you please, and to say what
you
believe. But when what you post could cause someone else to adopt unsafe
computer practices, then you have overstepped the bounds of your
"freedom".
There are people in this world who practice a form of thrill seeking
called
train-dodging. They will stand on a track as a train approaches and will
wait until the last possible moment to jump out of the way of the train.
While they may enjoy this practice, if they were to try to convince
children
to do the same, it would be unacceptable. That is what you have done
with
your "preaching".

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
...
Then tell me why I never get a Virus. Why are you being so
ostentatious?
"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the
predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and
dialers
that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the
protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you
*think*
you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
news I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't
need
AV
programs and don't get viruses.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple
instructions
that come with them, and know a little about computers and software
in
general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause
problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
They cause far more problems than they prevent.







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  #49  
Old June 18th 04, 01:41 PM
Unknown
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You apparently interpret any 'suggestion' as an order. I do not, and of course
cannot, 'tell' people what to do. I can however try to teach them, via
suggestions, how to run their computers smoothly and without fear of getting a
virus. THEY must make the decision whether or not to try it.
As for 'they cause more problems than they prevent' don't you read these
newsgroups?
How many people have problems simply updating due to some software?
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

Do you have short term memory problems, or are you deliberately
lying? Let me refresh your memory, just in case it's the former:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

From: "Unknown"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
References:
Subject: anti virus software
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Best is to use none at all. ......

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++

And:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++

From: "Unknown"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
References:
om


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You.ve got to be STUPID to use an AV program. They only causes
problems. .....

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

And then there was this out-right falsehood:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++

From: "Unknown"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
References:

Subject: anti virus software
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They cause far more problems than they prevent.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++

If that's not telling people not to use antivirus software, then
I'd have to conclude that your knowledge of the English language is
even more limited than your demonstrated lack of computing knowledge.


Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Unknown" wrote in message
. ..
Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use

an AV
program.
How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of

the way of
a train
is so idiotic it borders on insanity.




  #50  
Old June 19th 04, 05:41 AM
Re : Microsoft Tech
external usenet poster
 
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Default anti virus software



"Gordon" wrote:

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You say it happens all the time. Where do you get your statistics? In at

least
22 years I have NEVER gotten one. That's MY statistic.


Well you are probably in a minority tending to one then.
I can't find any actual statistics, but if you go a google on this subject,
there are HUNDREDS of articles talking about viruses being received in
attachments from known sources. What about Mellissa? That sent out viral
attachments from the infectee's addressbook - ie a KNOWN source to the
recipients. That's how it spread so widely in the first place - because
people opened an infected attachment from a KNOWN source without thinking!



  #54  
Old June 20th 04, 04:43 AM
NellieBly
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default anti virus software

I'm not reading this entire thread..only to say you may not have installed
an anti-virus program but your ISP provider (if they are reputable) more
than likely had it included with their program.

Go to the stupid.arguments.newsgroup for further follow-up guys!



"NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message
...
You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the
predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and dialers
that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the
protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think*
you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is.

Bobby

"Unknown" wrote in message
news
I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need AV
programs and don't get viruses.
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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Greetings --

Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions
that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in
general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause
problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant.

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They cause far more problems than they prevent.







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  #55  
Old June 20th 04, 08:41 AM
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I don't totally disagree with what "Unknown" is saying.

I don't believe that "Unknown" is suggesting that everyone should run
without virus software, but stating the fact that "Unknown" has not yet
gotten a virus and neither has most of their friends/relatives that they
communicate with often gotten them because either they too are computer
literate (more so than most of the populace) or at least follow the advice
that "Unknown" or other "in the know" people have given them.

I know that almost all AV software do use a decent amount of resident memory
when they are running.
I know that there are reports of people having trouble doing one thing or
another because of AV software being incompatible in some way with something
else.
I know that most of the viruses I have seen people catch have been from
opening email attachments, not following common sense rules like using a
firewall or running un-researched software on their machines.

But - on the counter-point - although education is the best way to stop
having to rely on things like AntiVirus software - most people don't use
common sense when they use their computers. It's a tool to do their taxes
easier, write up their grocery list, download free "neat" things, find old
friends on the web, see pictures of their grandkids on, research their
favorite topics.. And the problem is they don't CARE how the computer runs
until they notice it is running badly (like it crashes or shuts down every
30 minutes..) and some of them, even then, would prefer NOT to know what is
wrong and give it to someone else to repair.

"Unknown" is correct in that if you only accept/open attachments from people
you know and trust to be doing the same common sense things you are
(firewall, not opening junk attachments, not forwarding crap emails - like
scams and chain letters, not signing up for random free things on the web,
not installing whatever you think sounds cool, etc), the chances of you
getting a virus in that way is like winning a lotto.. (or any game of
chance) - slim to none. The chance is never eliminated, however - since you
don't control all the factors - but it is so slim that you don't have to
worry about it.

However - even never have gotten a virus - I see people get them all the
time - people like I described earlier. They go to work and expect that
their network admin would never let Aunt Fran or Uncle Bobby send them a
virus via attachment (even though they are getting it via their hotmail
account where their admin has no control, or yahoo, or petscentral, or
hushmail or the hordes of others that may or may not be known about so
thereby not blocked at work.) and so they download it. They don't care
about security, they don't know what a computer virus is beyond, "Bad and
the computer guy sometimes has to take my computer and they look ****ed when
they do", and they have this false sense of security - so they download it
and BAM - the antivirus software pops up telling them something they don't
understand so they get all worried and call their computer tech asking what
"quarantined" means, and how can they get the file their Uncle/Aunt sent
them? Those same people then go home, come back the next day and track down
their computer admin, wondering if they could help them because their home
PC sure is acting funny since they downloaded the other file from their Aunt
last night..

You can TRY to educate them, but all they want is a quick fix and get on
with their lives.. Not to mention that it better automatically "improve
itself" so they never have to worry about this issue again.

So, I still and will continue recommending Firewall, Updates/Patches,
AntiVirus, AntiSpyware and AntiSpam software I have tested in various
environments, researched and found to be somewhat reliable to the people who
come around wondering/whining about "Why their computer got slow? or "Why
does it shut down with something about 'NTAuthority'?" or "Who are these
Nigerians and is their money real?" or "Why do all these porn advertisements
come up when I surf the web?"

Why? Well, I try to throw a little education in my advice. I figure they
came for advice, they must know they did something wrong, so I might as well
use their vulnerable state as a learning tool, but I also think their want
to learn is usually limited - they want enough to fix it and move on - but
if you can tell them they need this all, the chances of them coming back in
a week is slimmer. Not only that - but if they read what I give them,
listen to what I tell them, they might actually, in following the advice,
learn something and come to the same point "Unknown" has gotten to - you
never know...

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completeness, accuracy or timeliness, and without warranties of any
kind, express or implied. In other words, read up before you take any
advice - you are the one ultimately responsible for your actions.


  #56  
Old June 21st 04, 03:41 AM
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"Pop" wrote in message

I'm afraid you can't educate ANY of the users, other than
the types who would follow a prejudiced moron like you. You
will be exposed anywhere you spread your hate and prejudiced
teenie minded sloth in public. Go back and look for that
used sock - you need it.
Oh, and if you think you're ****ing anyone off, you
arean't: Children like you aren't taken very seriously. I
am glad however that you are not my neighbor.
Pop


Since he is basically correct, ad hominem arguments such as yours reveal
your unwillingness to think and address the real issue.

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  #57  
Old June 21st 04, 04:41 AM
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"Pop" wrote in message

Let's add narcissistic idiot to the list of mornonic
statements. If it's double jointed it won't need a woman,
but at least it won't reproduce that way. Broadcasting
ignorance is the act of the ignorant and the coward, as
shown by the nick.


Gee, how helpful.

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  #58  
Old June 21st 04, 04:41 AM
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"Gordon" wrote in message

"Unknown" wrote in message
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The point is very simple. If you keep your system updated, the
firewall on and DO Not open unknown attachments you do NOT have to
mess up your computer installing AV programs.


You are missing the point entirely. How do you KNOW 100% that an
attachment you get from a KNOWN source is virus free without scanning
it yourself? Your KNOWN source may be infected without them knowing
it - it happens all the time!


That is so simple:
If I don't know 100% that it's safe I make sure the sender sent it on
purpose after verifying it before he(she) verified it. While I run an AV, I
don't trust it anymore that I trust my own methods. I just use the AV
program to make sure I remember to think.

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  #59  
Old June 21st 04, 01:41 PM
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"Unknown" wrote in message
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I do Don, from my friends and relatives. But, they all use the firewall

and
keep their systems updated.


Umm - a "firewall" does NOT stop OR detect viruses.


  #60  
Old June 21st 04, 01:41 PM
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"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
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I don't totally disagree with what "Unknown" is saying.


"Unknown" is correct in that if you only accept/open attachments from

people
you know and trust to be doing the same common sense things you are
(firewall, not opening junk attachments, not forwarding crap emails - like
scams and chain letters, not signing up for random free things on the web,
not installing whatever you think sounds cool, etc), the chances of you
getting a virus in that way is like winning a lotto..


Umm - that's how Mellissa spread so quickly - people opening infected
attachments that came FROM PEOPLE THEY KNEW.


 




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