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  #31  
Old December 19th 04, 07:58 PM
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Default Where is the startup folder in WXP? It's under SYSTEM SUMMERY but NO PATH!


"Sharon F" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:58:23 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

Not on my WXP-PC. All it says is they're in WINDOWS/current version.
There
is no "current version" under windows. Also, that's no help since there
are
loads of things in Windows, but no programs that I can see. And there is
nothing in the START-UP folder.

I just looked again. There are no PROGRAMS under Windows in WE.

I would think programs would be under "programs"... not under Windows
where
msconfig says they are.


MSCONFIG shows you a registry path. It starts with letters such as HKLM
(HKEY_Local Machine) or HKCU (HKey Current User). Unfortunately, MSCONFIG
is not a resizable window and tends to truncate these paths. You'll see
"..." at the end. That's an indicator that there is more than what is
visible.

If you use Start All Programs Accessories System Tools System
Information, there is a section in this tool titled Software Environment.

--------------------------------------
Whoopes, you forgot it's under "System summery," there- then Software
Environment! Geeze I thought I wasn't going to find that either! However
there is no PATH shown there. Perhaps you are talking about WXP-Pro
version???

FS~

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  #32  
Old December 19th 04, 08:05 PM
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"Mike Hall" wrote in message
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There are THREE columns visible under the STARTUP tab when you open
MSCONFIG.. STARTUP ITEM - COMMAND - LOCATION..

The COMMAND column tells you what is running.. for instance, I have one
for MBM5 as follows

"C:/program files/Motherboard Monitor 5/mbm5.exe"

I have others for the HP printer monitor, McAfee, Logitech keyboard
functions, Nero INCD, Stickies..


** Yes, I'm familiar with msconfig. There must be 50 things listed there,
most of which I have no idea what they are.

So, if I want to stop any of these from running at startup, I go to the
individual program and look for the setting that stops it.. how difficult
is that?.. forget the location in Registry..


** Not difficult if you can FIND the programs. For instance where do I find
"dump prep 0 -K' and how would I disable it? Find and AgentRansack don't
find many things on WXP, like FFF did on W98SE. Also I cannot find
System2.exe or Allchars.exe etc. You can't try and disable them when you
can't find them and don't know what they are. So I have them disabled in
msconfig since there is no StartUp folder on my PC.

And if you can't see the full command path, make the column wider as you
would do in any other Windows program..


** I'm aware of that. But even when we follow the path the "program" isn't
necessarily THERE. Many can't be disabled from finding them and looking at
their properties window.

FS~

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Old December 19th 04, 09:37 PM
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C:\Documents and Settings\your user account\Start
Menu\Programs\Startup
=====================
The STARTUP folder is empty. How do you disable them there, when they
are NOT THERE????

FS~

What are you yelling at me for? You asked where the Startup folder is
located and I informed you. If it is empty it's empty. I've tried to
follow the thread and I can't tell what you really want to do other than
locate where items that run as services are located. Once you find them
what do you hope to do?

============================
I was told on one of these MS NGs not to use msconfig to stop programs
from starting on bootup. Since I can't find them anywhere else (Startup
folder is empty) to disable them, I asked where they would be found and
how to disable them from there.

FS~


Ok. Check here http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php

=================
Thanks, but there is *nothing* in the Start-Up folder on my version of
WXP-Home/SP2 and so no other way to disable those programs that neither
AgentRansack or FIND can find - that show up in msconfig. So this site
isn't much help. Since I have a non-functioning START-UP folder, where do I
go next? Foe example, how does one disable nwiz.exe/install when it can't
even be located? Or where and how does one disable ps2 outside of the
msconfig window?

From that site:

2) Windows StartUp folder - Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000/XP
If you click on Start - Programs - StartUp (Win9x/Me/NT/2K) or Start -
All Programs - StartUp (WinXP) you may find programs loading from here via
shortcuts. If this is the case, you have two options :-

a.. Delete the shortcut from the StartUp directory (based on your OS):

a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp

b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp

c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start
Menu\Programs\Startup

b.. Create a temporary directory for your OS called "Disabled StartUp
Programs" and move the shortcuts there. If a program doesn't work as
expected you can always move the relevant shortcut back again

a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs

c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs

c.. Those programs in the "above" Programs can't be disabled from there.

FS~

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Old December 19th 04, 10:20 PM
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C:\Documents and Settings\your user account\Start=20
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The STARTUP folder is empty. How do you disable them there, when =

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are NOT THERE????

FS~

What are you yelling at me for? You asked where the Startup folder =

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located and I informed you. If it is empty it's empty. I've tried =

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follow the thread and I can't tell what you really want to do other =

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locate where items that run as services are located. Once you find =

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I was told on one of these MS NGs not to use msconfig to stop =

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from starting on bootup. Since I can't find them anywhere else =

(Startup=20
folder is empty) to disable them, I asked where they would be found =

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how to disable them from there.

FS~


Ok. Check here http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php

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Thanks, but there is *nothing* in the Start-Up folder on my version of =


WXP-Home/SP2 and so no other way to disable those programs that =

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AgentRansack or FIND can find - that show up in msconfig. So this =

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isn't much help. Since I have a non-functioning START-UP folder, =

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go next? Foe example, how does one disable nwiz.exe/install when it =

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even be located? Or where and how does one disable ps2 outside of the =


msconfig window?
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From that site:
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2) Windows StartUp folder - Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000/XP
If you click on Start - Programs - StartUp (Win9x/Me/NT/2K) or Start =

-=20
All Programs - StartUp (WinXP) you may find programs loading from =

here via=20
shortcuts. If this is the case, you have two options :-
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a.. Delete the shortcut from the StartUp directory (based on your =

OS):
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a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
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b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start =

Menu\Programs\StartUp
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c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start=20
Menu\Programs\Startup
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b.. Create a temporary directory for your OS called "Disabled StartUp =


Programs" and move the shortcuts there. If a program doesn't work as=20
expected you can always move the relevant shortcut back again
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a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
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b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs
=20
c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs
=20
c.. Those programs in the "above" Programs can't be disabled from =

there.
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FS~


I'd say give up, after reading Sharon's easy direction (in another =
thread) to Software Enviroment in System Info, and your follow to its =
non-existence, I'd say you should just give it up and go. You're way too =
petulant to be helped.
  #35  
Old December 20th 04, 01:18 AM
Sharon F
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Default Where is the startup folder in WXP? SHARON

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:52:18 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

If you use Start All Programs Accessories System Tools System
Information, there is a section in this tool titled Software Environment.


** There is *NO* "software Enviornment" under Tools there. I have WXP-home
w/SP2 installed.


You skipped a step in the directions. Open System Information first. Then
look for Software Environment....

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  #36  
Old December 20th 04, 01:22 AM
Sharon F
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:58:06 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

Whoopes, you forgot it's under "System summery," there- then Software
Environment! Geeze I thought I wasn't going to find that either! However
there is no PATH shown there. Perhaps you are talking about WXP-Pro
version???


In that list of startup programs, you should see at least 4 columns:
Program, Command, User Name, Location. Location tells where the startup
command is located at.


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  #37  
Old December 20th 04, 01:25 AM
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Default Where is the startup folder in WXP? SHARON

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:52:18 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

** That's why we've been using msconfig. But another person here said to
remove them from the startup folder. Seems not all WXP OS's have a startup
folder (or a "software enviornment" under Tools where you said it should
be.)


Correct. Not all programs have a shortcut in the startup folder. There are
other methods of starting a program at boot time. That's why you're finding
so many different descriptions of where to look for startup commands so
that they can be deleted.

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Old December 20th 04, 01:31 AM
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:37:56 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

c.. Those programs in the "above" Programs can't be disabled from there.


Go back to the page that Frank gave you an URL to and read all of that
first page. It discusses all of the different "attack points" that need to
be addressed when managing startup programs (including but not limited to
the startup folder).
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Old December 20th 04, 10:49 AM
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Default Where is the startup folder in WXP? Startup monitor is EMPTY.

On 19/12/2004 ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:


"Jeff Gaines" wrote in message
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On 12/12/2004 ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:


They're are several possible locations. Go to Mike Lin's web site
www.mlin.net and download his startup control panel, that will

show you what is starting from where and saves the pain of
playing with the registry.
============================
It doesn't show any programs that are running. How do I load all

the stuff from msconfig into this monitor?

FS~


I just run it and it shows what is set to start from the various
registry locations in tabs along the top.

Did you d/l startup.exe?

=========================
I already have this program. You can't import anything from it to a
start-up folder. All it shows is what's running, and works like
msconfig. Why not just use msconfig instead of having yet another
program on a PC? .

FS~


It's a matter of choice, that's why it's called a 'personal' computer.

I have been using Mike Lin's app for years, since W98 days, I prefer it
to msconfig.

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  #40  
Old December 21st 04, 04:07 AM
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"Sharon F" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:58:23 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

Not on my WXP-PC. All it says is they're in WINDOWS/current version.
There
is no "current version" under windows. Also, that's no help since there
are
loads of things in Windows, but no programs that I can see. And there is
nothing in the START-UP folder.

I just looked again. There are no PROGRAMS under Windows in WE.

I would think programs would be under "programs"... not under Windows
where
msconfig says they are.


MSCONFIG shows you a registry path. It starts with letters such as HKLM
(HKEY_Local Machine) or HKCU (HKey Current User). Unfortunately, MSCONFIG
is not a resizable window and tends to truncate these paths. You'll see
"..." at the end. That's an indicator that there is more than what is
visible.

If you use Start All Programs Accessories System Tools System
Information, there is a section in this tool titled Software Environment.
Click next to those words to expand that section. Click on "Startup
Programs" and wait a few seconds as the list builds. When that's done,
you'll see a list in the right hand pane of this program that has better
descriptions of your startup programs. Plus the paths are more likely to
be
displayed in full. If they are not, at least this window is resizable.


## OK I found it but there are no paths. There are 11 things showing, a
small fraction of what's in msconfig. This only lists what's running
whereas msconfig lists things that aren't even on my PC anymore.

Paths you are likely to find will be:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Run
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunServices


## Here is a C&P of what is actually there.

NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this?
Navigator c:\progra~1\direcway\bin\dpcnav.exe All Users Common Startup
NvCplDaemon rundll32.exe c:\windows\system32\nvcpl.dll,nvstartup All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this?
Recguard c:\windows\sminst\recguard.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Run StartupMonitor startupmonitor.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Symantec NetDriver Monitor c:\progra~1\symnet~1\sndmon.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this?
WordWeb c:\progra~1\wordweb\wweb32.exe All Users Common Startup
desktop desktop.ini NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Startup -- ** Why are four
running?
desktop desktop.ini KAREN\Owner Startup
desktop desktop.ini .DEFAULT Startup
desktop desktop.ini All Users Common Startup

## The others I know what they are - but how do you tell what the others
are?

When I disable startup programs, I start with the application itself: Open
the program and go through its menus looking for the preference and option
settings that control the startup behavior.


## Example: How do I know if this should be disabled?
Users HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
And how is something like this opened?

If those menus are not to be found, I would have to find a different way
to
disable the program. If there is no shortcut in the startup folder, than
it
is likely there is a RUN key in the registry that starts the program.


## And those should be deleted or changed? I can't find how to disable
most programs from just opening them and looking in properties or their
options choices. Most from what I see, don't give you a choice. That's why
I have a freebee startup manager program. It asks before anything can start
at startup - one time. Works wonders.

When it gets down to this point, I usually uncheck the box in MSCONFIG
instead of editing the registry. Reason: I may change my mind down the
road
and decide that I actually want that program to run at startup. It's easy
and convenient to add a check to a box in MSCONFIG.


## Which is why I've been using it for the past 5+ years.

There are times when a program is uninstalled but it fails to clean up a
RUN key in the registry. Or there may be a program that does a check at
startup and re-enters itself in MSCONFIG after it's been disabled. Or an
item that I don't use or want that loads as a service. In these cases, I
prune the registry.


## By deleting their keys or exporting them to a folder somewhere?

NOTE: Rude programs that re-enter themselves in startup after I've gone to
great lengths to disable them, don't stay installed on my system for long.


## I know what you mean! :-))

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Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User


FS~

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Old December 21st 04, 06:11 AM
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:07:49 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

## Here is a C&P of what is actually there.

NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this?
Navigator c:\progra~1\direcway\bin\dpcnav.exe All Users Common Startup
NvCplDaemon rundll32.exe c:\windows\system32\nvcpl.dll,nvstartup All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this?
Recguard c:\windows\sminst\recguard.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Run StartupMonitor startupmonitor.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Symantec NetDriver Monitor c:\progra~1\symnet~1\sndmon.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this?
WordWeb c:\progra~1\wordweb\wweb32.exe All Users Common Startup
desktop desktop.ini NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Startup -- ** Why are four
running?
desktop desktop.ini KAREN\Owner Startup
desktop desktop.ini .DEFAULT Startup
desktop desktop.ini All Users Common Startup

## The others I know what they are - but how do you tell what the others
are?


You're not taking in the meaning of all that you're seeing. Let's break the
first startup item from the list into parts so that you can see it more
clearly...

NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this?


Navap32.exe is the executable file for a program component that uses the
"friendly name" NAV Agent to describe itself. The path to this executable
file is
c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe

This is the shortened version of a path that contains one or more long file
name (LFN). LFN is any name that exceeds the old 8.3 naming convention.
Newer versions of Windows support LFN but the old shortened version (8.3)
shows up now and then "under the hood." I can only guess at what the actual
path is. It will be something like this:
C:\Program Files\Norton-something-longer-than-8-
characters\Norton-again-something-longer-than-8-characters\navapw32.exe

This component is registered to load for "All Users."

The command that tells Windows to run this executable at startup is stored
in a subkey under this registry key:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
This is one of the elusive locations that you've been trying to track down
to better manage your startup programs.

When you open Registry Editor, you'll notice it has 2 columns. Navigate to
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and highlight the word
Run in the left column.

A list of startup items appears in the right hand pane. Among those items
will be one that mentions the path to the navapw32.exe file.

Now that we have interpreted what MSCONFIG or System Information is telling
you, let's talk about disabling the item.

If you do not know what NAV Agent (navapw32.exe) is or what it does, you
would look it up on the internet. Places to check might include : the
Symantec site since this is obviously a part of their software, one of the
sites that maintain startup lists such as Pac's Portal that Frank gave you
a link to. Here's another site that I've found to be a good reference:
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Taskl...s/tasklist.htm. The startup
sites are not all inclusive but they cover a lot of territory. Also, one
site may have information on items that another doesn't have.

Read any descriptions that you find for this item at these sites. Decide if
it's something you want or don't want in startup.

To remove the item from startup via the registry editor, delete the subkey
(not the entire Run branch, just the subkey that mentions navap32.exe).

NOTE: While you're in here, you might want to get rid of the leftover
subkeys that belong to programs that you no longer have installed.

If you want a backup of a key that you are going to delete, export it
first. The export dialog will prompt you to save the exported data as a
..REG file. Name it in a manner that will remind you what it is for. After
the export and save is complete, delete the subkey.

If you later decide that deleting the subkey was a mistake, you can double
click that saved .REG to merge the info back into the registry. The item
will be added back to startup and will load the next time the computer is
booted.

On the other hand, after ascertaining that there are no ill effects from
removing the item from startup - you could delete the .REG file.

From the list that you copied and pasted above, these startup items I don't
recognize: dpcnav.exe, recguard.exe, wweb32.exe
You'll need to look those up.

For the rest:
nvcpl.dll is part of nVidea drivers or one of the nVidia files that augment
the Display control panel

startupmonitor.exe is what it says it is: your startup monitor program

Symantec NetDriver (sndmon.exe) more of Norton's stuff but don't know how
necessary it is or if it's okay to delete.

The assorted desktop.ini files aren't a problem. No need to worry about
those.

If all of this seems like too much bother, go back to using only MSCONFIG
and startup monitor to enable/disable startup programs. While it's often
recommended to disable at the source, your computer won't burn up if you
elect to use these tools instead. You'll get annoying reminder from
MSCONFIG that you are in "selective startup" but can check a box that tells
the program not to bother you again until another change is made via
MSCONFIG.

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MS-MVP ~ Windows Shell/User
  #42  
Old December 22nd 04, 02:54 AM
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C:\Documents and Settings\your user account\Start
Menu\Programs\Startup
=====================
The STARTUP folder is empty. How do you disable them there, when they
are NOT THERE????

FS~

What are you yelling at me for? You asked where the Startup folder is
located and I informed you. If it is empty it's empty. I've tried to
follow the thread and I can't tell what you really want to do other
than locate where items that run as services are located. Once you find
them what do you hope to do?
============================
I was told on one of these MS NGs not to use msconfig to stop programs
from starting on bootup. Since I can't find them anywhere else (Startup
folder is empty) to disable them, I asked where they would be found and
how to disable them from there.

FS~


Ok. Check here http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php

=================
Thanks, but there is *nothing* in the Start-Up folder on my version of
WXP-Home/SP2 and so no other way to disable those programs that neither
AgentRansack or FIND can find - that show up in msconfig. So this site
isn't much help. Since I have a non-functioning START-UP folder, where do
I go next? Foe example, how does one disable nwiz.exe/install when it
can't even be located? Or where and how does one disable ps2 outside of
the msconfig window?

From that site:

2) Windows StartUp folder - Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000/XP
If you click on Start - Programs - StartUp (Win9x/Me/NT/2K) or Start -
All Programs - StartUp (WinXP) you may find programs loading from here
via shortcuts. If this is the case, you have two options :-

a.. Delete the shortcut from the StartUp directory (based on your OS):

a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp

b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp

c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start
Menu\Programs\Startup

b.. Create a temporary directory for your OS called "Disabled StartUp
Programs" and move the shortcuts there. If a program doesn't work as
expected you can always move the relevant shortcut back again

a.. Win9x/98/Me - C:\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

b.. WinNT/2K - C:\Winnt\Profiles\All Users\Start Menu\Programs

c.. WinXP - C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs

c.. Those programs in the "above" Programs can't be disabled from there.

FS~


Try a Startup manager program then
http://www.diamondcs.com.au/index.php?page=asviewer
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www.webtree.ca/windowsxp



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Old December 27th 04, 06:41 AM
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:07:49 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

## Here is a C&P of what is actually there.

NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is
this?
Navigator c:\progra~1\direcway\bin\dpcnav.exe All Users Common Startup
NvCplDaemon rundll32.exe c:\windows\system32\nvcpl.dll,nvstartup All
Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this?
Recguard c:\windows\sminst\recguard.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Run StartupMonitor startupmonitor.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
Symantec NetDriver Monitor c:\progra~1\symnet~1\sndmon.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ---*** What is this?
WordWeb c:\progra~1\wordweb\wweb32.exe All Users Common Startup
desktop desktop.ini NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM Startup -- ** Why are four
running?
desktop desktop.ini KAREN\Owner Startup
desktop desktop.ini .DEFAULT Startup
desktop desktop.ini All Users Common Startup

## The others I know what they are - but how do you tell what the others
are?


You're not taking in the meaning of all that you're seeing. Let's break
the
first startup item from the list into parts so that you can see it more
clearly...

NAV Agent c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe All Users
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is
this?


Navap32.exe is the executable file for a program component that uses the
"friendly name" NAV Agent to describe itself. The path to this executable
file is
c:\progra~1\norton~1\norton~1\navapw32.exe


$$ I know that one above the arrow is Norton. What is the one BELOW, with
the arrow?

This is the shortened version of a path that contains one or more long
file
name (LFN). LFN is any name that exceeds the old 8.3 naming convention.
Newer versions of Windows support LFN but the old shortened version (8.3)
shows up now and then "under the hood." I can only guess at what the
actual
path is. It will be something like this:
C:\Program Files\Norton-something-longer-than-8-
characters\Norton-again-something-longer-than-8-characters\navapw32.exe


$$ Exactly but what is this one? =
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run --- *** What is this?

This component is registered to load for "All Users."


The command that tells Windows to run this executable at startup is stored
in a subkey under this registry key:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
This is one of the elusive locations that you've been trying to track down
to better manage your startup programs.

When you open Registry Editor, you'll notice it has 2 columns. Navigate
to
HKLM\


## There is no HKLM (in the registry) but there is a KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE.

SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and highlight the word
Run in the left column.

A list of startup items appears in the right hand pane. Among those items
will be one that mentions the path to the navapw32.exe file.


## Yes. I see it there.

Now that we have interpreted what MSCONFIG or System Information is
telling
you, let's talk about disabling the item.


If you do not know what NAV Agent (navapw32.exe) is or what it does,


## I did KNOW the Norton ones. It was the others I didn't know. Now I know.
:-)))

you
would look it up on the internet. Places to check might include : the
Symantec site since this is obviously a part of their software, one of the
sites that maintain startup lists such as Pac's Portal that Frank gave you
a link to. Here's another site that I've found to be a good reference:
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Taskl...s/tasklist.htm. The startup
sites are not all inclusive but they cover a lot of territory. Also, one
site may have information on items that another doesn't have.


## I just wanted to find the START/StartUp folder in WindowsExplorer (or
W.E.). Boy am I learning stuff... :-)))

Read any descriptions that you find for this item at these sites. Decide
if
it's something you want or don't want in startup.


To remove the item from startup via the registry editor, delete the subkey
(not the entire Run branch, just the subkey that mentions navap32.exe).


## Of course I wouldn't remove NAV and that's all that's there in the
registry at that point (RUN). Also StartupMonitor to keep scumware from
running if it sneaks onto my PC. I don't even see Direcway there??!?!?!
That must run for me to use the Satellite connection.. ??!?!!?.

NOTE: While you're in here, you might want to get rid of the leftover
subkeys that belong to programs that you no longer have installed.


## I see I can't transport the unneeded keys to save in case I make a
mistake. When I try to delete the old ZoneAlarm key it says: "Unable to
delete all specified values." How do I get rid of this subkey? Wait, I
deleted the main ZoneAlarm key and that got rid of it. I have to download
an older version of ZA since 5 was causing a real problem.

If you want a backup of a key that you are going to delete, export it
first. The export dialog will prompt you to save the exported data as a
.REG file. Name it in a manner that will remind you what it is for. After
the export and save is complete, delete the subkey.


## OK!

If you later decide that deleting the subkey was a mistake, you can double
click that saved .REG to merge the info back into the registry. The item
will be added back to startup and will load the next time the computer is
booted.


## That's good to know. I never had to reinstall a key or subkey.

On the other hand, after ascertaining that there are no ill effects from
removing the item from startup - you could delete the .REG file.

From the list that you copied and pasted above, these startup items I
don't
recognize: dpcnav.exe, recguard.exe,


## That one is my Satellite service. Direcway.

wweb32.exe
You'll need to look those up.

For the rest:
nvcpl.dll is part of nVidea drivers or one of the nVidia files that
augment
the Display control panel

startupmonitor.exe is what it says it is: your startup monitor program


## Yes, I knew all but the ones with the arrows.

Symantec NetDriver (sndmon.exe) more of Norton's stuff but don't know how
necessary it is or if it's okay to delete.

The assorted desktop.ini files aren't a problem. No need to worry about
those.


If all of this seems like too much bother, go back to using only MSCONFIG
and startup monitor to enable/disable startup programs.


## No, it's not too much trouble. I tried to find information on editing
the registry geared to non-techies in the past. Most info is geared to
those who know what they're doing, more or less.

While it's often
recommended to disable at the source, your computer won't burn up if you
elect to use these tools instead. You'll get annoying reminder from
MSCONFIG that you are in "selective startup" but can check a box that
tells
the program not to bother you again until another change is made via
MSCONFIG.


## Thank you so much Sharon. I'm really learning a lot from these MS NGs
and the URLS recommended. I will now check for more "leftovers" in the
registry.....

FS~

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Old December 27th 04, 10:25 PM
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:41:26 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

$$ I know that one above the arrow is Norton. What is the one BELOW, with
the arrow?


Did you read what I wrote? I spent a long time writing it out. You're very
close to "getting it" but are skipping on details and getting confused.
That item (the one that you put an arrow next to) is the location where the
Norton item (right above the line with the arrow) is being loaded from. If
you weren't able to disable this startup item via Norton's menus, you could
accomplish the same thing by deleting the relevant registry key that
mentions navap32.exe.

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Old December 27th 04, 10:26 PM
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 23:41:26 -0600, ~ FreeSpirit ~ wrote:

## There is no HKLM (in the registry) but there is a KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE.


I thought we went through this already
HKLM=HKey Local Machine
HKCU=HKey Current User

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