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Old July 16th 05, 04:07 PM
Husky
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Did MS tell you in lettering large enough that didn't require a lawyer that you
only bought 25 uses of it ?

Seems every time you upgrade your machine, crash, have to reinstall the os
etc.. in general come up face to face with every bug MS is capable of throwing
at you, and every time you have to activate brings you closer to having to ask
every time one of these annoyances crashes you for permission to use your
machine again from someone so bored of reading the same numbers over and over
again all day long that you seriously consider taking a hammer to the machine ?

And they wonder why there's piracy... This time next year after my 50th
activation are they going to tell I can' activate at all ?

I'm thinking I'll say goodbye to MS long before I reach that date.

And if anyone cares this is on a registered copy less than a year old.

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Old July 16th 05, 04:35 PM
Carey Frisch [MVP]
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There is no limit to the number of times you can activate
Windows XP installed on the same computer. If you are
unable to activate via the internet, then select the alternative
option to "activate by phone".

How to activate Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;307890

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"Husky" wrote:

| Did MS tell you in lettering large enough that didn't require a lawyer that you
| only bought 25 uses of it ?
|
| Seems every time you upgrade your machine, crash, have to reinstall the os
| etc.. in general come up face to face with every bug MS is capable of throwing
| at you, and every time you have to activate brings you closer to having to ask
| every time one of these annoyances crashes you for permission to use your
| machine again from someone so bored of reading the same numbers over and over
| again all day long that you seriously consider taking a hammer to the machine ?
|
| And they wonder why there's piracy... This time next year after my 50th
| activation are they going to tell I can' activate at all ?
|
| I'm thinking I'll say goodbye to MS long before I reach that date.
|
| And if anyone cares this is on a registered copy less than a year old.

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Old July 16th 05, 04:46 PM
Shenan Stanley
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Husky wrote:
Did MS tell you in lettering large enough that didn't require a
lawyer that you only bought 25 uses of it ?

Seems every time you upgrade your machine, crash, have to reinstall
the os etc.. in general come up face to face with every bug MS is
capable of throwing at you, and every time you have to activate
brings you closer to having to ask every time one of these annoyances
crashes you for permission to use your machine again from someone so
bored of reading the same numbers over and over again all day long
that you seriously consider taking a hammer to the machine ?

And they wonder why there's piracy... This time next year after my
50th activation are they going to tell I can' activate at all ?

I'm thinking I'll say goodbye to MS long before I reach that date.

And if anyone cares this is on a registered copy less than a year old.


First paragraph - incorrect.
Second paragraph - usually your own fault.
Third paragraph - insanity.
Fourth paragraph - personal choice.
Fifth paragraph - registration is optional, activation is mandatory.

Simply put - other than you making a statement that you are considering not
using a Microsoft product anymore - everything you stated is due to
ignorance of the facts about activation, poor maintenance of the machine
(ignorance of how to properly maintain a Windows computer) and/or just
ranting and raving because of some unknown event that has happened to you.

You can activate your copy of Windows XP (if an OEM copy - 'on the same
hardware' should be added) an unlimited number of times. Depending on how
often and the circumstance - you may find yourself required to call and
actibvate over the telephone instead of the Internet.

While there are bugs in Windows XP - a majority of computer problems
(evident even by these newsgroups) are user issues - either by direct
interaction or by the attempted use of obselete hardware/software. A
reinstall of a system should hardly ever be "necessary" - given proper
maintenance. Yes - hardware can and will go bad - this is a valid reason -
and it can be disheartening to find out that you had purchased an OEM
version of Windows XP and when your motherboard and hard drive fried from
that lightning strike - the copy of Windows XP went with it because you
cannot get the manufacturer to replace it since your PC is out of warranty.
To be perfectly honest however, that would usually be the fault of the OEM
that sole you the PC for customizing the copy of Windows XP so much.. If
your machine was that old and you replaced the motherboard and hard drive
and reinstalled Windows - you would probably activate it with no problem if
the copy of Windows was a generic OEM.

The fact about activation is it is unlimited - you can do it as often as you
want as many times as you want and Microsoft has even stated that when
Windows XP support ends, the activation necessity will somehow be "removed".
If you are having trouble with activation by Internet - you try telephone
activation.. if you have to talk to a MS representative instead of the
automated line - you tell them your story.. Then you are reactivated. To
put it in simplest terms - if you wanted to reactivate your copy of Windows
XP without interacting with anyone - you could reinstall and do so every 121
days.

First of all - what caused this rant? Can we help solve this problem so
that your machine will not be so unreasonably unstable that you have to
reinstall this often? Are you performing tests opf some sort that requires
you to start at a certain point every so often? Have you ever considered an
imaging product to backup your system after a fresh installation/activation?

If this was more of a trolling expedition - I expect you to get a few more
hits with or without your further participation. Otherwise - perhaps you
should consider learning about your system, how to secure and stabilize it
and how to basically maintain/troubleshoot it and see if all of your worries
don't just go away... I'll wait for an answer before I assist further..

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Old July 16th 05, 06:36 PM
Gary Tsang
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Would you care to show us where this 25 use limit is pointed out?

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"Husky" wrote in message
...
Did MS tell you in lettering large enough that didn't require a lawyer
that you
only bought 25 uses of it ?

Seems every time you upgrade your machine, crash, have to reinstall the os
etc.. in general come up face to face with every bug MS is capable of
throwing
at you, and every time you have to activate brings you closer to having to
ask
every time one of these annoyances crashes you for permission to use your
machine again from someone so bored of reading the same numbers over and
over
again all day long that you seriously consider taking a hammer to the
machine ?

And they wonder why there's piracy... This time next year after my 50th
activation are they going to tell I can' activate at all ?

I'm thinking I'll say goodbye to MS long before I reach that date.

And if anyone cares this is on a registered copy less than a year old.

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Old July 16th 05, 07:42 PM
Bruce Chambers
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Husky wrote:
Did MS tell you in lettering large enough that didn't require a lawyer that you
only bought 25 uses of it ?



Well, no. Why should they? There's no such limitation/


Seems every time you upgrade your machine, crash, have to reinstall the os
etc.. in general come up face to face with every bug MS is capable of throwing
at you, and every time you have to activate brings you closer to having to ask
every time one of these annoyances crashes you for permission to use your
machine again from someone so bored of reading the same numbers over and over
again all day long that you seriously consider taking a hammer to the machine ?



Perhaps you should spend a little time learning how to use and maintain
a computer, rather than mindlessly venting near-gibberish.


And they wonder why there's piracy... This time next year after my 50th
activation are they going to tell I can' activate at all ?



Nope. That is, assuming that you know so little about computers and
software that you actually have to re-install the OS 50 times.


I'm thinking I'll say goodbye to MS long before I reach that date.


If you can't manage to get a Windows PC to run without problem for a
year or two, I'd pay to watch you try Linux. It'd be a laugh-riot.



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Old July 16th 05, 08:03 PM
Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)
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Husky

Even if the activation limit was a reality, anybody who has to re-activate
24 times really shouldn't own a computer..


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it all to themselves." - Lane Kirkland


"Husky" wrote in message
...
Did MS tell you in lettering large enough that didn't require a lawyer
that you
only bought 25 uses of it ?

Seems every time you upgrade your machine, crash, have to reinstall the os
etc.. in general come up face to face with every bug MS is capable of
throwing
at you, and every time you have to activate brings you closer to having to
ask
every time one of these annoyances crashes you for permission to use your
machine again from someone so bored of reading the same numbers over and
over
again all day long that you seriously consider taking a hammer to the
machine ?

And they wonder why there's piracy... This time next year after my 50th
activation are they going to tell I can' activate at all ?

I'm thinking I'll say goodbye to MS long before I reach that date.

And if anyone cares this is on a registered copy less than a year old.

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  #7  
Old July 17th 05, 06:00 AM
Husky
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:35:00 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
wrote:

There is no limit to the number of times you can activate
Windows XP installed on the same computer. If you are
unable to activate via the internet, then select the alternative
option to "activate by phone".

How to activate Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;307890


If you haven't upgraded your machine often enough, or re-installed the OS for
whatever reason, and activated the MS liar software a minimum of 25 times, you
don't know what you're talking about.

The software that calls you liar and thief starts every time you run the
machine.

I replaced wheel mice maybe 5-6 times. each one triggering something in the
liar monitor. I didn't bother to track it because activation took less than a
minute. Now every time something blows up and the liar software tells you to
reactivate, it's going to be a minimum of one hour listening to a machine that
can't help you, then handed off to someone where your language is a 2nd
language to them assuming they can read the numbers correctly the 1st few
times.
I guess they assumed the numbers they threw out could be argued as your fault,
assuming you hadn't written them down as they were said.

From now on every time this machine gets the urge, it's back to the same
endless garbage on EVERY activation until I do switch to a BETTER OS.. Where
are you Amiga ??????????

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Old July 17th 05, 06:05 AM
Husky
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 10:46:27 -0500, "Shenan Stanley"
wrote:

Husky wrote:
Did MS tell you in lettering large enough that didn't require a
lawyer that you only bought 25 uses of it ?

Seems every time you upgrade your machine, crash, have to reinstall
the os etc.. in general come up face to face with every bug MS is
capable of throwing at you, and every time you have to activate
brings you closer to having to ask every time one of these annoyances
crashes you for permission to use your machine again from someone so
bored of reading the same numbers over and over again all day long
that you seriously consider taking a hammer to the machine ?

And they wonder why there's piracy... This time next year after my
50th activation are they going to tell I can' activate at all ?

I'm thinking I'll say goodbye to MS long before I reach that date.

And if anyone cares this is on a registered copy less than a year old.


First paragraph - incorrect.
Second paragraph - usually your own fault.
Third paragraph - insanity.
Fourth paragraph - personal choice.
Fifth paragraph - registration is optional, activation is mandatory.

Simply put - other than you making a statement that you are considering not
using a Microsoft product anymore - everything you stated is due to
ignorance of the facts about activation, poor maintenance of the machine
(ignorance of how to properly maintain a Windows computer) and/or just
ranting and raving because of some unknown event that has happened to you.

You can activate your copy of Windows XP (if an OEM copy - 'on the same
hardware' should be added) an unlimited number of times. Depending on how
often and the circumstance - you may find yourself required to call and
actibvate over the telephone instead of the Internet.

While there are bugs in Windows XP - a majority of computer problems
(evident even by these newsgroups) are user issues - either by direct
interaction or by the attempted use of obselete hardware/software. A
reinstall of a system should hardly ever be "necessary" - given proper
maintenance. Yes - hardware can and will go bad - this is a valid reason -
and it can be disheartening to find out that you had purchased an OEM
version of Windows XP and when your motherboard and hard drive fried from
that lightning strike - the copy of Windows XP went with it because you
cannot get the manufacturer to replace it since your PC is out of warranty.
To be perfectly honest however, that would usually be the fault of the OEM
that sole you the PC for customizing the copy of Windows XP so much.. If
your machine was that old and you replaced the motherboard and hard drive
and reinstalled Windows - you would probably activate it with no problem if
the copy of Windows was a generic OEM.

The fact about activation is it is unlimited - you can do it as often as you
want as many times as you want and Microsoft has even stated that when
Windows XP support ends, the activation necessity will somehow be "removed".
If you are having trouble with activation by Internet - you try telephone
activation.. if you have to talk to a MS representative instead of the
automated line - you tell them your story.. Then you are reactivated. To
put it in simplest terms - if you wanted to reactivate your copy of Windows
XP without interacting with anyone - you could reinstall and do so every 121
days.

First of all - what caused this rant? Can we help solve this problem so
that your machine will not be so unreasonably unstable that you have to
reinstall this often? Are you performing tests opf some sort that requires
you to start at a certain point every so often? Have you ever considered an
imaging product to backup your system after a fresh installation/activation?

If this was more of a trolling expedition - I expect you to get a few more
hits with or without your further participation. Otherwise - perhaps you
should consider learning about your system, how to secure and stabilize it
and how to basically maintain/troubleshoot it and see if all of your worries
don't just go away... I'll wait for an answer before I assist further..

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP


About the only thing that can be said is if you haven't reached the 25 modem
activation limit yet, you don't know what you're talking about or in for.
That installation serial of yours is trash after 25 activations.

And still they miss the point that MS is calling anyone using their software a
bunch of liars and thieves. And they let a DUMB machine make that decision.

Why should you have to 'ACTIVATE' something you've already paid for more than
once ?

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Old July 17th 05, 06:07 AM
Husky
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:36:35 -0400, "Gary Tsang"
wrote:

Would you care to show us where this 25 use limit is pointed out?


Hit the limit, they'll tell you in Spanish, Thai, or Yiddish.

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Old July 17th 05, 06:14 AM
Husky
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:03:39 -0400, "Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)"
wrote:

Husky

Even if the activation limit was a reality, anybody who has to re-activate
24 times really shouldn't own a computer..


When you hit it and MS hasn't bought you out get back here.
25 is the limit on the serial for your OS by modem. 26- xxx are all by voice to
a machine that's programmed to fail, and an international caller on the other
end when it fails.

You don't need to reinstall the OS 25 times, upgrading software, replacing old
worthless parts, upgrading hardware, any time you reboot the machine the liar
software checks your last few changes.

If you use something it acquires wear and tear. requiring upgrading, replacing
parts.

But no sense really arguing with the MS robot dogs. You all seem to have been
bought off ages ago by MS.

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Old July 17th 05, 06:29 AM
Shenan Stanley
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Husky wrote:
About the only thing that can be said is if you haven't reached the
25 modem activation limit yet, you don't know what you're talking
about or in for. That installation serial of yours is trash after 25
activations.


No such limit - none - zero - zilch.

And still they miss the point that MS is calling anyone using their
software a bunch of liars and thieves. And they let a DUMB machine
make that decision.


No - that doesn't happen either.

Why should you have to 'ACTIVATE' something you've already paid for
more than once ?


You paid for the usage - not the product. Ever activated a credit card?

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Old July 17th 05, 06:30 AM
Shenan Stanley
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Husky wrote:
Hit the limit, they'll tell you in Spanish, Thai, or Yiddish.


There is no limit. You are mistaken.

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Old July 17th 05, 06:34 AM
Shenan Stanley
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Husky wrote:
When you hit it and MS hasn't bought you out get back here.
25 is the limit on the serial for your OS by modem. 26- xxx are all
by voice to a machine that's programmed to fail, and an international
caller on the other end when it fails.


Doesn't exist. No limit on activation.
You are just incorrect.
When you are wrong - you are just wrong - no matter what it is.
There is no limit on the number of times you can activate a license of
Windows XP.

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Old July 17th 05, 06:35 AM
Shenan Stanley
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Husky wrote:
If you haven't upgraded your machine often enough, or re-installed
the OS for whatever reason, and activated the MS liar software a
minimum of 25 times, you don't know what you're talking about.

The software that calls you liar and thief starts every time you run
the machine.

I replaced wheel mice maybe 5-6 times. each one triggering something
in the liar monitor. I didn't bother to track it because activation
took less than a minute. Now every time something blows up and the
liar software tells you to reactivate, it's going to be a minimum of
one hour listening to a machine that can't help you, then handed off
to someone where your language is a 2nd language to them assuming
they can read the numbers correctly the 1st few times.
I guess they assumed the numbers they threw out could be argued as
your fault, assuming you hadn't written them down as they were said.

From now on every time this machine gets the urge, it's back to the
same endless garbage on EVERY activation until I do switch to a
BETTER OS.. Where are you Amiga ??????????


Okay - ignore all my other responses to you..
In your world you are correct. Deal with it there. =)

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Old July 17th 05, 07:17 AM
Husky
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 00:34:12 -0500, "Shenan Stanley"
wrote:

Husky wrote:
When you hit it and MS hasn't bought you out get back here.
25 is the limit on the serial for your OS by modem. 26- xxx are all
by voice to a machine that's programmed to fail, and an international
caller on the other end when it fails.


Doesn't exist. No limit on activation.
You are just incorrect.
When you are wrong - you are just wrong - no matter what it is.
There is no limit on the number of times you can activate a license of
Windows XP.


You aren't the only one that doesn't have a clue what you're talking about, so
let me provide PROOF.

http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/bev/proof1.jpg
http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/bev/proof2.jpg

The word "EXCEEDED" plainly means a LIMITATION in every dictionary I've ever
read.

Final comment by the operator this will happen EVERY time it needs reactivation
from now on.
Voice activation ONLY !

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