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Old June 12th 06, 12:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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HeyBub wrote:

Tom Willett wrote:
http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441


Yes. They were caught by surprise in the vast number of priated copies
reporting in. The volume of data no doubt overwhelmed the poor folks.

By off-loading some of the work to the client computers -- so called
"distributed processing" -- the analysts at Micros~1 can concentrate
on big trends and not be buried in the details.


Source? Or are you dabbling in Fairy Tales?

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Old June 12th 06, 12:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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HeyBub wrote:

Tom Willett wrote:
http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441


Yes. They were caught by surprise in the vast number of priated copies
reporting in. The volume of data no doubt overwhelmed the poor folks.

By off-loading some of the work to the client computers -- so called
"distributed processing" -- the analysts at Micros~1 can concentrate
on big trends and not be buried in the details.


How long until someone writes some code to spam their servers with millions
of requests to validate bogus software?


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Old June 12th 06, 12:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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POP wrote:

Tom Willett wrote:
http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441



If you want the real story, go to MS and read it there.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, I'm sure MS has paid for the best marketing talent
to make up a nice bed time story.

WGA and the Three Billion Pirates.

Never,
ever rely on the media for an accurate account of anything, not
even quotes!


Who needs the media, when it is quite clear that MS is the largest
distributor of spy/malware on the planet Earth?

Beta software that is absolutely no use to the security of the End User,
disguised as a security high priority update, that phones home to MS.

So when is the MSkeystroke Logger coming to Microsoft Update?

All media links are good for are to tell you what
to look for at the horse's mouth (or whichever end).


I'm sure you are at the opposite end of the digestive tract from MS's
mouth.

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Old June 12th 06, 12:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Who needs the media, when it is quite clear that MS is the largest
distributor of spy/malware on the planet Earth?

Beta software that is absolutely no use to the security of the End User,
disguised as a security high priority update, that phones home to MS.

So when is the MSkeystroke Logger coming to Microsoft Update?


It already is... The software "Compares user input".


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Old June 12th 06, 12:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Ghostrider wrote:

kurttrail wrote:
Tom Willett wrote:


http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441



LOL! Instead of phoning home every day, MS is changing it to every
14 days!

Whoopy-do!


Now that the CIA has a real spymeister as its Director, maybe
Microsoft has to make good at being a legal, US Monopoly, as
sanctioned by Bush and friends. Reports at 14-day intervals
make for easier analysis of snooping. Perhaps a kind of payback
for the lackadaisical enforcement of the consent decree by DoJ?

Besides, what kind of spin is this?

"Microsoft said the phone-in feature is to check for updates and
is a kind of safety feature in case Microsoft has to suddenly disable
the program. The latter scenario would occur if the program, for
example, started to report pirated versions of Windows XP on computers
that had legitimate copies. No other information is passed on to
Microsoft through this feature, the company said."

There are already a number of false negatives, countered by
MGADiag.exe.


And not one report of MS disabling WGA remotely.

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  #21  
Old June 12th 06, 12:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Gary wrote:

Paranoid people should not use computers, credit cards, telephones, or store
discount cards to name a few.


What world you are living in? Business today and mercantilism
are demanding more on-line activity using computers, credit card
transactions, fax transmissions, and so forth. They should not
become the instruments that induce paranoia or even irrational
fears. But all it takes are devious minds to generate some real
concerns of privacy.
  #22  
Old June 12th 06, 12:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Gary wrote:

Paranoid people should not use computers, credit cards, telephones,
or store discount cards to name a few.


LOL! It's not paranioa when your concerns are justified.

WGA is of absolutely no use to me. Computers, credit cards, telephones,
and store discount cards are of varying use to me.

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  #23  
Old June 12th 06, 12:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase, Banks every
transaction you make, Telephone companys every call you make, Stores every
purchase you make, etc, etc. Then what is it about WGA that is makeing you
so paranoid?

Or is just something you can stand on your soap box and rant about?



"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Gary wrote:

Paranoid people should not use computers, credit cards, telephones,
or store discount cards to name a few.


LOL! It's not paranioa when your concerns are justified.

WGA is of absolutely no use to me. Computers, credit cards, telephones,
and store discount cards are of varying use to me.

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Kurt Kirsch
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And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."



  #24  
Old June 12th 06, 01:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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antioch wrote:
"John" wrote in message
news:1A0jg.24102$%m5.7592@trnddc04...
antioch wrote:
"The Unknown P" ( ) wrote in message
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Oddly enough it's quite simple to stop the Genuine advantage from
writing to
memory at boot time as well as calling home when it does so. Both I've
done
without any negative affects what so ever, and it's simple. Done through
my
firewall program. TTFN.
Do you go in and get updates or leave it blocked all the time????

Antioch

If you decide to decline there are no updates.

John


That's what I thought - he cant want them then?
Antioch


One can always get the patches manually.
  #25  
Old June 12th 06, 01:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Gary wrote:

If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase, Banks every
transaction you make, Telephone companys every call you make, Stores every
purchase you make, etc, etc. Then what is it about WGA that is makeing you
so paranoid?

Or is just something you can stand on your soap box and rant about?


The concern is that the "spying" proclivities of WGA was
foisted upon all unsuspecting and unexpecting most private
users of Windows XP. Users working in businesses that had
VLK versions of Windows XP were exempt from WGA but these
users can expect their activities to be monitored. There
is no reason for WGA to be reporting back to Microsoft on
a daily basis (or even a 14-day basis). There is already
an established database of all activations; re-activation
taps back into it in any event and validates the PK if it
is genuine. So, just what is the purpose of WGA? Why now
and not 3 months ago or next September? Microsoft admits
that WGA is a "pilot" program but does not offer an opt
out for those who had "automatically" updated. These are
some very serious concerns for the wary, not the paranoid.
Those of us who live in the US enjoy great personal privacy
and security. Many of us probably think that they should also
continue unfettered.

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Old June 12th 06, 01:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Gary wrote:

If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase, Banks every
transaction you make, Telephone companys every call you make, Stores every
purchase you make, etc, etc. Then what is it about WGA that is makeing you
so paranoid?

Or is just something you can stand on your soap box and rant about?


And yes, almost forgot to add, that credit card companies,
banks, telephone companies, etc., are regulated in what they
can do with the information that has been collected. WGA and
Microsoft are not, other than a single statement of privacy.
And, also, just who are the "client" computers and what type
of security exists within the "data farm" that holds all of
the activation, validation and WGA data? Whom do you trust?
Want to trust a company that surreptitiously innoculates an
unremovable trojan into your computer?
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Old June 12th 06, 01:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Hi Rhoda
Got my firewall blocking it as well for the moment - getting same message
etc.
I have not crashed yet :-)
Rgds
Antioch


"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in message
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POP wrote:
Tom Willett wrote:


http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441

If you want the real story, go to MS and read it there.


According to MS...

"Important

You've hidden important updates
You've asked us not to show you one or more high-priority updates
but your computer might be at risk until they are installed. Restore
them now"

...my computer is at risk because I won't let it reinstall WGA.

Never, ever rely on the media for an accurate account of anything,
not even quotes!


Totally agreed.

All media links are good for are to tell you what
to look for at the horse's mouth (or whichever end).


In this case, I do believe it's the other end.

I could allow WGA to reinstall itself--it's already downloaded, but I
disabled it, and no matter what, my firewall will not be letting it
out--but I'm annoyed, and I don't see that Microsoft has addressed the
overall intrusiveness issue.

Until it does, no WGA for me, even if it really does mean buying a Mac or
switching to Linux.

rl
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without the balls to live in the real world.
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Old June 12th 06, 01:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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Gary wrote:

If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase,


They don't. They only monitor the purchases I used my credit card I
have with them.

I still use cash alot.

Banks every
transaction you make,


No they don't.

Telephone companys every call you make,

I've used anonymous phone cards.

Stores
every purchase you make,


Again, I still use cash.

etc, etc. Then what is it about WGA that is
makeing you so paranoid?


I'm not paranoid about it. I don't NEED it for ANYTHING! It doesn't
make my computer run faster, better, or more efficiently. In fact, it
wastes my bandwith, adds more things that can go wrong with my OS, and
is still beta code on top of all that!

Or is just something you can stand on your soap box and rant about?


Copy-protection is anti-consumer technology. No consumer NEEDS it.
Period!

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Old June 12th 06, 01:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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"Gary" wrote in message
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If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase, Banks every
transaction you make, Telephone companys every call you make, Stores every
purchase you make, etc, etc. Then what is it about WGA that is makeing you
so paranoid?

Or is just something you can stand on your soap box and rant about?


I would have thought the answer to that was obvious -
FREEDOM OF CHOICE - perhaps you don't use it, want it or need it. I do.
Antioch


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Old June 12th 06, 01:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
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On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:52:05 -0400, kurttrail wrote:

Tom Willett wrote:

http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441


LOL! Instead of phoning home every day, MS is changing it to every 14
days!

Whoopy-do!


With a summary of the past 2 weeks perhaps :-)

Jon

 




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