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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
"Jon" wrote in message ... "Reach out and grep someone." Awk sed the yacc ... |
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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
nice info man :-)
-- Jon "0x2B | ~0x2B." - Hamlet "Mike Fields" spam_me_not_mr.gadget2@comcastDOTnet wrote in message ... "Jon" wrote in message ... "Reach out and grep someone." Awk sed the yacc ... |
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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
I think we should all be on parole. After all, sometimes during our
lifetime we might commit a crime. If all citizens were on parole before committing crimes we could better keep track on would be criminals. John Gary wrote: If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase, Banks every transaction you make, Telephone companys every call you make, Stores every purchase you make, etc, etc. Then what is it about WGA that is makeing you so paranoid? Or is just something you can stand on your soap box and rant about? "kurttrail" wrote in message ... Gary wrote: Paranoid people should not use computers, credit cards, telephones, or store discount cards to name a few. LOL! It's not paranioa when your concerns are justified. WGA is of absolutely no use to me. Computers, credit cards, telephones, and store discount cards are of varying use to me. -- Peace! Kurt Kirsch Self-anointed Moderator http://microscum.com "It'll soon shake your Windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin'." |
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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
POP wrote: Tom Willett wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441 If you want the real story, go to MS and read it there. According to MS... "Important You've hidden important updates You've asked us not to show you one or more high-priority updates but your computer might be at risk until they are installed. Restore them now" ...my computer is at risk because I won't let it reinstall WGA. Never, ever rely on the media for an accurate account of anything, not even quotes! Totally agreed. All media links are good for are to tell you what to look for at the horse's mouth (or whichever end). In this case, I do believe it's the other end. I could allow WGA to reinstall itself--it's already downloaded, but I disabled it, and no matter what, my firewall will not be letting it out--but I'm annoyed, and I don't see that Microsoft has addressed the overall intrusiveness issue. Until it does, no WGA for me, even if it really does mean buying a Mac or switching to Linux. rl Actually, if I could switch to Linux, I'd be there already. I'm learning disabled due to a concussion several years back, and my attempts at getting Linux up have failed to date. I can install it and run it OK, but then collecting all the apps and drivers is where I run into trouble. They might be available by now, but drivers were a big problem last time I tried, and there are some things MS does that Linux just doesn't do, or doesn't do well yet. If you want more than Open Office with Linux, it's a lot of work, especially if you aren't used to compiling and coding. It's not WGA makes me think this way; it's the bugginess in general of MS over the years, actually, plus the most obvious; Linux is still free right now. I still keep Knoppix around for playtime, but time isn't something I seem to have a lot of right now. Oh well. Just being rhetorical, Pop |
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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
The Unknown P wrote:
Oddly enough it's quite simple to stop the Genuine advantage from writing to memory at boot time as well as calling home when it does so. Both I've done without any negative affects what so ever, and it's simple. Done through my firewall program. TTFN. Your firewall isn't stopping it from "writing from memory", whatever you mean by that. It's only stopping i/o at the port. |
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Ghostrider wrote:
Gary wrote: Paranoid people should not use computers, credit cards, telephones, or store discount cards to name a few. What world you are living in? Business today and mercantilism are demanding more on-line activity using computers, credit card transactions, fax transmissions, and so forth. They should not become the instruments that induce paranoia or even irrational fears. But all it takes are devious minds to generate some real concerns of privacy. A proper amount of paranoia is a must anywhere these days; otherwise your gullibility will eat you alive. |
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POP wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote: POP wrote: Tom Willett wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441 If you want the real story, go to MS and read it there. According to MS... "Important You've hidden important updates You've asked us not to show you one or more high-priority updates but your computer might be at risk until they are installed. Restore them now" ...my computer is at risk because I won't let it reinstall WGA. Never, ever rely on the media for an accurate account of anything, not even quotes! Totally agreed. All media links are good for are to tell you what to look for at the horse's mouth (or whichever end). In this case, I do believe it's the other end. I could allow WGA to reinstall itself--it's already downloaded, but I disabled it, and no matter what, my firewall will not be letting it out--but I'm annoyed, and I don't see that Microsoft has addressed the overall intrusiveness issue. Until it does, no WGA for me, even if it really does mean buying a Mac or switching to Linux. rl Actually, if I could switch to Linux, I'd be there already. I'm learning disabled due to a concussion several years back, and my attempts at getting Linux up have failed to date. I can install it and run it OK, but then collecting all the apps and drivers is where I run into trouble. From all I've read about Linux, I don't think your head injury has anything to do with the problem you're having. They might be available by now, but drivers were a big problem last time I tried, and there are some things MS does that Linux just doesn't do, or doesn't do well yet. If you want more than Open Office with Linux, it's a lot of work, especially if you aren't used to compiling and coding. It's not WGA makes me think this way; it's the bugginess in general of MS over the years, actually, plus the most obvious; Linux is still free right now. I still keep Knoppix around for playtime, but time isn't something I seem to have a lot of right now. Oh well. Linux seems to be geared towards those who are willing to devote much of their free time to getting it set up and maintaining it. I have that time right now, but soon I won't. My other issue is that (before this WGA debacle) I wanted to keep the same platform at home that I will be using at work. For me, I'm pretty sure a Mac is going to be the answer (as it was in the past). On the other hand--and again, based only on what I've read--Linux users seem quite eager to convert the masses, so I do think the support is there for those who want to switch. -- Rhonda Lea Kirk Insisting on perfect safety is for people without the balls to live in the real world. Mary Shafer Iliff |
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.... ... Microsoft admits
that WGA is a "pilot" program but does not offer an opt out for those who had "automatically" updated. .... Most people are missin the word "pilot", I think. They're establishing a mechanism for anti-piracy and may eventually have immediate actions added to the mix. They have the right, by their license, to do anything they like with their software, which you have only licensed, and licensing is your only hope for "survival". "Aha, not legal, eh? OK, block keyboard, block mouse, DEL *.*, block ports and all other i/o, Quit. Blacklist IP, blacklist email, blacklist current cookies, blacklist etc etc etc, initiate monitior for blocked items. They could even damage the low level format on your disks, which very few can redo any longer. Remember, the Format.* you have now, with your os, is not a low level format. Only point is, they can do whatever they please. Marketing is the only dept that's going to care until Finance gets upset. Pop |
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Ghostrider wrote:
Gary wrote: If credit card companys monitor everything you purchase, Banks every transaction you make, Telephone companys every call you make, Stores every purchase you make, etc, etc. Then what is it about WGA that is makeing you so paranoid? Or is just something you can stand on your soap box and rant about? And yes, almost forgot to add, that credit card companies, banks, telephone companies, etc., are regulated in what they can do with the information that has been collected. WGA and Microsoft are not, other than a single statement of privacy. And, also, just who are the "client" computers and what type of security exists within the "data farm" that holds all of the activation, validation and WGA data? Whom do you trust? Want to trust a company that surreptitiously innoculates an unremovable trojan into your computer? Or a gvt that gives away your social security number? |
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"POP" wrote in message ... Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote: POP wrote: Tom Willett wrote: http://www.informationweek.com/inter...leID=188703441 If you want the real story, go to MS and read it there. According to MS... "Important You've hidden important updates You've asked us not to show you one or more high-priority updates but your computer might be at risk until they are installed. Restore them now" ...my computer is at risk because I won't let it reinstall WGA. Never, ever rely on the media for an accurate account of anything, not even quotes! Totally agreed. All media links are good for are to tell you what to look for at the horse's mouth (or whichever end). In this case, I do believe it's the other end. I could allow WGA to reinstall itself--it's already downloaded, but I disabled it, and no matter what, my firewall will not be letting it out--but I'm annoyed, and I don't see that Microsoft has addressed the overall intrusiveness issue. Until it does, no WGA for me, even if it really does mean buying a Mac or switching to Linux. rl Actually, if I could switch to Linux, I'd be there already. I'm learning disabled due to a concussion several years back, and my attempts at getting Linux up have failed to date. I can install it and run it OK, but then collecting all the apps and drivers is where I run into trouble. They might be available by now, but drivers were a big problem last time I tried, and there are some things MS does that Linux just doesn't do, or doesn't do well yet. If you want more than Open Office with Linux, it's a lot of work, especially if you aren't used to compiling and coding. It's not WGA makes me think this way; it's the bugginess in general of MS over the years, actually, plus the most obvious; Linux is still free right now. I still keep Knoppix around for playtime, but time isn't something I seem to have a lot of right now. Oh well. Just being rhetorical, Pop Installing new software has become alot simpler. You can now, for the most part, just click on an application you want to install, and all dependencies etc are downloaded and installed for you. Drivers, eg for modems, can still be problematic, though. I've been playing with this one for the last couple of weeks, which is particularly pleasant and may be worth a try - little fish swimming around in the taskbar and a pleasant interface - it's also similar to Knoppix, in that it's also a live cd, that you can boot from and play with before installing to hard drive. To install new packages, you just go into KPackage or Synaptic Package Manager and type the names / click on the ones you want. SimplyMepis [Passwords for the cd are the same as the user name eg 'root' for root etc] http://www.mepis.com/ Jon |
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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
John John wrote: I think we should all be on parole. After all, sometimes during our lifetime we might commit a crime. If all citizens were on parole before committing crimes we could better keep track on would be criminals. John The way this Republican Administration and Congress are writing the laws, some pundits already estimate that at least one-third of the residents in the US will plead guilty to or be convicted of a crime within the next 10 years. And a recent CBS news report mentions that Halliburton is building more prisons to house at least 25 million convicts. Since piracy is a crime and possession of stolen property is a crime, Microsoft might have many people whose software has been invalidated by WGA brought up on charges, should matters go to that extreme. It will be pay Microsoft now or pay Microsoft (restitution) and the US Government (the fine) later. |
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"Noozer" wrote in
: By off-loading some of the work to the client computers -- so called "distributed processing" -- the analysts at Micros~1 can concentrate on big trends and not be buried in the details. How long until someone writes some code to spam their servers with millions of requests to validate bogus software? Now that you mentioned it, probably not long !!!! A new worm perhaps, WGA.Worm.32 !! |
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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
Anyone claiming there are no updates is full of crap. I ran the WGA once and
once only and then continued to deny accessing to writing to memory at bootup as well as denying access to the internet. Neither of which stopped me from getting any updates. I update once a week, usually after Tuesday which seems to be the time MS releases new updates. I simply go to the windows update site and then use the custom button. All updates I need\want are available to me for download. TTFN. -- There are three types of people in computing, those that can count and those that can't. |
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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
Yawn. AS I use Zone Alarm and it has much more than simple firewall
capabilties it does give me a pop-up asking if I want to block WGA from writing to memory as well as accessing the internet. It's all in the program control section. I do want and do get the updates without problems. You don't have to take my word for it, try it yourself. I'm simply saying this is what I do and Zone Alarm is what I use to do it. TTFN. -- There are three types of people in computing, those that can count and those that can't. |
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Microsoft Changes WGA Following Spyware Allegations
The Unknown P wrote:
There are three types of people in computing, those that can count and those that can't. No there's a fourth type - those that won't quote. PLONK! -- Gordon Burgess-Parker Systems and Management Accounting www.gbpcomputing.co.uk |
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