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Gerry Cornell wrote:
Gordon Just Ctrl+End before you start to type. if you do the registry change, you don't even need to do that! |
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Offer Wes your other leg he will pull that one to g.
I might like to ride a horse at leisure times but I would prefer the latest limousine to go to and from work. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , 123WVogel955 @comcast.net says... A properly snipped reply should have the reply visible without scrolling to read the top few lines (at least). Sounds reasonable. No matter what the problem may be, unless I am really interested in what they have to say, I won't scroll a mile and a half to get there. Sheesh. Probably have to scroll a mile and a half to read that sentence. ;-) So, why do you still use a email client? :-) -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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Wesley Vogel wrote:
I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the reply. The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the top or the bottom. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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"Leythos" wrote in message
... In article , says... Windows Mail has the option to compose at the bottom of the message But it doesn't seem that many email client users understand that, and it appears to not properly post at the bottom and it doesn't properly snip signatures. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16386 Which is evident from your posts. What about the word 'option' do you not understand? I, and it should be obvious to you, am using the sane program and version but with an easy change to options. -- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM http://www.fjsmjs.com Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail. |
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So, why do you still use a email client? :-)
MSIMN.EXE is MicroSoft Internet Mail and News. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes MS-MVP Windows Shell/User In , Leythos hunted and pecked: In article , 123WVogel955 @comcast.net says... A properly snipped reply should have the reply visible without scrolling to read the top few lines (at least). Sounds reasonable. No matter what the problem may be, unless I am really interested in what they have to say, I won't scroll a mile and a half to get there. Sheesh. Probably have to scroll a mile and a half to read that sentence. ;-) So, why do you still use a email client? :-) -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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Ken
Messages are written for the benefit of the person to whom they are addressed. Not for the benefit of onlookers. The inclusion of what has been said previously is not normally included in a letter. I wonder why it is included in newsgroup messages. Is it another bizarre Usenet tradition that really has no point. The person receiving the message is really only interested in what new information he is receiving. This messages is neither top nor bottom posted! -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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I'm 'stuck' with Windows mail now.. and I prefer top posting anyway..
"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message ... Mike So does OE if that what you want! -- ~~~~ Gerry ~~~~~~~~ Enquire, plan and execute. Stourport, England ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in message ... Windows Mail has the option to compose at the bottom of the message "Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , says... Outlook Express is free, and works well as a newsreader.. I now use Windows Mail as I run Vista 24/7.. it's free and works well.. While OE is free, it does not work well - as shown my your reply, it puts the reply at the top instead of the bottom where it belongs. OE also requires a patch in order to properly quote and delimit sigs. -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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Ken
I always look at the post directly preceding, assuming that I do not have to scroll down much.. I also tend to read all threads in a bid to ascertain what has been suggested already.. kind of like starting at page one.. "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Wesley Vogel wrote: I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the reply. The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the top or the bottom. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Leythos
It entirely depends on the purpose of the newsgroup. The purpose here is for those with knowledge to help those with a problem relating to a Microsoft product. It is secondary that others may share the benefit of seeing how particular problems are resolved. You seem to think that sharing is the primary purpose. I do not agree. Retention on the Microsoft servers is 90 days. The retention period on other servers is irrelevant. All who wish to participate in these newsgroups have free access on the basis indicated. The inclusion of the content of earlier messages is not necessary. Few threads last longer than a few days, so that they will complete long before they expire. Messages do not get lost because you have not included what went before. They get lost because they are incorrectly addressed. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , says... Usenet is designed to share with the masses, it's not a medium for individual to individual communications - it was designed for sharing with everyone in the group/community. As such, you have to understand that not all threads are retained on all servers, some expire before a reader can see the previous post, etc... The proper method has always been to quote only enough to make your reply make sense to readers of the thread. If you reply without quoting your message could be lost and seen without meaning. -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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Do you like Fords or Chevys better? ;-)
Foreign makes do not count. -- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes MS-MVP Windows Shell/User In , Ken Blake, MVP hunted and pecked: Wesley Vogel wrote: I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the reply. The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the top or the bottom. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Mike
There's quite a few who don't! It is understandable if the person doesn't see a message posted in the last 30 minutes but it's irritating when they ignore messages posted over 6 hours previously. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in message ... I always look at the post directly preceding, assuming that I do not have to scroll down much.. I also tend to read all threads in a bid to ascertain what has been suggested already.. kind of like starting at page one.. |
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Customs change. They become outmoded.
-- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Flatus Ohlfahrt" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:45:57 GMT, Leythos wrote in : |
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Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
Ken I always look at the post directly preceding, assuming that I do not have to scroll down much.. I also tend to read all threads in a bid to ascertain what has been suggested already.. kind of like starting at page one.. Many newsgroup participants, including me, do not view already-read messages. They are no longer there to see, so I do not have the choice of looking at the previous messages in the thread. If I chose to set my newsreader to view already -read messages, I would have far more messages to have to scroll through each day, and it would take me much longer to do so. I'm not interested in doing that. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Wesley Vogel wrote: I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the reply. The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the top or the bottom. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Wesley Vogel wrote:
Do you like Fords or Chevys better? ;-) No, I don't ;-) Foreign makes do not count. They do to me. I like Toyota. ;-) -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup In , Ken Blake, MVP hunted and pecked: Wesley Vogel wrote: I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long threads with all of the replies included. I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the reply. The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the top or the bottom. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Ken
Not true. You do have the choice but you prefer to exercise that choice one particular way, If I understand it correctly you have opted for "Hide Read Messages" in combination with "Watch Read Messages". This is a commonly used approach. An alternative is Show All Messages, Group Messages by Conversation toggling Replies to my Messages on and off. Whilst the first approach brings to your attention the replies to your own messages it can omit other replies in adjacent sub-threads. The result is that the user can fail to realise that another correspondent has answered the question some time ago. With Replies to my Messages enabled the threads containing unread messages are immediately obvious. If threads go off page you can easily realise someone has replied because, having read all immediately visible messages the status bar is still showing unread messages. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Snipped They are no longer there to see, so I do not have the choice of looking at the previous messages in the thread. Snipped -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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