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  #31  
Old December 13th 06, 07:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gordon
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Gerry Cornell wrote:

Gordon

Just Ctrl+End before you start to type.


if you do the registry change, you don't even need to do that!
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  #32  
Old December 13th 06, 10:48 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Offer Wes your other leg he will pull that one to g.

I might like to ride a horse at leisure times but I would prefer
the latest limousine to go to and from work.

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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In article , 123WVogel955
@comcast.net says...
A properly snipped reply should have the reply visible without
scrolling
to read the top few lines (at least).


Sounds reasonable.

No matter what the problem may be, unless I am really interested in
what
they have to say, I won't scroll a mile and a half to get there.

Sheesh. Probably have to scroll a mile and a half to read that
sentence.
;-)


So, why do you still use a email client? :-)

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  #33  
Old December 13th 06, 06:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Ken Blake, MVP
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Wesley Vogel wrote:

I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially
on long threads with all of the replies included.




I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long
threads with all of the replies included.

I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the
top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the
reply.

The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one
top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant to
your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted material,
it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply. If you trim
adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and understand,
whether it's on the top or the bottom.

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  #35  
Old December 13th 06, 09:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Wesley Vogel
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So, why do you still use a email client? :-)

MSIMN.EXE is MicroSoft Internet Mail and News.

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807

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In ,
Leythos hunted and pecked:
In article , 123WVogel955
@comcast.net says...
A properly snipped reply should have the reply visible without scrolling
to read the top few lines (at least).


Sounds reasonable.

No matter what the problem may be, unless I am really interested in what
they have to say, I won't scroll a mile and a half to get there.

Sheesh. Probably have to scroll a mile and a half to read that sentence.
;-)


So, why do you still use a email client? :-)

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  #36  
Old December 14th 06, 12:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Ken

Messages are written for the benefit of the person to whom they are
addressed. Not for the benefit of onlookers. The inclusion of what has
been said previously is not normally included in a letter. I wonder
why it is included in newsgroup messages. Is it another bizarre Usenet
tradition that really has no point. The person receiving the message is
really only interested in what new information he is receiving.

This messages is neither top nor bottom posted!

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  #37  
Old December 14th 06, 02:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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I'm 'stuck' with Windows mail now.. and I prefer top posting anyway..


"Gerry Cornell" wrote in message
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Mike

So does OE if that what you want!

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"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in
message ...
Windows Mail has the option to compose at the bottom of the message


"Leythos" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
Outlook Express is free, and works well as a newsreader.. I now use
Windows
Mail as I run Vista 24/7.. it's free and works well..

While OE is free, it does not work well - as shown my your reply, it
puts the reply at the top instead of the bottom where it belongs.

OE also requires a patch in order to properly quote and delimit sigs.


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  #38  
Old December 14th 06, 02:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
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Ken

I always look at the post directly preceding, assuming that I do not have to
scroll down much.. I also tend to read all threads in a bid to ascertain
what has been suggested already.. kind of like starting at page one..


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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Wesley Vogel wrote:

I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially
on long threads with all of the replies included.




I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long
threads with all of the replies included.

I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the
top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the
reply.

The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one
top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant
to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted
material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply.
If you trim adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and
understand, whether it's on the top or the bottom.

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  #39  
Old December 14th 06, 02:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Leythos

It entirely depends on the purpose of the newsgroup. The purpose here
is for those with knowledge to help those with a problem relating to a
Microsoft product. It is secondary that others may share the benefit of
seeing how particular problems are resolved. You seem to think that
sharing is the primary purpose. I do not agree.

Retention on the Microsoft servers is 90 days. The retention period on
other servers is irrelevant. All who wish to participate in these
newsgroups
have free access on the basis indicated. The inclusion of the content of
earlier messages is not necessary. Few threads last longer than a few
days, so that they will complete long before they expire.

Messages do not get lost because you have not included what went
before. They get lost because they are incorrectly addressed.

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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In article ,

says...

Usenet is designed to share with the masses, it's not a medium for
individual to individual communications - it was designed for sharing
with everyone in the group/community.

As such, you have to understand that not all threads are retained on
all
servers, some expire before a reader can see the previous post, etc...
The proper method has always been to quote only enough to make your
reply make sense to readers of the thread.

If you reply without quoting your message could be lost and seen
without
meaning.

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  #40  
Old December 14th 06, 02:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Wesley Vogel
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Do you like Fords or Chevys better? ;-)

Foreign makes do not count.

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In ,
Ken Blake, MVP hunted and pecked:
Wesley Vogel wrote:

I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially
on long threads with all of the replies included.




I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on long
threads with all of the replies included.

I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out what the
top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up to read the
reply.

The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with whether one
top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming what's not relevant
to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots of irrelevant quoted
material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able to understand your reply.
If you trim adequately, your reply is generally easy to find, read, and
understand, whether it's on the top or the bottom.

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  #41  
Old December 14th 06, 03:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Mike

There's quite a few who don't! It is understandable if the person
doesn't see a message posted in the last 30 minutes but it's
irritating when they ignore messages posted over 6 hours
previously.

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"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in
message ...


I always look at the post directly preceding, assuming that I do not
have to scroll down much.. I also tend to read all threads in a bid to
ascertain what has been suggested already.. kind of like starting at
page one..




  #42  
Old December 14th 06, 03:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Customs change. They become outmoded.

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:45:57 GMT, Leythos wrote in
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  #43  
Old December 14th 06, 04:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Ken Blake, MVP
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Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote:
Ken

I always look at the post directly preceding, assuming that I do not
have to scroll down much.. I also tend to read all threads in a bid
to ascertain what has been suggested already.. kind of like starting
at page one..



Many newsgroup participants, including me, do not view already-read
messages. They are no longer there to see, so I do not have the choice of
looking at the previous messages in the thread. If I chose to set my
newsreader to view already -read messages, I would have far more messages to
have to scroll through each day, and it would take me much longer to do so.
I'm not interested in doing that.


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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
Wesley Vogel wrote:

I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially
on long threads with all of the replies included.




I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on
long threads with all of the replies included.

I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out
what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up
to read the reply.

The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with
whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming
what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots
of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able
to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is
generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the
top or the bottom. --
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup



  #44  
Old December 14th 06, 04:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Ken Blake, MVP
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Wesley Vogel wrote:

Do you like Fords or Chevys better? ;-)



No, I don't ;-)


Foreign makes do not count.



They do to me. I like Toyota. ;-)

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In ,
Ken Blake, MVP hunted and pecked:
Wesley Vogel wrote:

I do not bother to read a lot of bottom posted messages. Especially
on long threads with all of the replies included.




I don't bother to read a lot of top-posted messages. Especially on
long threads with all of the replies included.

I would have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to find out
what the top-posting is in reply to, then scroll all the way back up
to read the reply.

The real issue, as far as I'm concerned, has little to do with
whether one top-posts or bottom posts. It has to do with trimming
what's not relevant to your reply. If you don't trim, and leave lots
of irrelevant quoted material, it takes lots of scrolling to be able
to understand your reply. If you trim adequately, your reply is
generally easy to find, read, and understand, whether it's on the
top or the bottom.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup



  #45  
Old December 14th 06, 11:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Gerry Cornell
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Ken

Not true. You do have the choice but you prefer to exercise
that choice one particular way,

If I understand it correctly you have opted for "Hide Read
Messages" in combination with "Watch Read Messages".
This is a commonly used approach.

An alternative is Show All Messages, Group Messages by
Conversation toggling Replies to my Messages on and off.

Whilst the first approach brings to your attention the replies
to your own messages it can omit other replies in adjacent
sub-threads. The result is that the user can fail to realise
that another correspondent has answered the question
some time ago.

With Replies to my Messages enabled the threads
containing unread messages are immediately obvious.
If threads go off page you can easily realise someone
has replied because, having read all immediately visible
messages the status bar is still showing unread messages.

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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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Snipped

They are no longer there to see, so I do not have the choice of
looking at the previous messages in the thread.

Snipped


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