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Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Twaddle. I approve every single registry change that is made. If I don't approve it, no change is made. Perfectly safe. If the registry cleaner is so "perfectly safe," why do you feel the need to approve each and every change? You do realize, don't you, that you've just added weight to the position you're trying to argue against? -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!
Balderdash...
Good software has checks and balances built in -- with full input by the user. CCleaner does an excellent job of cleaning the registry -- and incorporating user input -- just as a good physician or attorney does. Chambers seems to be the resident Village Idiot here. Does he always provide Great Entertainment like this? It's like having a pet kigme -- always ready to take a sharp, swift kick to the derriere. -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Twaddle. I approve every single registry change that is made. If I don't approve it, no change is made. Perfectly safe. If the registry cleaner is so "perfectly safe," why do you feel the need to approve each and every change? You do realize, don't you, that you've just added weight to the position you're trying to argue against? |
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Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
... D. Spencer Hines wrote: .... .... Bruce, DNFTEC; you'll only get bitten. See http://lcngarc.twoshakesofalambstail...998120729.html -- Noel |
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Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!
Ildhund wrote:
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: ... ... Bruce, DNFTEC; you'll only get bitten. See http://lcngarc.twoshakesofalambstail...998120729.html I see your point, but my primary concern is to ensure that there's a rebuttal to the deliberately harmful advice these people post, so that newbies are at least warned of the dangers. If doing so also boosts the sad little trolls' egos, I think it's a price I'll just have to accept. Anyway, they generally make themselves look increasingly desperate and pathetic with each new post. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Balderdash... Good software has checks and balances built in -- with full input by the user. CCleaner does an excellent job of cleaning the registry -- and incorporating user input -- just as a good physician or attorney does. snip What on earth have physicians and attorneys got to do with CCleaner. You are a really strange person! I use to be an advocate of Registry Cleaners. I use to try them all and was quite convinced they were an essential for efficient computer management. Perhaps in the days pre WINXP they were useful. I read all the cautionary advice given in the NGs and like you dismissed them. Everytime I experienced a glitch, time to run a 'cleaner' and I use to have 'glitches' at regular intervals. I then decided perhaps I should stop running these Cleaners and see what happens. Now I no longer have these 'glitches' or any need to restore the Registry (ERUNT) from time to time. My experience has been sufficient for me to relate machine problems (glitches) with Registry Cleaners. Before you comment, I do run programs like CCleaner, not the Registry Cleaner component, and Disk Cleaner regularly to clear out the 'trash' . Actually I think Disk Cleaner is the better of the programs. What I do question is that Registry Cleaners will or may corrupt the Registry to the extent of preventing boot up. This statement I simply find absurd. For a Registry Cleaner to do this it would need to remove/corrupt Registry entries that are essential to the OS. Even with the most rudimentary Quality Control the software designer would identify and correct that before the program was issued. Registry Cleaners certainly do remove entries that are required by some programs to operate (empty keys no doubt) and this is where they fall down. I suppose the essential question is, in what way does the removal of empty and redundant data in the Registry improve machine performance and/or in what way do empty and redundant keys impair machine performance. If the machine must read every Registry entry to permit it to execute a command then the answer is self evident but that is not the case. Registry Cleaners are a con. There only value is to give the users of such programs a 'feel good' feeling. These programs remove entries in the Registry of entries that do not require removal and by doing so sometimes 'throws the baby out with the bath water'. |
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Never happened to me...
Fact: My system runs smoother and swifter since I started using the CCleaner registry cleaner. I'm not vouching for regcleaners in GENERAL. So your post was one long non sequitur. 'Nuff Said. -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Edward W. Thompson" wrote in message ... baldersnip Registry Cleaners are a con. There [sic] only value is to give the users of such programs a 'feel good' feeling. These programs remove entries in the Registry of entries that do not require removal and by doing so sometimes [sic] 'throws [sic] the baby out with the bath water'. |
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Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!
"Bruce Chambers" schreef in bericht ... Ildhund wrote: "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: ... ... Bruce, DNFTEC; you'll only get bitten. See http://lcngarc.twoshakesofalambstail...998120729.html I see your point, but my primary concern is to ensure that there's a rebuttal to the deliberately harmful advice these people post, so that newbies are at least warned of the dangers. If doing so also boosts the sad little trolls' egos, I think it's a price I'll just have to accept. Anyway, they generally make themselves look increasingly desperate and pathetic with each new post. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot What a lot of crap I read here. cCleaner is not so good as some think. It produces a lot of problems and there are far better programs available with much less problems. |
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Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!
Cleaning the registry does absolutely nothing to improve speed and
performance, any increase in performance is more likely due to CC getting rid of temp files. Given the massive size of the registry, cleaning it out and claiming that the computer runs faster is akin to running the vacuum cleaner in your car and then claiming that the car goes faster because you got rid of a pound of dust and dirt! Once in a blue moon a registry cleaner may be of help to experienced users trying to troubleshoot problems, othewise these tools are next to useless or worse. These tools *do* cause problems but most of the people who use them don't have enough experience to see the link to the damage done by the cleaner. John D. Spencer Hines wrote: Never happened to me... Fact: My system runs smoother and swifter since I started using the CCleaner registry cleaner. I'm not vouching for regcleaners in GENERAL. So your post was one long non sequitur. 'Nuff Said. |
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:50:57 +0100, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Twaddle. I approve every single registry change that is made. If I don't approve it, no change is made. Perfectly safe. I don't need a registry cleaner to recommend changes which I then have to approve. Unless I have some indication that there is a registry change needed, I don't make changes. I've got a few "dead" keys. I don't see how they make any difference. Any tool which offers suggested changes is dangerous in the hands of those who don't know what the tool does. Anybody who does know what the registry cleaner is recommending, probably doesn't even need the cleaner. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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Those who want to dumb every piece of software down to the point that
even the most rank newbie can NEVER get in trouble with it should be condemned to use ONLY that software. -- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum |
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OT Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted. CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. No, it is not worthless as a registry cleaner. It doesn't clean deep, but it isn't worthless. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, a wasted effort at that point, since all it found were the "in case" chaff MS sticks in all over the place. Big deal; if they're needed, they'll get put back with the installs, but ... it's really counterproductive and a waste of time to run a cleaner at that point. and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard. The orphaned entries were just that; orphaned. It doesn't take a CRAY to determine that an entry is an orphan. Suspicious Files, well, if you RTFM, it told you how to treat those. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.) And that is pure BS and you know it, as surely as you have a closed mind. Because of your claims, I did the exact same test you claim to have done, here on a sandbox XP laptop not too long ago, got rid of the orphans it was willing to remove, and left the suspicious files alone since I didn't want to go see what they were. Told it to not be so picky, reran the test & those didn't show up, just as the instructions predicted.. After completeion of build, machine ran perfectly. Installed Office, DVD support, OOo, local Apache Server, PHP, AV and anti-spyware with several other minor apps & all were quite happy. Repeated ccleaner, no more issues, no problems. Then once I was sure all was well I re-imaged the drive, ran ccleaner, no problems found, and all is well since. Why you would bother to run a trgistry cleaner immediately after a clean install is beyond me, though. Talk about a waste of time! But, speaking of waste ... If you want to actually help people out in this area, why don't you test and identify a set of reliable applications and/or offer to give an opinion on whether a chosen one is reliable or not? But you won't; it's easier to just parrot your closed minded attitude that apparently knows very little about the subject. If you were really knowledgeable, you would also consider normal day to day read/write sources to the registry and explain how you excuse those when you posit that anything that touches the registry is bunk? How do you justify allowing that to happen? I've actually encountered more MS-caused registry problems over the years than I have from non-MS applications that use the registry in similar manners. These aren't for you; they're for the many who enjoy follosing this kind of link and who might like a little information on the subject. Even with their own built in biases, these links are a breath of fresh air compared to yours. http://download.iolo.net/articles/Registry1.pdf http://www.raxco.com/products/perfec...RXSuite_wp.pdf Twayne |
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How do you feel about NTREGOPT.EXE?
-- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Twayne" wrote in message ... D. Spencer Hines wrote: Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted. CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. No, it is not worthless as a registry cleaner. It doesn't clean deep, but it isn't worthless. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, a wasted effort at that point, since all it found were the "in case" chaff MS sticks in all over the place. Big deal; if they're needed, they'll get put back with the installs, but ... it's really counterproductive and a waste of time to run a cleaner at that point. and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard. The orphaned entries were just that; orphaned. It doesn't take a CRAY to determine that an entry is an orphan. Suspicious Files, well, if you RTFM, it told you how to treat those. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.) And that is pure BS and you know it, as surely as you have a closed mind. Because of your claims, I did the exact same test you claim to have done, here on a sandbox XP laptop not too long ago, got rid of the orphans it was willing to remove, and left the suspicious files alone since I didn't want to go see what they were. Told it to not be so picky, reran the test & those didn't show up, just as the instructions predicted.. After completeion of build, machine ran perfectly. Installed Office, DVD support, OOo, local Apache Server, PHP, AV and anti-spyware with several other minor apps & all were quite happy. Repeated ccleaner, no more issues, no problems. Then once I was sure all was well I re-imaged the drive, ran ccleaner, no problems found, and all is well since. Why you would bother to run a trgistry cleaner immediately after a clean install is beyond me, though. Talk about a waste of time! But, speaking of waste ... If you want to actually help people out in this area, why don't you test and identify a set of reliable applications and/or offer to give an opinion on whether a chosen one is reliable or not? But you won't; it's easier to just parrot your closed minded attitude that apparently knows very little about the subject. If you were really knowledgeable, you would also consider normal day to day read/write sources to the registry and explain how you excuse those when you posit that anything that touches the registry is bunk? How do you justify allowing that to happen? I've actually encountered more MS-caused registry problems over the years than I have from non-MS applications that use the registry in similar manners. These aren't for you; they're for the many who enjoy follosing this kind of link and who might like a little information on the subject. Even with their own built in biases, these links are a breath of fresh air compared to yours. http://download.iolo.net/articles/Registry1.pdf http://www.raxco.com/products/perfec...RXSuite_wp.pdf Twayne |
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f'ups set to reduce silly waste of ether
Bruce Chambers wrote: D. Spencer Hines wrote: Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted. CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. I tried the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.) Did you check any of the "orphaned entries?" Perhaps the OS installation was the culprit... The orphaned entries aren't actual problems unless their quantity gets so high it takes noticeable time for the os to traverse them. They are mostly "in case" type crap that MS puts all over the place for future use, but they are not necessary to have. It's similar to the stuff left over after you uninstall an MS program; it leaves the folders and a bunch of files there on the disk and in the registry "just in case" you reinstall it or are upgrading something. When their numbers reach a few thousand after a year or so, there can be noticeably longer boot times associated with all the crapola strewn all over the place, especially when you consider that some of the registry hives only exist after boot time; they are created on the fly during boot up, and then during normal day to day registry reads/writes they are all excess and useless data that has to be looked at and discarded. The registry is a database but it's not really a relational database; it's much closer to a flat database in most of the ways it runs. The time to run things like ccleaner is after a machine is installed and running; it's pretty much a waste of time right after a clean install of windows anyway. There may not have been near as many after everything was installed, but I've never been sure whether in installation uses and already created point in the registry or goes ahead and creates it own anyway. If you're so inclined, there are some registry monitoring programs (regmon for instance) that are interesting to watch at work. An install usually creates a gazillion temporary files, its own install files get copied to disk, get uncompressed, the install happens, and then supposedly they are removed from the disk and from the registry, although that seldom happens completely. It's an interesting process to watch at work. Twayne |
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Nonsense...
CCleaner is an: Excellent... Safe... Registry Cleaner. I've been using it for several years now with good results. Bruce Chambers wrote: D. Spencer Hines wrote: Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted. CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. Well, I'll agree they are no less reliable or dangerous than any other decently written application. "Things happen" so I'm a little careful of "always", but yes, you're right. Twayne |
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Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!
D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Nonsense... CCleaner is an: Excellent... Safe... Registry Cleaner. There is *NO* such thing. I've been using it for several years now with good results. Documentation? Benchmarks from before and after? Oh, and make sure they either been notarized or verified by an independent laboratory. In other words, only when someone finally produces verifiable scientific evidence will I give such claims a lick of credence. Nice response, but I asked you for that long, long ago and have reminded you of it several times. I even provided you some documentation and benchmarks years ago but you were phrasing your questoin differently then. Why is it you can not do what you ask of others? Twayne |
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