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  #1  
Old May 14th 05, 11:40 PM
David Sewell
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Default Win xp oem activation hits me clear as mud!

I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David


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Old May 14th 05, 11:51 PM
Keith AH
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No you are incorrect

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David




  #3  
Old May 14th 05, 11:59 PM
David Sewell
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Please, but you might tell me where I'm incorrect thanks, sir...
Genuine thanks from the UK!

David


"Keith AH" wrote in message
...
No you are incorrect

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming

I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to

motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David






  #4  
Old May 15th 05, 12:15 AM
Keith AH
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This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your
customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the
original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal
computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software cannot be
transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or
replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been
created and the license of new operating system software is required.
If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to
acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user license
agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by that EULA. The
EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user by the PC manufacturer
and relates only to rights for that software as installed on that particular
PC. The System Builder is required to support the software on that
individual PC. Understanding that end users, over time, upgrade their PC
with different components, Microsoft needed to have one base component "left
standing" that would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard
contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard
is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created.
The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected to support this
new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
Please, but you might tell me where I'm incorrect thanks, sir...
Genuine thanks from the UK!

David


"Keith AH" wrote in message
...
No you are incorrect

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of
retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in
assuming

I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp,
thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has
become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that
ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to

motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David








  #5  
Old May 15th 05, 12:23 AM
David Sewell
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I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation hits me
clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........


  #6  
Old May 15th 05, 12:44 AM
T. Waters
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The wording in the post by Keith AH is not something you agreed to. Although
you are "your own OEM," you are not formally an OEM in the eyes of MS. That
is why it is clear as mud. You, by definition, "slip between the cracks."


"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation hits me
clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........




  #7  
Old May 15th 05, 01:37 AM
Steve N.
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David Sewell wrote:

I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation hits me
clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........



Plain english society? Is there such a thing? Sounds cool. I'm gonna
look it up...

Is this what you mean?

http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/introduction.html

Steve

  #8  
Old May 15th 05, 02:56 AM
Gene K
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Company legal contracts [EULA] are written by teams of lawyers. If you ever
find one written in plain easily understood English [Italian, Polish, etc]
either on this or any other side of the Atlantic, I will never believe that
it is real. I plainly understand that an OEM Windows license is limited to
the first computer upon which it is installed. If the Microsoft EULA
displayed is correct, you can upgrade about any part of it [except the
Motherboard] at your will. If the motherboard is upgraded, OEM license is
revoked UNLESS the original board burned out and you replace it with one
Microsoft will approve in extending the OEM License. In other words, call
them before you buy and install the motherboard since there are going to be
limitations imposed. The only reason to buy an OEM license is to save some
money but then you have to accept the ensuing limitations.
Gene K

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation hits me
clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........




  #9  
Old May 15th 05, 12:36 AM
kurttrail
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Keith AH wrote:
This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
upgraded or replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new
computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
defective, you do NOT
need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
license agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by
that EULA. The EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user
by the PC manufacturer and relates only to rights for that software
as installed on that particular PC. The System Builder is required to
support the software on that individual PC. Understanding that end
users, over time, upgrade their PC with different components,
Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that
would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains
the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard
is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
created. The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected
to support this new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.



Where did you get that, as it sounds like the System Builder License,
NOT the END USERS LICENSE AGREEMENT!

What is the difference?

The End User, like the OP, NEVER agreed to be held to the terms of the
SYSTEM BUILDERS LICENSE!

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  #10  
Old May 15th 05, 12:44 AM
Keith AH
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Again the question was if the board dies do I have to get another copy this
is what an OEM would have to adhere to which is also then what the customer
by accepting the OEM copy would adhere to
"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Keith AH wrote:
This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
upgraded or replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new
computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
defective, you do NOT
need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
license agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by
that EULA. The EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user
by the PC manufacturer and relates only to rights for that software
as installed on that particular PC. The System Builder is required to
support the software on that individual PC. Understanding that end
users, over time, upgrade their PC with different components,
Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that
would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains
the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard
is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
created. The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected
to support this new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.



Where did you get that, as it sounds like the System Builder License, NOT
the END USERS LICENSE AGREEMENT!

What is the difference?

The End User, like the OP, NEVER agreed to be held to the terms of the
SYSTEM BUILDERS LICENSE!

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Old May 15th 05, 01:13 AM
Steve N.
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Keith AH wrote:

This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your
customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the
original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.


snip

But that is not what the End User has access to, nor do I if I go to
Wal-Mart or Staples and buy a copy of of WinXP Pro OEM release.

This is from the EULA for OEM XP Pro:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional,
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Tablet PC Edition and
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Media Center Edition
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE").

And he

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."

Nowhere in that EULA is the word "motherboard". "the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates" could mean every and
anything.

End users are not prohibited by the EULA from changing any and
everything in the computer system. Most new PCs I see have the COA
affixed to the case. Theoretically I could gut the whole damn thing and
rebuild it inside with anything/everything else different. As long as
that COA and case stay together there is no EULA violation that I can
see. Why heck, it would sure look like the same computer, too.

Steve

  #12  
Old May 15th 05, 01:38 AM
Keith AH
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You can not buy an OEM version at Staples or Walmart only a computerfrom an
Oem that has a preinstalled version on it

I was giving what the license states and what an OEM installer is suppose to
agree to to be able to sell an Oem version.
Since this was about an Oem version of the software.

"Steve N." wrote in message
k.net...
Keith AH wrote:

This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for
the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception
of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.


snip

But that is not what the End User has access to, nor do I if I go to
Wal-Mart or Staples and buy a copy of of WinXP Pro OEM release.

This is from the EULA for OEM XP Pro:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional,
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Tablet PC Edition and
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Media Center Edition
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE").

And he

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."

Nowhere in that EULA is the word "motherboard". "the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates" could mean every and
anything.

End users are not prohibited by the EULA from changing any and everything
in the computer system. Most new PCs I see have the COA affixed to the
case. Theoretically I could gut the whole damn thing and rebuild it inside
with anything/everything else different. As long as that COA and case stay
together there is no EULA violation that I can see. Why heck, it would
sure look like the same computer, too.

Steve



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Old May 14th 05, 11:55 PM
kurttrail
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David Sewell wrote:
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of
retail edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I
used to build my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98
upgrade purchases from now dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard
fails, am I right in assuming I am supposed to buy a new motherboard
and another copy of win xp,


Only if you are a sucker.

thereby keeping up Bill (love him to
bits) Gates to the life style he has become accustomed, just so that
I can carry on using a single system that ain't moved anywhere and is
only used by the single self same person, whose fault cannot be
blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to motherboard
heaven?


MS can disappear off the face of the earth today, and there is nothing
that could put a dent in the life style that Billy G. has become
accustomed.

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Old May 15th 05, 12:03 AM
David Sewell
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You sound like a Linux troll!

Not much wrong with that!


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Old May 15th 05, 12:14 AM
kurttrail
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David Sewell wrote:
You sound like a Linux troll!

Not much wrong with that!


Except the LinTrolls don't like me! LOL!

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