Win xp oem activation hits me clear as mud!

On Sun, 15 May 2005 01:48:18 GMT, Leythos wrote:

In article ,
lid says...
It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP that
users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what the rules
are pertaining to OEM copies.

It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

I'm not concerned with OEM builders - my posting dealt with home
computer builders. It's obvious that you are just as confused as
everyone else and just as ignorant.

Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...
Leythos wrote:
In article ,
lid says...
It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP
that users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what
the rules are pertaining to OEM copies.

It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

One note, the licensing agreement states that a Motherboard many be
replaced with identical or a newer motherboard with the older board
is defective - this means that if your Old P3 motherboard dies you
can change it out for a P20000000 motherboard and still activate
and be properly licensed. If you just wanted a faster computer and
replaced a non-defective motherboard, that would violate the
systems builders OEM agreement.

--

I lied about my last post being the last post of mine in this thread.

No End User gets the opportunity to agree or disagree with the
information at the System Builder OEM web site, and that web page is
not a valid contract, license, or oath!

THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE CLEAR AND INDISPUTABLE!

You are a Microsoft Partner, and have a total conflict of interest to
say whatever you think MS wants you to say!

Actually, you're only partly right, I'm own a company that is a MS
Partner, but I don't have any vested interest. We build solutions on
any platform and do what is best the for client and their business.

LOL! You own a company that is a MS partner, so that is you conflict of
interest in answering questions here! And you aren't here to help your
customers!

I never said that the end-user agreed to anything, and you can't point
to where I did (so stop with the BS posts). I said the information is
available, and it's up to the user to do with the information what
they want.

"It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant -the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules."

Where is it implied that "it's up to the the user to do with the
information what they want?"

Seems like you saying that anyone that thinks those SYSTEM BUILDER RULES
are unclear is ignorant, not that it is up to the user, you Microsoft
shilling partner!

If the OEM user is a "System Builder" or a member of the OEM program,
they are fully aware of the restrictions. If they are an OEM
purchaser, it's up to the OEM supplier to inform them. Sheesh, you
can't argue with that.

Yes, I can! Why would the END USER need to be informed of the rules
that the SYSTEM BUILDER IS OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW?! NO WHERE IN MS'S OEM
END USERS LICENSE AGREEMENT DOES IT SAY, IMPLY, OR INTIMATE THAT THE END
USER IS BOUND BY ANY OF THE RULES THAT THEIR SYSTEM BUILDER IS BOUND TO!

You are lower than the bottom of the scum barrel, Lameboy, for trying to
confuse the issue about the SYSTEM BUILDER LICENSE somehow being
tranfered to the END USER! And that is all you are doing. Trying to
muddy the waters!

Like I already said the only things that are really clear is the no END
USER ever agreed to be bound by the words on the SYSTEM BUILDERS web
site, and that the crap on the SYSTEM BUILDER site is not even a a valid
contract, license, or oath!

One more thing is clear! You are a total MicroSCUMBAG!

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Iceni wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2005 01:48:18 GMT, Leythos wrote:

In article ,
lid says...
It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP
that users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what
the rules are pertaining to OEM copies.

It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

I'm not concerned with OEM builders - my posting dealt with home
computer builders. It's obvious that you are just as confused as
everyone else and just as ignorant.

No, he is muddying the waters on purpose. He knows this thread is NOT
about MS certified System Builders, which his web site is geared toward.

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microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Iceni wrote:

It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP that
users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what the rules
are pertaining to OEM copies.

I agree that things are not as clear as they could be. However, speaking as
a Micros~1 stockholder, you can't go wrong by just buying a new retail copy
of XP. All this to-ing and fro-ing, debates, uncertainity, potential legal
hassles, name-calling, down-time, and the rest can just disappear for around
$300.

Might as well get Office XP at the same time. You might even get a discount!

And I hear the new X-Box is about ready.

I also recommend the Micros~1 mouse.

In message "Alias"
wrote:


"David Sewell" wrote

Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as I
see it.

Replace your motherboard. Install XP. Activate it online if it's been more
than 120 days since the last activation. If you have to call, read this
first:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

Since the information on that page wasn't on the EULA nor printed on the
OEM packaging, it doesn't apply.

Nobody, Microsoft included, can add terms to a contract after the moment
your payment is accepted.


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In message "Keith AH"
wrote:

If you go to a Walmart or staples store they do not have an OEM version to
buy
I did not state that you could not buy the Generic version of the Oem that
is what I sell

Nope, Walmart doesn't sell Windows XP Home OEM.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=1957319

Nor do they well Windows XP Pro OEM either...
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=1957320

I see you've thought this one out.


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In message "kurttrail"
wrote:

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
No, but correct and honest with my answer!

http://microscum.com/carey/

Well Carey... You know you're doing something right when you get
somebody upset enough to create a page like that just for you.


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David;
Is it still the same computer?
Microsoft has been vague as to exactly how far you can go before it is a new
computer.
A replacement motherboard is a repair or upgrade, not a new computer so you
should be OK.

However since you did buy OEM, according to the EULA you agreed, you can not
move this license to a completely different computer.
But as suggested, this does not apply in your case.

But did you pay to much for your OEM?
"just pennies short of retail edition price"
Normally there is $50 - $100 difference between OEM and retail, that is a
lot of pennies.

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"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David

I never guessed my question/remarks would make such a longish thread :-) I
think I aptly named the subject. I am now as confused as ever. When I got
the generic win xp home oem cd I was not informed of the limitations. It
never saved me much money, so I guess everyone except me gained something.
And even though I have previous win 95/98 cd's, I now think, in hind sight
should have got the retail upgrade of win xp home. Is oem a bum deal?

Thanks for your comments.

David

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David

I got it from he
http://www.itcomputer.co.uk/category...D=11&offset=10

David


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
David;
Is it still the same computer?
Microsoft has been vague as to exactly how far you can go before it is a
new
computer.
A replacement motherboard is a repair or upgrade, not a new computer so
you
should be OK.

However since you did buy OEM, according to the EULA you agreed, you can
not
move this license to a completely different computer.
But as suggested, this does not apply in your case.

But did you pay to much for your OEM?
"just pennies short of retail edition price"
Normally there is $50 - $100 difference between OEM and retail, that is a
lot of pennies.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
http://www.dts-l.org


"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming
I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to
motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David

I buy the OEM versions, always with a case; not with a motherboard or hard
drive (or anything that is subject to failure or upgrading). I haven't had a
case burn out yet...and I like nice oversized towers, many times server
cases.
It is my opinion that as long as I am putting hardware into that case, it IS
the same computer and I have every right to continue using the OEM license.
From what you said...that you bought Windows OEM and the componets from the
same supplier...who decides what the qualifying hardware was? I think YOU
do! Nice Case!!
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"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I never guessed my question/remarks would make such a longish thread :-)
I think I aptly named the subject. I am now as confused as ever. When I
got
the generic win xp home oem cd I was not informed of the limitations. It
never saved me much money, so I guess everyone except me gained something.
And even though I have previous win 95/98 cd's, I now think, in hind
sight
should have got the retail upgrade of win xp home. Is oem a bum deal?
Thanks for your comments.
David

"Gene K" wrote in message
...
Company legal contracts [EULA] are written by teams of lawyers. If you
ever find one written in plain easily understood English [Italian, Polish,
etc] either on this or any other side of the Atlantic, I will never
believe that it is real. I plainly understand that an OEM Windows license
is limited to the first computer upon which it is installed. If the
Microsoft EULA displayed is correct, you can upgrade about any part of it
[except the Motherboard] at your will. If the motherboard is upgraded, OEM
license is revoked UNLESS the original board burned out and you replace it
with one Microsoft will approve in extending the OEM License. In other
words, call them before you buy and install the motherboard since there
are going to be limitations imposed. The only reason to buy an OEM license
is to save some money but then you have to accept the ensuing limitations.
Gene K

My EULAs, both in Spanish and English do not mention a motherboard and
that's what I am going to go by. I plan to upgrade a perfectly good
motherboard and I don't plan to buy another XP because I ALREADY HAVE ONE
that works perfectly. I also plan to upgrade the CPU, RAM and video card. If
I have to make a call to activate, the only information I will give is, "a
bubble popped up saying I have to activate and my number is xxxxxxxxxxxxx
...." because that's all that's required for me to divulge about my computer.
I will also get the name of the person who answers the phone in case he
decided to get uppity and hang up on me for refusing to give any more
information.

Proof that I only have to give this information:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

What you posted is unadulterated FUD and, well, a lie.

Activation was created to stop piracy (although it failed), not to prevent
someone from upgrading their computer.

Alias

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation hits me
clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there should
(if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........

"Gene K" wrote

I agree if it is still available in the market. If not, call Microsoft
BEFORE you buy a new one

What for? Call MS only if you have to to get it activated and give no more
information other than the 50 digit number and that a bubble popped up
saying you have to activate.

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

Alias
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
No. Just replace the motherboard with an identical motherboard!

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"David Sewell" wrote:

| Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp
should
| give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should
fail?
| We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as
I
| see it.



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"Gene K" wrote in message
...
Maybe not at Staples or Office Depot, but you can buy them on line from
many re-sellers.
Gene K

In Spain, most stores ONLY offer OEMs. Man, are you uninformed. How many
copies of XP have you got lying around due to your ignorance or do you
stupidly buy retail?

Alias
"Keith AH" wrote in message
...
You can not buy an OEM version at Staples or Walmart only a computerfrom
an Oem that has a preinstalled version on it

I was giving what the license states and what an OEM installer is suppose
to agree to to be able to sell an Oem version.
Since this was about an Oem version of the software.

"Steve N." wrote in message
k.net...
Keith AH wrote:

This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for
the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.

snip

But that is not what the End User has access to, nor do I if I go to
Wal-Mart or Staples and buy a copy of of WinXP Pro OEM release.

This is from the EULA for OEM XP Pro:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional,
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Tablet PC Edition and
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Media Center Edition
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE").

And he

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."

Nowhere in that EULA is the word "motherboard". "the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates" could mean every and
anything.

End users are not prohibited by the EULA from changing any and
everything in the computer system. Most new PCs I see have the COA
affixed to the case. Theoretically I could gut the whole damn thing and
rebuild it inside with anything/everything else different. As long as
that COA and case stay together there is no EULA violation that I can
see. Why heck, it would sure look like the same computer, too.

Steve

"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
reenews.net...
In message "Alias"
wrote:


"David Sewell" wrote

Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should
fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as
I
see it.

Replace your motherboard. Install XP. Activate it online if it's been more
than 120 days since the last activation. If you have to call, read this
first:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

Since the information on that page wasn't on the EULA nor printed on the
OEM packaging, it doesn't apply.

Sure it does. You might want to read this too:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

Nobody, Microsoft included, can add terms to a contract after the moment
your payment is accepted.

I agree but my link had no additional terms.

Alias


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