Win xp oem activation hits me clear as mud!

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
David;
Is it still the same computer?

It is still HIS computer. A motherboad is only one component.

It is useless on its own

Microsoft has been vague as to exactly how far you can go before it
is a new computer.

Contradictory would better characterized it!

A replacement motherboard is a repair or upgrade, not a new computer
so you should be OK.

However since you did buy OEM, according to the EULA you agreed, you
can not move this license to a completely different computer.
But as suggested, this does not apply in your case.

But did you pay to much for your OEM?
"just pennies short of retail edition price"
Normally there is $50 - $100 difference between OEM and retail, that
is a lot of pennies.

I believe he was comparing it to the Retail Upgrade pricing.

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David Sewell wrote:
Obvious



Are you always such a butthead when someone posts a positive response to
something you say?

Is there a Good Manners Society, too?

PUAR

Steve

Keith AH wrote:

You can not buy an OEM version at Staples or Walmart only a computerfrom an
Oem that has a preinstalled version on it


Horsecrap:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...001%3A2285 05

I was giving what the license states and what an OEM installer is suppose to
agree to to be able to sell an Oem version.
Since this was about an Oem version of the software.

It is not a license any end user agreed to, therefore irrelevant.

Steve


"Steve N." wrote in message
k.net...

Keith AH wrote:


This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on
your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for
the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception
of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.

snip

But that is not what the End User has access to, nor do I if I go to
Wal-Mart or Staples and buy a copy of of WinXP Pro OEM release.

This is from the EULA for OEM XP Pro:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional,
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Tablet PC Edition and
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Media Center Edition
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE").

And he

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."

Nowhere in that EULA is the word "motherboard". "the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates" could mean every and
anything.

End users are not prohibited by the EULA from changing any and everything
in the computer system. Most new PCs I see have the COA affixed to the
case. Theoretically I could gut the whole damn thing and rebuild it inside
with anything/everything else different. As long as that COA and case stay
together there is no EULA violation that I can see. Why heck, it would
sure look like the same computer, too.

Steve

"David Sewell" wrote in:

I never guessed my question/remarks would make such a longish
thread :-) I think I aptly named the subject. I am now as
confused as ever. When I got the generic win xp home oem cd I was
not informed of the limitations. It never saved me much money, so
I guess everyone except me gained something. And even though I
have previous win 95/98 cd's, I now think, in hind sight should
have got the retail upgrade of win xp home. Is oem a bum deal?

No, it's not a bum deal if you saved some money. As for your original
question, read Jupiter Jones' comments and ignore the rest.

--
David R. Norton MVP

Or a short and to the point society!

Point taken....are we all lovey dovey all of the time?


"Steve N." wrote in message
nk.net...
David Sewell wrote:
Obvious



Are you always such a butthead when someone posts a positive response to
something you say?

Is there a Good Manners Society, too?

PUAR

Steve

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

You paid less for an OEM version and as a consequence you do not
receive the benefits of a Retail Version. OEM versions of Windows
XP are non-transferrable and if your motherboard dies, so does your
OEM license. Microsoft does not sell OEM versions to end-users,
only Retail Versions.


Where does the word "motherboard" appear in the XP Pro OEM EULA?

It defines "HARDWARE" he

License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
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computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
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on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE").

and "COMPUTER" he

The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

That could mean _any_ component that is part of the computer that the
software is installed on.

Heck, don't take my word for it, here's the whole XP Pro OEM EULA. Find
the word "motherboard" in it.

************************************************** ***************

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Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Tablet PC Edition and
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Microsoft Corporation (or related company of either) to any
person or company on its behalf in relation to the
profitability of or any other consequences or benefits to be
obtained from the delivery or use of the SOFTWARE and any
accompanying Microsoft hardware, software, manuals or written
materials. You have relied upon your own skill and judgement
in deciding to acquire the SOFTWARE and any accompanying
hardware, manuals and written materials for use by you.
Except as and to the extent provided in this agreement,
neither Manufacturer and/or Microsoft Corporation (or related
company of either) will in any circumstances be liable for any
other damages whatsoever (including, without limitation,
damages for loss of business, business interruption, loss of
business information or other indirect or consequential loss)
arising out of the use or inability to use or supply or non
-supply of the SOFTWARE and any accompanying hardware and
written materials. Manufacturer's and/or Microsoft
Corporation (or related company of either) total liability
under any provision of this agreement is in any case limited
to the amount actually paid by you for the SOFTWARE and/or
Microsoft hardware.

This agreement is governed by the laws of New South Wales,
Australia or, where supplies are made in New Zealand, by the
laws of New Zealand.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, WALES AND IRELAND

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft hardware are limited
to ninety (90) days and one (1) year, respectively.
Some states/jurisdictions do not allow limitations on duration
of an implied warranty, so the above limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other representations, warranties, conditions or other terms,
either express or implied, including, but not limited to
implied warranties amd/or conditions of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, direct or indirect
damages for personal injury, loss of business profits,
business interruption, loss of business information, or any
other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use of or inability
to use this product, even if Manufacturer has been advised of
the possibility of such damages. In any case, Manufacturer's
and its suppliers' entire liability under any provision of
this agreement shall be limited to the amount actually paid by
you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft hardware. Because some
states/jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation
of liability for consequential or incidental damages, the
above limitation may not apply to you.

SPECIAL PROVISIONS

Reverse Engineering: If you acquired the SOFTWARE in the
European Community, you may not reverse engineer, decompile,
or dissassemble the SOFTWARE except to the extent and for the
express purposes authorized by applicable law.

This Software License Agreement is governed by the laws
of England.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
CANADA

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties or conditions on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft
hardware are limited to ninety (90) days and one (1) year,
respectively. Some states/jurisdictions do not allow
limitations on duration of an implied warranty, so the above
limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other warranties, either express or implied, including, but
not limited to implied warranties of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, direct or indirect
damages for personal injury, loss of business profits,
business interruption, loss of business information, or any
other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use of or inability
to use this product, even if Manufacturer has been advised of
the possibility of such damages. In any case, Manufacturer's
and its suppliers' entire liability under any provision of
this agreement shall be limited to the amount actually paid by
you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft hardware. Because some
states/jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation
of liability for consequential or incidental damages, the
above limitation may not apply to you.

This Software License Agreement is governed by the laws of the
Province of Ontario, Canada. Each of the parties hereto
irrevocably attorns to the jurisdiction of the courts of the
Province of Ontario and further agrees to commence any
litigation which may arise hereunder in the courts located in
the Judicial District of York, Province of Ontario.

ANNEXE

GARANTIE ET DISPOSITIONS PARTICULIÈRES
POUR LE CANADA

GARANTIE LIMITÉE

Si vous vous êtes procuré ce produit Microsoft(r) ou ce
matériel Microsoft(r) au CANADA, la garantie suivante
s'adresse à vous.

GARANTIE LIMITÉE. Le Fabricant garantit que (a) la
performance du LOGICIEL sera substantiellement en conformité
avec les documents écrits qui l'accompagnent pour une période
de quatre-vingt-dix (90) jours à compter de la date de
réception, et que (b) tout matériel de Microsoft fourni avec
le LOGICIEL sera exempt de défaut de matière première ou de
vice de fabrication dans des conditions normales d'utilisation
et d'entretien pour une période d'un (1) an à compter de la
date de réception. Toutes garanties ou conditions implicites
concernant le LOGICIEL et le matériel Microsoft sont limitées
à quatre-vingt-dix (90) jours et un (1) an, respectivement.

RECOURS DU CLIENT. La seule obligation du Fabricant et de
ses fournisseurs et votre recours exclusif seront, au choix du
Fabricant, soit (a) le remboursement du prix payé ou (b) la
réparation ou le remplacement du LOGICIEL ou du matériel qui
n'est pas conforme à la Garantie limitée et qui est retourné
au Fabricant avec une copie de votre reçu. Cette Garantie
limitée est nulle si la défectuosité du LOGICIEL ou du
matériel est causée par un accident, un traitement abusif ou
une mauvaise application. Tout LOGICIEL ou matériel de
remplacement sera garanti pour le reste de la période de
garantie initiale ou pour trente (30) jours, selon laquelle de
ces deux périodes est la plus longue.

EXCLUSION DE TOUTE AUTRE GARANTIE. Selon la
portée maximale autorisée par la loi applicable, le Fabricant
et ses fournisseurs renoncent à toutes autres garanties ou
conditions, expresses ou implicites, y compris mais ne se
limitant pas aux garanties implicites de la qualité marchande
ou un usage particulier en ce qui concerne le LOGICIEL, la
documentation écrite et tout matériel qui l'accompagnent.
Cette garantie limitée vous accorde des droits spécifiques
reconnus par la loi.

ABSENCE DE RESPONSABILITÉ POUR LES DOMMAGES
INDIRECTS. Selon la portée maximale autorisée par la loi
applicable, le Fabricant ou ses fournisseurs ne pourront être
tenus responsables en aucune circonstance de tous dommages
quels qu'ils soient (y compris mais non de façon limitative
les dommages directs ou indirects causés par des lésions
corporelles, la perte de bénéfices commerciaux, l'interruption
des affaires, la perte d'information commerciale ou toute
autre perte pécuniaire) découlant de l'utilisation ou de
l'impossibilité d'utilisation de ce produit, et ce même si le
Fabricant a été avisé de l'éventualité de tels dommages. En
tout état de cause, la seule responsabilité du Fabricant et de
ses fournisseurs en vertu de toute disposition de cette
Convention se limitera au montant que vous aurez effectivement
payé pour l'achat du LOGICIEL et/ou du matériel Microsoft.

La présente Convention de droits d'utilisation de logiciel est
régie par les lois de la province d'Ontario, Canada. Chacune
des parties aux présentes reconnaît irrévocablement la
compétence des tribunaux de la province d'Ontario et consent à
instituer tout litige qui pourrait découler des présentes
auprès des tribunaux situés dans le district judiciaire de
York, province d'Ontario.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft hardware are limited
to ninety (90) days and one (1) year, respectively.
Some states/jurisdictions do not allow limitations on duration
of an implied warranty, so the above limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other warranties, either express or implied, including, but
not limited to implied warranties of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, special, incidental,
consequential, or indirect damages for personal injury, loss
of business profits, business interruption, loss of business
information, or any other pecuniary loss) arising out of the
use of or inability to use this product, even if Manufacturer
has been advised of the possibility of such damages. In any
case, Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire liability under
any provision of this agreement shall be limited to the amount
actually paid by you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft
hardware. Because some states/jurisdictions do not allow the
exclusion or limitation of liability for consequential or
incidental damages, the above limitation may not apply to you.

SPECIAL PROVISIONS

U.S. GOVERNMENT LICENSE RIGHTS. All SOFTWARE
provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to solicitations
issued on or after December 1, 1995 is provided with the
commercial license rights and restrictions described in this
EULA. All SOFTWARE provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to
solicitations issued prior to December 1, 1995 is provided
with "Restricted Rights" as provided for in FAR, 48 CFR 52
..227-14 (JUNE 1987) or DFAR, 48 CFR 252.227-7013 (OCT 1988),
as applicable. Manufacturer is responsible for ensuring the
SOFTWARE is marked with the "Restricted Rights Notice" or
"Restricted Rights Legend," as required. All rights not
expressly granted are reserved.

If you acquired the SOFTWARE in the United States of America,
this Software License Agreement and Warranty are governed by
the laws of the State of Washington, U.S.A. If you acquired
the SOFTWARE outside the United States of America, local law
may apply.

EULAID:XPSP1_RM.1_PRO_OEM_EN

************************************************** ***********

Steve

Leythos wrote:

In article ,
lid says...

It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP that
users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what the rules
are pertaining to OEM copies.


It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

Good God Leythos, would you get a frikkin clue already? You've used this
irrelevant argument so many times in these discussions that it's
beginning to get nauseating. HEADS UP! We are NOT talking about OEM
Builders rules, we're talking about the OEM EULA. You DO know what EULA
stands for don't you? No End User agrees to the OEM Builders agreement,
they agree to the EULA. Period.

Steve


One note, the licensing agreement states that a Motherboard many be
replaced with identical or a newer motherboard with the older board is
defective - this means that if your Old P3 motherboard dies you can
change it out for a P20000000 motherboard and still activate and be
properly licensed. If you just wanted a faster computer and replaced a
non-defective motherboard, that would violate the systems builders OEM
agreement.

"Leythos" wrote in message pertaining to OEM I
don't need another clue, I didn't miss anything about it. I understand
it completely and don't see any problems with it.

You probably wrote it then...ha ha ha

David R. Norton MVP wrote:
"David Sewell" wrote in:

I never guessed my question/remarks would make such a longish
thread :-) I think I aptly named the subject. I am now as
confused as ever. When I got the generic win xp home oem cd I was
not informed of the limitations. It never saved me much money, so
I guess everyone except me gained something. And even though I
have previous win 95/98 cd's, I now think, in hind sight should
have got the retail upgrade of win xp home. Is oem a bum deal?

No, it's not a bum deal if you saved some money. As for your original
question, read Jupiter Jones' comments and ignore the rest.

Ignore you, Norton! Or to the sewers with you!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Leythos wrote:

In article t,
says...

Leythos wrote:


In article ,
says...


It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP that
users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what the rules
are pertaining to OEM copies.


It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

Good God Leythos, would you get a frikkin clue already? You've used this
irrelevant argument so many times in these discussions that it's
beginning to get nauseating. HEADS UP! We are NOT talking about OEM
Builders rules, we're talking about the OEM EULA. You DO know what EULA
stands for don't you? No End User agrees to the OEM Builders agreement,
they agree to the EULA. Period.


I don't need another clue, I didn't miss anything about it. I understand
it completely and don't see any problems with it.


What you obviously DON'T understand is that it has no relevance to this
discussion.

Steve

Steve N. wrote:
Leythos wrote:

In article t,
says...

Leythos wrote:


In article ,
lid says...


It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP
that users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what
the rules are pertaining to OEM copies.


It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

Good God Leythos, would you get a frikkin clue already? You've used
this irrelevant argument so many times in these discussions that
it's beginning to get nauseating. HEADS UP! We are NOT talking
about OEM Builders rules, we're talking about the OEM EULA. You DO
know what EULA stands for don't you? No End User agrees to the OEM
Builders agreement, they agree to the EULA. Period.


I don't need another clue, I didn't miss anything about it. I
understand it completely and don't see any problems with it.


What you obviously DON'T understand is that it has no relevance to
this discussion.

Steve

No, he understands that too. He is deliberately being misleading.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

In hindsight, you should have gotten the Retail upgrade version, because it
has fewer limitations, a similar price, and can perform an Upgrade
installation. However, you are not in a bad position. Ignore all the
superstitious EULA-as-vengeful-god naysayers, and enjoy your OEM copy, as I
do mine.

David Sewell wrote:
I never guessed my question/remarks would make such a longish thread
:-) I think I aptly named the subject. I am now as confused as
ever. When I got the generic win xp home oem cd I was not informed
of the limitations. It never saved me much money, so I guess
everyone except me gained something. And even though I have previous
win 95/98 cd's, I now think, in hind sight should have got the retail
upgrade of win xp home. Is oem a bum deal?

Thanks for your comments.

David

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of
retail edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items
I used to build my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98
upgrade purchases from now dead previous pc's. So, if my
motherboard fails, am I right in assuming I am supposed to buy a new
motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby keeping up Bill
(love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become accustomed,
just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't moved
anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to
motherboard heaven?

Thanks,
David

Alias wrote:
"Gene K" wrote in message
...
Company legal contracts [EULA] are written by teams of lawyers. If
you ever find one written in plain easily understood English
[Italian, Polish, etc] either on this or any other side of the
Atlantic, I will never believe that it is real. I plainly understand
that an OEM Windows license is limited to the first computer upon
which it is installed. If the Microsoft EULA displayed is correct,
you can upgrade about any part of it [except the Motherboard] at
your will. If the motherboard is upgraded, OEM license is revoked
UNLESS the original board burned out and you replace it with one
Microsoft will approve in extending the OEM License. In other words,
call them before you buy and install the motherboard since there are
going to be limitations imposed. The only reason to buy an OEM
license is to save some money but then
you have to accept the ensuing limitations. Gene K

My EULAs, both in Spanish and English do not mention a motherboard and
that's what I am going to go by. I plan to upgrade a perfectly good
motherboard and I don't plan to buy another XP because I ALREADY HAVE
ONE that works perfectly. I also plan to upgrade the CPU, RAM and
video card. If I have to make a call to activate, the only
information I will give is, "a bubble popped up saying I have to
activate and my number is xxxxxxxxxxxxx ..." because that's all
that's required for me to divulge about my computer. I will also get
the name of the person who answers the phone in case he decided to
get uppity and hang up on me for refusing to give any more
information.

Proof that I only have to give this information:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

What you posted is unadulterated FUD and, well, a lie.

Activation was created to stop piracy (although it failed), not to
prevent someone from upgrading their computer.

Alias


Still, I am fairly certain that you will have to go to H-E-double toothpick
if you do this.







"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation
hits me clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there
should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........

kurttrail wrote:
Steve N. wrote:

Leythos wrote:


In article t,
says...


Leythos wrote:



In article ,
says...



It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM XP
that users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just what
the rules are pertaining to OEM copies.


It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the OEM
builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

Good God Leythos, would you get a frikkin clue already? You've used
this irrelevant argument so many times in these discussions that
it's beginning to get nauseating. HEADS UP! We are NOT talking
about OEM Builders rules, we're talking about the OEM EULA. You DO
know what EULA stands for don't you? No End User agrees to the OEM
Builders agreement, they agree to the EULA. Period.


I don't need another clue, I didn't miss anything about it. I
understand it completely and don't see any problems with it.


What you obviously DON'T understand is that it has no relevance to
this discussion.

Steve


No, he understands that too.

I doubt it. He keeps confusing the OEM Builders Agreement (or whatever
the hell it's called that nobody discussing EULAs gives a rip about
anyway because NONE of us plain folk have seen it, nor have we agreed to
it, nor can we even view the actual source of it because we AREN'T OEM
Builders!) with the EULA = End User License Agreement!

He is deliberately being misleading.

To what end? Why would any of the regulars here deliberately intend to
mislead anyone else here? This accusation makes no sense to me at all.

I think it's mis-firing braincells in his head, I swear. He just can't
get it through his thick numbskull that an END frikkin USER is not the
same as an OEM frikkin BUILDER! It doesn't matter that we may build our
own systems, lots of END frikkin USERS do that and always have, we are
NOT OEM frikkin BUILDERS! We don't have an agreement with MS to be so
and we've never agreed to ANYTHING but the gol-dern EULA! And NO frikkin
WHERE in an OEM EULA is the COMPUTER defined as the MOTHERBOARD!
NOWHERE! The EULA is what we've agreed to, nothing more and nothing
less. Something about his brain just hiccups on this crap and he can't
seem to comprehend the distinction.

Steve

"T. Waters" wrote in message
...
Alias wrote:
"Gene K" wrote in message
...
Company legal contracts [EULA] are written by teams of lawyers. If
you ever find one written in plain easily understood English
[Italian, Polish, etc] either on this or any other side of the
Atlantic, I will never believe that it is real. I plainly understand
that an OEM Windows license is limited to the first computer upon
which it is installed. If the Microsoft EULA displayed is correct,
you can upgrade about any part of it [except the Motherboard] at
your will. If the motherboard is upgraded, OEM license is revoked
UNLESS the original board burned out and you replace it with one
Microsoft will approve in extending the OEM License. In other words,
call them before you buy and install the motherboard since there are
going to be limitations imposed. The only reason to buy an OEM
license is to save some money but then
you have to accept the ensuing limitations. Gene K

My EULAs, both in Spanish and English do not mention a motherboard and
that's what I am going to go by. I plan to upgrade a perfectly good
motherboard and I don't plan to buy another XP because I ALREADY HAVE
ONE that works perfectly. I also plan to upgrade the CPU, RAM and
video card. If I have to make a call to activate, the only
information I will give is, "a bubble popped up saying I have to
activate and my number is xxxxxxxxxxxxx ..." because that's all
that's required for me to divulge about my computer. I will also get
the name of the person who answers the phone in case he decided to
get uppity and hang up on me for refusing to give any more
information.

Proof that I only have to give this information:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

What you posted is unadulterated FUD and, well, a lie.

Activation was created to stop piracy (although it failed), not to
prevent someone from upgrading their computer.

Alias


Still, I am fairly certain that you will have to go to H-E-double
toothpick
if you do this.

Heh.

Alias







"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation
hits me clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there
should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........