Win xp oem activation hits me clear as mud!

Steve N. wrote:
kurttrail wrote:
Steve N. wrote:

Leythos wrote:


In article t,
says...


Leythos wrote:



In article ,
lid says...



It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM
XP that users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just
what the rules are pertaining to OEM copies.


It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the
OEM builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

Good God Leythos, would you get a frikkin clue already? You've
used this irrelevant argument so many times in these discussions
that it's beginning to get nauseating. HEADS UP! We are NOT
talking about OEM Builders rules, we're talking about the OEM
EULA. You DO know what EULA stands for don't you? No End User
agrees to the OEM Builders agreement, they agree to the EULA.
Period.


I don't need another clue, I didn't miss anything about it. I
understand it completely and don't see any problems with it.


What you obviously DON'T understand is that it has no relevance to
this discussion.

Steve


No, he understands that too.

I doubt it. He keeps confusing the OEM Builders Agreement (or whatever
the hell it's called that nobody discussing EULAs gives a rip about
anyway because NONE of us plain folk have seen it, nor have we agreed
to it, nor can we even view the actual source of it because we AREN'T
OEM Builders!) with the EULA = End User License Agreement!

He is deliberately being misleading.

To what end? Why would any of the regulars here deliberately intend to
mislead anyone else here? This accusation makes no sense to me at all.

I think you are being naive. There are some regulars that try to suck
up to MS by giving misleading answers all the time.


I think it's mis-firing braincells in his head, I swear. He just can't
get it through his thick numbskull that an END frikkin USER is not the
same as an OEM frikkin BUILDER! It doesn't matter that we may build
our own systems, lots of END frikkin USERS do that and always have,
we are NOT OEM frikkin BUILDERS! We don't have an agreement with MS
to be so and we've never agreed to ANYTHING but the gol-dern EULA!
And NO frikkin WHERE in an OEM EULA is the COMPUTER defined as the
MOTHERBOARD! NOWHERE! The EULA is what we've agreed to, nothing more
and nothing less. Something about his brain just hiccups on this crap
and he can't seem to comprehend the distinction.


He owns a business that is a MS patner, and by muddying the waters he is
trying to get people to buy more copies of software than they need.

I believe he thinks he is helping MS. He has been told over and over
again, many dozens of times or more, that the SBL is in no way
applicable to end users. At this point, he is either the densest person
on the planet, or he is deliberately trying to confuse the issue.

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Ignore you, Norton! Or to the sewers with you!

Thank you for an intelligent, helpful reply.


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David R. Norton MVP wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in:

Ignore you, Norton! Or to the sewers with you!

Thank you for an intelligent, helpful reply.

LOL! Just be sure not to forget it!

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In message "Alias"
wrote:


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
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In message "Alias"
wrote:


"David Sewell" wrote

Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should
fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as
I
see it.

Replace your motherboard. Install XP. Activate it online if it's been more
than 120 days since the last activation. If you have to call, read this
first:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

Since the information on that page wasn't on the EULA nor printed on the
OEM packaging, it doesn't apply.

Sure it does. You might want to read this too:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

Nobody, Microsoft included, can add terms to a contract after the moment
your payment is accepted.

I agree but my link had no additional terms.

Sure it did -- I have an OEM copy of Windows XP Pro preinstalled on my
laptop, and the details on that link were not presented to me before I
purchased the product, or in the printed material which accompanied the
product, or even in the EULA.

The above three (pre-sales, accompanying material, EULA) are the *only*
three things I am legally bound to (and perhaps not even those three,
should Microsoft ever take a shrinkwrap agreement and/or an EULA to
court and risk the judge kicking part or all of the EULA)

Microsoft can write up whatever they want anywhere they want, but unless
it's written and presented to me before I agree to the terms and make
the purchase, it doesn't apply.


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DevilsPGD wrote:

In message "Alias"
wrote:


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
dfreenews.net...

In message "Alias"
wrote:


"David Sewell" wrote


Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should
fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as
I
see it.

Replace your motherboard. Install XP. Activate it online if it's been more
than 120 days since the last activation. If you have to call, read this
first:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

Since the information on that page wasn't on the EULA nor printed on the
OEM packaging, it doesn't apply.

Sure it does. You might want to read this too:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

Nobody, Microsoft included, can add terms to a contract after the moment
your payment is accepted.

I agree but my link had no additional terms.


Sure it did -- I have an OEM copy of Windows XP Pro preinstalled on my
laptop, and the details on that link were not presented to me before I
purchased the product, or in the printed material which accompanied the
product, or even in the EULA.

The above three (pre-sales, accompanying material, EULA) are the *only*
three things I am legally bound to (and perhaps not even those three,
should Microsoft ever take a shrinkwrap agreement and/or an EULA to
court and risk the judge kicking part or all of the EULA)

Microsoft can write up whatever they want anywhere they want, but unless
it's written and presented to me before I agree to the terms and make
the purchase, it doesn't apply.



Yeah. By the same token maybe I can legally bind you to an agreement
such as follows:


"By reading and not repsonding with an "opt-out" reply message to this
thread in this newsgroup within 24 hours you are accepting this Lawn
Mowing Agreement. You shall mow my lawn every Saturday, regarless of
weather conditions, and you must supply your own lawnmower and fuel. In
addition, you must supply me with a case of beer for me to drink at my
discretion while I watch you mow my lawn and gloat. Further, you agree
that any and evey statement made by me pointing out your obvious
stupidity, regardelss of profanity used in doing so, and regardless of
my level of sobriety, shall be tatooed on your forehead."

Steve

"Steve N." wrote in message
nk.net...
DevilsPGD wrote:

In message "Alias"
wrote:


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
dfreenews.net...

In message "Alias"
wrote:


"David Sewell" wrote


Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp
should
give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should
fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies
as
I
see it.

Replace your motherboard. Install XP. Activate it online if it's been
more
than 120 days since the last activation. If you have to call, read
this
first:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

Since the information on that page wasn't on the EULA nor printed on
the
OEM packaging, it doesn't apply.

Sure it does. You might want to read this too:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

Nobody, Microsoft included, can add terms to a contract after the
moment
your payment is accepted.

I agree but my link had no additional terms.


Sure it did -- I have an OEM copy of Windows XP Pro preinstalled on my
laptop, and the details on that link were not presented to me before I
purchased the product, or in the printed material which accompanied the
product, or even in the EULA.

The above three (pre-sales, accompanying material, EULA) are the *only*
three things I am legally bound to (and perhaps not even those three,
should Microsoft ever take a shrinkwrap agreement and/or an EULA to
court and risk the judge kicking part or all of the EULA)

Microsoft can write up whatever they want anywhere they want, but unless
it's written and presented to me before I agree to the terms and make
the purchase, it doesn't apply.



Yeah. By the same token maybe I can legally bind you to an agreement
such as follows:


"By reading and not repsonding with an "opt-out" reply message to this
thread in this newsgroup within 24 hours you are accepting this Lawn
Mowing Agreement. You shall mow my lawn every Saturday, regarless of
weather conditions, and you must supply your own lawnmower and fuel. In
addition, you must supply me with a case of beer for me to drink at my
discretion while I watch you mow my lawn and gloat. Further, you agree
that any and evey statement made by me pointing out your obvious
stupidity, regardelss of profanity used in doing so, and regardless of
my level of sobriety, shall be tatooed on your forehead."

Steve

Yeah, but Steve, can you guarantee to make it stand up in court!!

Second /(third) thoughts... sorry... kissy kissy.. there, I'm sure we all
feel better for that?!

David...

David Sewell wrote:
"Steve N." wrote in message
nk.net...
DevilsPGD wrote:

In message "Alias"
wrote:


"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
reenews.net...

In message "Alias"
wrote:


"David Sewell" wrote


Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win
xp should give me another copy of win xp if there supplied
motherboard should fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem
lies as I
see it.

Replace your motherboard. Install XP. Activate it online if it's
been more than 120 days since the last activation. If you have
to call, read this first:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

Since the information on that page wasn't on the EULA nor printed
on the OEM packaging, it doesn't apply.

Sure it does. You might want to read this too:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details

Nobody, Microsoft included, can add terms to a contract after the
moment your payment is accepted.

I agree but my link had no additional terms.


Sure it did -- I have an OEM copy of Windows XP Pro preinstalled on
my laptop, and the details on that link were not presented to me
before I purchased the product, or in the printed material which
accompanied the product, or even in the EULA.

The above three (pre-sales, accompanying material, EULA) are the
*only* three things I am legally bound to (and perhaps not even
those three, should Microsoft ever take a shrinkwrap agreement
and/or an EULA to court and risk the judge kicking part or all of
the EULA)

Microsoft can write up whatever they want anywhere they want, but
unless it's written and presented to me before I agree to the terms
and make the purchase, it doesn't apply.



Yeah. By the same token maybe I can legally bind you to an agreement
such as follows:


"By reading and not repsonding with an "opt-out" reply message to
this thread in this newsgroup within 24 hours you are accepting this
Lawn Mowing Agreement. You shall mow my lawn every Saturday,
regarless of weather conditions, and you must supply your own
lawnmower and fuel. In addition, you must supply me with a case of
beer for me to drink at my discretion while I watch you mow my lawn
and gloat. Further, you agree that any and evey statement made by me
pointing out your obvious stupidity, regardelss of profanity used in
doing so, and regardless of my level of sobriety, shall be tatooed
on your forehead."

Steve

Yeah, but Steve, can you guarantee to make it stand up in court!!

Can MS?

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

Yeah, but Steve, can you guarantee to make it stand up in court!!

you could be arrested if it stands up in court ;-P

too young to know who jackie gleason is ?

David Sewell wrote:

Second /(third) thoughts... sorry... kissy kissy.. there, I'm sure we all
feel better for that?!

David...



In case you didn't figure it out the 1st time, PUAR = P!ss Up A Rope.

Steve

Woody wrote:

Yeah, but Steve, can you guarantee to make it stand up in court!!

you could be arrested if it stands up in court ;-P




LOL!

Steve

"Woody" wrote in:

too young to know who jackie gleason is ?

Nope, old enough and smart enough to ignore anything Kurttrail says.



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David Sewell wrote:

"Steve N." wrote in message
nk.net...

DevilsPGD wrote:


In message "Alias"
wrote:



"DevilsPGD" wrote in message
eadfreenews.net...


In message "Alias"
wrote:



"David Sewell" wrote



Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp

should

give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should
fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies

as

I
see it.

Replace your motherboard. Install XP. Activate it online if it's been

more

than 120 days since the last activation. If you have to call, read

this

first:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

Since the information on that page wasn't on the EULA nor printed on

the

OEM packaging, it doesn't apply.

Sure it does. You might want to read this too:

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/acti...q.mspx#details


Nobody, Microsoft included, can add terms to a contract after the

moment

your payment is accepted.

I agree but my link had no additional terms.


Sure it did -- I have an OEM copy of Windows XP Pro preinstalled on my
laptop, and the details on that link were not presented to me before I
purchased the product, or in the printed material which accompanied the
product, or even in the EULA.

The above three (pre-sales, accompanying material, EULA) are the *only*
three things I am legally bound to (and perhaps not even those three,
should Microsoft ever take a shrinkwrap agreement and/or an EULA to
court and risk the judge kicking part or all of the EULA)

Microsoft can write up whatever they want anywhere they want, but unless
it's written and presented to me before I agree to the terms and make
the purchase, it doesn't apply.



Yeah. By the same token maybe I can legally bind you to an agreement
such as follows:


"By reading and not repsonding with an "opt-out" reply message to this
thread in this newsgroup within 24 hours you are accepting this Lawn
Mowing Agreement. You shall mow my lawn every Saturday, regarless of
weather conditions, and you must supply your own lawnmower and fuel. In
addition, you must supply me with a case of beer for me to drink at my
discretion while I watch you mow my lawn and gloat. Further, you agree
that any and evey statement made by me pointing out your obvious
stupidity, regardelss of profanity used in doing so, and regardless of
my level of sobriety, shall be tatooed on your forehead."

Steve


Yeah, but Steve, can you guarantee to make it stand up in court!!



Can Microsoft make their's stand up in court? Last I saw they copped out
of a suit against some college student bozo trying sell an OEM software
of theirs on e-bay, not to mention they have been convicted of being
monopoly in US courts.

So yeah, maybe I can.

I can read and understand an EULA. Too bad nobody else here seems to be
able to.

So, are ya gonna mow my lawn, or what? And don't you dare forget about
the beer, dammit. I already got a tatoo artist lined up. I figure you
got less than 22 hours left to decide...

If not...
.... see you Saturday.

Steve

kurttrail wrote:

Steve N. wrote:

kurttrail wrote:

Steve N. wrote:


Leythos wrote:



In article t,
says...



Leythos wrote:




In article ,
says...




It's clear from the many postings to this group in regards OEM
XP that users are unclear ( and that includes the MVP's )just
what the rules are pertaining to OEM copies.


It's only unclear for those that want to remain ignorant - the
OEM builders site is very clear about the OEM rules.

Good God Leythos, would you get a frikkin clue already? You've
used this irrelevant argument so many times in these discussions
that it's beginning to get nauseating. HEADS UP! We are NOT
talking about OEM Builders rules, we're talking about the OEM
EULA. You DO know what EULA stands for don't you? No End User
agrees to the OEM Builders agreement, they agree to the EULA.
Period.


I don't need another clue, I didn't miss anything about it. I
understand it completely and don't see any problems with it.


What you obviously DON'T understand is that it has no relevance to
this discussion.

Steve


No, he understands that too.

I doubt it. He keeps confusing the OEM Builders Agreement (or whatever
the hell it's called that nobody discussing EULAs gives a rip about
anyway because NONE of us plain folk have seen it, nor have we agreed
to it, nor can we even view the actual source of it because we AREN'T
OEM Builders!) with the EULA = End User License Agreement!


He is deliberately being misleading.

To what end? Why would any of the regulars here deliberately intend to
mislead anyone else here? This accusation makes no sense to me at all.


I think you are being naive.

I honestly don't give rip what you may think of me, no offense intended
Kurt.

There are some regulars that try to suck
up to MS by giving misleading answers all the time.

There is absolutely no point whatsoever in doing so. It just doesn't
make any sense at all.


I think it's mis-firing braincells in his head, I swear. He just can't
get it through his thick numbskull that an END frikkin USER is not the
same as an OEM frikkin BUILDER! It doesn't matter that we may build
our own systems, lots of END frikkin USERS do that and always have,
we are NOT OEM frikkin BUILDERS! We don't have an agreement with MS
to be so and we've never agreed to ANYTHING but the gol-dern EULA!
And NO frikkin WHERE in an OEM EULA is the COMPUTER defined as the
MOTHERBOARD! NOWHERE! The EULA is what we've agreed to, nothing more
and nothing less. Something about his brain just hiccups on this crap
and he can't seem to comprehend the distinction.



He owns a business that is a MS patner, and by muddying the waters he is
trying to get people to buy more copies of software than they need.

Why? Does he get a kick-back or something? Why heck, if I could make a
buck or two by kissing MS's @$$ I might reconsider my position.


I believe he thinks he is helping MS.

Hah! Anyone with at least two functional braincells can see that MS
doesn't need any help from any of us bozos!

He has been told over and over
again, many dozens of times or more, that the SBL is in no way
applicable to end users. At this point, he is either the densest person
on the planet, or he is deliberately trying to confuse the issue.


I'll go with "the densest person on the planet", if you don't mind. At
least on this point anyway.

Steve