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  #46  
Old November 9th 18, 12:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Emrys Davies wrote:

VanguardLH wrote ...

Rendered page: https://imgur.com/a/HbOvNnD


I opened this URL and it said: JavaScript is required to upload to imgur


You don't have a second web browser to check or visit the problematic
sites? IE will fail on some sites. Some sites refuse to allow connects
from ancient web browsers, like at banks or e-stores, including IE.
HTML5 has been adopted by most sites, so IE won't well behave there.
You need a newer web browser to use either as a backup browser or as the
primary browser with IE as the backup. Continuing use of an archaic web
browser will have you encounter other problems.

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  #47  
Old November 9th 18, 12:17 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


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  #48  
Old November 9th 18, 12:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Emrys Davies wrote:

Mark Lloyd ...

Emrys Davies wrote:

I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled Javascript
but
it does not work. There are several references to it in the Registry.

This is a very simple clock page: http://notstupid.us/clox/clockie.html
.
It will tell you if Javascript works (since the clock is updated every
second).


This is all I got: http://notstupid.us/clox/clockie.html


Yep, that's the same URL that Mark gave you.

As mentioned by Mark, the clock updates every second. That is because
Javascript is used to update the clock. Right-click on the page and
look at its source. You'll see the clock is defined within the SCRIPT
tag.

In a prior reply, I gave a couple sites that tell you if Javascript is
enabled in the client you use to visit those pages. They're pretty
simple. They'll tell you if your client has Javascript enabled or not.


The clock and its continued update is now working

  #49  
Old November 9th 18, 12:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


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On 11/7/18 11:01 AM, Emrys Davies wrote:
I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled Javascript but
it does not work. There are several references to it in the Registry.
Can you help.


This is a very simple clock page: http://notstupid.us/clox/clockie.html .
It will tell you if Javascript works (since the clock is updated every
second).

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The clock is definitely working now and it seconds update

  #50  
Old November 9th 18, 12:24 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"Paul" wrote in message
news
Emrys Davies wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
news
Emrys Davies wrote:
I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled Javascript
but it does not work. There are several references to it in the
Registry. Can you help.

https://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.asp

It has information like this:

JavaScript True
JavaScriptEnabled True
JavaScriptBuild 5.7.22589


Mainly said "Not detectable with javascript disabled" also said 'An
add-on for this website failed to run'.

Indicated that JavaScript is True and that JavaScriptEnabled is True


What about Internet Options and the Security Level slider ?

If you crank the security level too high, it's not going
to want to do squat for you :-)

(The best security obviously comes from not exposing the
huge attack surface of Javascript, to the Internet. I don't
like Javascript... but on the other hand
"I can't live without it".)

Paul


I have not set security level at medium

  #51  
Old November 9th 18, 12:28 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"Gene Wirchenko" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 17:01:29 -0000, "Emrys Davies"
wrote:

I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled Javascript but
it
does not work. There are several references to it in the Registry. Can
you
help.


Not with a vague statement like that.

What do you mean by "does not work"? Is it a particular site?

It could be something else. For example, if cookies are
disabled, some sites will not work.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko


I just had suggestion that JS was not working but I cannot recall any
particular instance. I am now been more free with cookies. The clock test
is now working.

  #52  
Old November 9th 18, 12:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Emrys Davies wrote:

VanguardLH wrote ...

Emrys Davies wrote:

I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled Javascript
but it does not work. There are several references to it in the
Registry.

How do you know that Javascript doesn't work? Something must clue you
in that scripts in a web page aren't working. Got an example web site
where its behavior is not what you expect?


Just got an inclination from remarks on the website, but I cannot recall
where.


Where did you enable Javascript in IE? Was it at Control Panel -
Internet Options - Security tab? Are you using a standard security
level or did you customize the Internet level? If using a customized
Internet level, under its Scripting section, is "Active scripting" set
to Enabled? There are multiple zones depending on to where you host
connects. Internet is when you are on the Web.


I set Active Scripting to Enabled and Restarted.

At that same Security tab, click on Restricted sites. Then click on the
Sites button. Is whatever sites you are visiting where Javascript is
disabled listed in the Restricted Sites list? By default, the
Restricted Sites zone disables scripting. While you may have never
added any sites to the Restricted Sites security zone, you could be
using software that adds sites there (e.g., SpywareBlaster). In that
case, you probably shouldn't be visiting that site.


I use Spyware Blaster. I have searched the Restricted Sites but I did not
learn anything which might assist me.


In addition to the Restricted Sites list, are you using any TPLs
(Tracking Protection Lists)? Control Panel - Internet Options -
Programs tab, Manage add-ons, Tracking Protection section. Sites in
those lists get blocked.


I do not use TPLs or manage add-ons



Have you disabled or uninstalled any add-ons that you installed into IE?


not to my knowledge

Have you tried temporarily disabling your anti-virus program?


Yes I did but I did not know what to look for

Are you asking about Javascript or Java? They are NOT the same thing.


I am definitely talking about Javascript. Java is shown in Control Panel
'Programs' but no mention of Javascript. I will research your other
suggestions.


Javascript won't be listed as its own program listing in Add/Remove
Programs. Javascript engines are embedded in the web browsers, not
separate from them. IE has its Javascript engine (Chakra), Firefox has
its own (Spidermonkey), and Chrome has something different (V8).
Because Javascript isn't external, it also isn't wholly compatible
between different web browsers. What runs fine in one web browser may
misbehave in another.


This last para. is a very useful piece of information for the likes of me as
I had looked for JS in Add/Remove Programs and I only found Java. Now I
know.


Java is a separate interpreter and will show in the Add/Remove Programs
listing. Could be the 72MB JRE (Java Runtime Environment) mostly for
end users that run Java [web] apps or the 200MB JDK (Java Development
Kit) mostly for programmers building the Java apps. Java was an ActiveX
plug-in to IE, but Microsoft dumped ActiveX and plug-ins in their Edge.
Google and Mozilla have dropped support for plug-ins. Flash is the last
plug-in but it dies at the end of 2020 when Adobe drops it. Java is
like COBOL: both linger on for decades in a slow death. If there are
remnant customers with deep-enough pockets than anything stays alive.

Do you really do any Java programming? Still visiting old game sites
that require Java? Due to the security issues with Java, it was
discontinued bundling with web browsers a long time ago.


No, I have never knowingly used Java

  #53  
Old November 9th 18, 12:56 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"Paul in Houston TX" wrote in message
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Emrys Davies wrote:

"Paul in Houston TX" wrote in message
news
Emrys Davies wrote:
I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled Javascript
but it does not
work. There are several references to it in the Registry. Can you
help.

How do you know JS does not work?




Because I get reminded that it does not work. Is there a definite test
so that I am sure
that it does not work? Thanks.


Can you try with another browser?
And turn off the avaast spam?



I have disabled Avaast Signature and think about another browser

  #54  
Old November 9th 18, 01:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Posts: 297
Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Emrys Davies wrote:

Paul in Houston TX wrote...

Emrys Davies wrote:

I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled
Javascript but it does not work. There are several references to
it in the Registry.

How do you know JS does not work?


Because I get reminded that it does not work. Is there a definite test
so
that I am sure that it does not work? Thanks.


How about you give us a URL of a site's page you think uses Javascript
but the page "does not work"? Could be the site you're visiting simply
refuses to work with an antiquated web browser, like IE (any version).

Here are some test sites:

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/dete...script-enabled

http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?bhcp=1
(check JavascriptEnabled value)


The latter site shows JavaScript as working, I think.
http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?bhcp=1

  #55  
Old November 9th 18, 01:04 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.

On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 23:56:57 -0000, "Emrys Davies"
wrote:


"Paul in Houston TX" wrote in message
news
Emrys Davies wrote:

"Paul in Houston TX" wrote in message
news Emrys Davies wrote:
I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled Javascript
but it does not
work. There are several references to it in the Registry. Can you
help.

How do you know JS does not work?




Because I get reminded that it does not work. Is there a definite test
so that I am sure
that it does not work? Thanks.


Can you try with another browser?
And turn off the avaast spam?



I have disabled Avaast Signature and think about another browser



Thinking about another browser rather than IE is a good thing to do.
In my opinion, IE is among the worst of available browsers. I
recommend FireFox.
  #56  
Old November 9th 18, 01:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Posts: 297
Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"Paul" wrote in message
news
Emrys Davies wrote:

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Emrys Davies wrote:

Paul in Houston TX wrote...

Emrys Davies wrote:

I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled
Javascript but it does not work. There are several references to
it in the Registry.

How do you know JS does not work?

Because I get reminded that it does not work. Is there a definite
test so
that I am sure that it does not work? Thanks.

How about you give us a URL of a site's page you think uses Javascript
but the page "does not work"? Could be the site you're visiting simply
refuses to work with an antiquated web browser, like IE (any version).

Here are some test sites:

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/dete...script-enabled

http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?bhcp=1
(check JavascriptEnabled value)

I did the test on your second URL and this is what I got:
http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?bhcp=1&bhjs=-1


I now found that for some reason, very recently, my active scripting was
disabled and I enabled it and also set my security to medium. I then ran
your 'check' URL again and this is what I got:
http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?doJvmd=1&bhcp=1


Just copy the information out of the browser window
and put it into a posting, OK ? Like I did for
you previously.


This what I found: http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?doJvmd=1&bhcp=1


It has information like this:

JavaScript True
JavaScriptEnabled True
JavaScriptBuild 5.7.22589

That shows about as much stuff as Cyscape has to offer.

Go back and run Marks "clockie" test.

http://notstupid.us/clox/clockie.html

Tell us whether you see a digital clock with 1 second updates, or

you still see some message about some file.

Describe these things verbally, to avoid confusion here.
Paste text when it is available.

We can't expect you to upload images, short of you
running your own web server, due to the very
problem you're trying to debug. Without Javascript,
lots of the things we come to rely on, don't work.

Paul




  #57  
Old November 9th 18, 01:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Posts: 297
Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"Paul" wrote in message
news
Emrys Davies wrote:

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
...

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Emrys Davies wrote:

Paul in Houston TX wrote...

Emrys Davies wrote:

I have Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 11. I have enabled
Javascript but it does not work. There are several references to
it in the Registry.

How do you know JS does not work?

Because I get reminded that it does not work. Is there a definite
test so
that I am sure that it does not work? Thanks.

How about you give us a URL of a site's page you think uses Javascript
but the page "does not work"? Could be the site you're visiting simply
refuses to work with an antiquated web browser, like IE (any version).

Here are some test sites:

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/dete...script-enabled

http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?bhcp=1
(check JavascriptEnabled value)

I did the test on your second URL and this is what I got:
http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?bhcp=1&bhjs=-1


I now found that for some reason, very recently, my active scripting was
disabled and I enabled it and also set my security to medium. I then ran
your 'check' URL again and this is what I got:
http://www.cyscape.com/showbrow.aspx?doJvmd=1&bhcp=1


Just copy the information out of the browser window
and put it into a posting, OK ? Like I did for
you previously.

It has information like this:

JavaScript True
JavaScriptEnabled True
JavaScriptBuild 5.7.22589

That shows about as much stuff as Cyscape has to offer.

Go back and run Marks "clockie" test.

http://notstupid.us/clox/clockie.html


Tell us whether you see a digital clock with 1 second updates, or

I see this: http://notstupid.us/clox/clockie.html


you still see some message about some file.

Describe these things verbally, to avoid confusion here.
Paste text when it is available.

We can't expect you to upload images, short of you
running your own web server, due to the very
problem you're trying to debug. Without Javascript,
lots of the things we come to rely on, don't work.

Paul




  #58  
Old November 9th 18, 02:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.

Emrys Davies wrote:

No, I have never knowingly used Java


Uninstall Java until if and when you encounter a site that demands it
whereupon you can decide whether to kowtow to that site's requirement.

Nowadays the only place where Java via web browser is needed is within
corporate environments where they use and deploy Java applets. However,
even then, you don't need the Java plug-in. Instead of use the Java app
manager/launcher (aka Java Web Start) that manages downloading of Java
apps, version changes in the applets, and runs the applet using the
local Java interpreter (not a browser plug-in). The local Java manager
communicates with an applet server to check version, authentication,
incremental updates, and local execution. With the plug-in, Java
applets got passed out of the web browser to the Java interpreter. A
plug-in is not needed since the web browser can still pass an applet to
an external handler (the Java interpreter) by using a protocol
specifier.

Eventually Oracle is dropping their Java Web Start client-side
manager/launcher. I don't know if they are replacing it with something
else or if this is Oracle recognizing that Java is a dying programming
language (and why I equated Java with a newer kin to COBOL with both
lasting long after getting supplanted with later technologies).
Microsoft tried to compete with Sun by adding their own MSJava
interpreter but that quickly failed. Microsoft decided to get into
webapps but did so very late with their Silverlight which never caught
on and died sooner than did Java. It's like Microsoft's XPS document
format and printer driver in Windows that was their attempt to supplant
Adobe's PDF, and which was another Microsoft failure. The wanted into a
market, got into it very late, the market died, and Microsoft had to
shake the poop off their shoes. Although Microsoft published XPS to be
an open document standard, no one else adopted it because no one used it
(yes, there were a few but who cares about a few firecrackers going off
next to an atomic blast). It appears Oracle has now realized that Java
will die, too.

Oracle is more of a software publisher than a software developer. They
will contact programming services to update or modify their software
(often acquired from elsewhere) only when needed. Customers lament the
poor support from Oracle. We had an enterprise application that was
better than a competitor's. Then Oracle acquired the competitor's
product and we literally had a celebration party knowing disgruntled
customers would migrate to us (which did happen) to become gruntled
customers with us due to far superior technical support along with a
better product at a cheaper price. The competitor getting acquired by
Oracle was good for our business. As another example, Sun declared that
Java would always be open source. Oracle made the same promise after
acquiring Sun but then sued Google due to use of Java in the Android
operating system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle...v._Google,_Inc.

I was surprised Google didn't simply argue that while the Sun version of
Java was the de facto standard implementation that there were several
other authors of the Java programming language. I remember IBM having
their own flavor but was not privy to any licensing that may have
existed between IBM and Sun, if any, regarding Java, especially since at
the time Java was open source.

I haven't been involved with Java since sometime around 2001, so I'm not
interested in delving into how much long Java will survive or what might
replace or already has replaced their Java Web Start. Java Web Start
was really an enterprise solution to managing corporate Java apps. Now
it seems Oracle is advocating that developers produce stand-along Java
app; i.e., you download them yourself and then pass them onto the Java
interpreter.

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/j...ol-135779.html

This seems to promote developers from stopping the creation of Java
applets to instead producing Java applications.

All the Java plug-in did was pass the Java applet to the JRE, anyway,
where the applet ran outside of the browser. Java Web Start was
available several years before the plug-in got deprecated and then made
impossible to use in web browsers that dropped the insecure plug-in
model.
  #59  
Old November 9th 18, 02:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Emrys Davies
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Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Emrys Davies wrote:

No, I have never knowingly used Java


Uninstall Java until if and when you encounter a site that demands it
whereupon you can decide whether to kowtow to that site's requirement.


I have uninstalled Java . Thanks.



Nowadays the only place where Java via web browser is needed is within
corporate environments where they use and deploy Java applets. However,
even then, you don't need the Java plug-in. Instead of use the Java app
manager/launcher (aka Java Web Start) that manages downloading of Java
apps, version changes in the applets, and runs the applet using the
local Java interpreter (not a browser plug-in). The local Java manager
communicates with an applet server to check version, authentication,
incremental updates, and local execution. With the plug-in, Java
applets got passed out of the web browser to the Java interpreter. A
plug-in is not needed since the web browser can still pass an applet to
an external handler (the Java interpreter) by using a protocol
specifier.

Eventually Oracle is dropping their Java Web Start client-side
manager/launcher. I don't know if they are replacing it with something
else or if this is Oracle recognizing that Java is a dying programming
language (and why I equated Java with a newer kin to COBOL with both
lasting long after getting supplanted with later technologies).
Microsoft tried to compete with Sun by adding their own MSJava
interpreter but that quickly failed. Microsoft decided to get into
webapps but did so very late with their Silverlight which never caught
on and died sooner than did Java. It's like Microsoft's XPS document
format and printer driver in Windows that was their attempt to supplant
Adobe's PDF, and which was another Microsoft failure. The wanted into a
market, got into it very late, the market died, and Microsoft had to
shake the poop off their shoes. Although Microsoft published XPS to be
an open document standard, no one else adopted it because no one used it
(yes, there were a few but who cares about a few firecrackers going off
next to an atomic blast). It appears Oracle has now realized that Java
will die, too.

Oracle is more of a software publisher than a software developer. They
will contact programming services to update or modify their software
(often acquired from elsewhere) only when needed. Customers lament the
poor support from Oracle. We had an enterprise application that was
better than a competitor's. Then Oracle acquired the competitor's
product and we literally had a celebration party knowing disgruntled
customers would migrate to us (which did happen) to become gruntled
customers with us due to far superior technical support along with a
better product at a cheaper price. The competitor getting acquired by
Oracle was good for our business. As another example, Sun declared that
Java would always be open source. Oracle made the same promise after
acquiring Sun but then sued Google due to use of Java in the Android
operating system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle...v._Google,_Inc.

I was surprised Google didn't simply argue that while the Sun version of
Java was the de facto standard implementation that there were several
other authors of the Java programming language. I remember IBM having
their own flavor but was not privy to any licensing that may have
existed between IBM and Sun, if any, regarding Java, especially since at
the time Java was open source.

I haven't been involved with Java since sometime around 2001, so I'm not
interested in delving into how much long Java will survive or what might
replace or already has replaced their Java Web Start. Java Web Start
was really an enterprise solution to managing corporate Java apps. Now
it seems Oracle is advocating that developers produce stand-along Java
app; i.e., you download them yourself and then pass them onto the Java
interpreter.

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/j...ol-135779.html

This seems to promote developers from stopping the creation of Java
applets to instead producing Java applications.

All the Java plug-in did was pass the Java applet to the JRE, anyway,
where the applet ran outside of the browser. Java Web Start was
available several years before the plug-in got deprecated and then made
impossible to use in web browsers that dropped the insecure plug-in
model.





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  #60  
Old November 9th 18, 03:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Posts: 1,862
Default Javascript is enabled but it does not work.

On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 13:08:15 -0000, "Emrys Davies"
wrote:


"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
Emrys Davies wrote:

No, I have never knowingly used Java


Uninstall Java until if and when you encounter a site that demands it
whereupon you can decide whether to kowtow to that site's requirement.


I have uninstalled Java . Thanks.



Nowadays the only place where Java via web browser is needed is within
corporate environments where they use and deploy Java applets. However,
even then, you don't need the Java plug-in. Instead of use the Java app
manager/launcher (aka Java Web Start) that manages downloading of Java
apps, version changes in the applets, and runs the applet using the
local Java interpreter (not a browser plug-in). The local Java manager
communicates with an applet server to check version, authentication,
incremental updates, and local execution. With the plug-in, Java
applets got passed out of the web browser to the Java interpreter. A
plug-in is not needed since the web browser can still pass an applet to
an external handler (the Java interpreter) by using a protocol
specifier.

Eventually Oracle is dropping their Java Web Start client-side
manager/launcher. I don't know if they are replacing it with something
else or if this is Oracle recognizing that Java is a dying programming
language (and why I equated Java with a newer kin to COBOL with both
lasting long after getting supplanted with later technologies).
Microsoft tried to compete with Sun by adding their own MSJava
interpreter but that quickly failed. Microsoft decided to get into
webapps but did so very late with their Silverlight which never caught
on and died sooner than did Java. It's like Microsoft's XPS document
format and printer driver in Windows that was their attempt to supplant
Adobe's PDF, and which was another Microsoft failure. The wanted into a
market, got into it very late, the market died, and Microsoft had to
shake the poop off their shoes. Although Microsoft published XPS to be
an open document standard, no one else adopted it because no one used it
(yes, there were a few but who cares about a few firecrackers going off
next to an atomic blast). It appears Oracle has now realized that Java
will die, too.

Oracle is more of a software publisher than a software developer. They
will contact programming services to update or modify their software
(often acquired from elsewhere) only when needed. Customers lament the
poor support from Oracle. We had an enterprise application that was
better than a competitor's. Then Oracle acquired the competitor's
product and we literally had a celebration party knowing disgruntled
customers would migrate to us (which did happen) to become gruntled
customers with us due to far superior technical support along with a
better product at a cheaper price. The competitor getting acquired by
Oracle was good for our business. As another example, Sun declared that
Java would always be open source. Oracle made the same promise after
acquiring Sun but then sued Google due to use of Java in the Android
operating system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle...v._Google,_Inc.

I was surprised Google didn't simply argue that while the Sun version of
Java was the de facto standard implementation that there were several
other authors of the Java programming language. I remember IBM having
their own flavor but was not privy to any licensing that may have
existed between IBM and Sun, if any, regarding Java, especially since at
the time Java was open source.

I haven't been involved with Java since sometime around 2001, so I'm not
interested in delving into how much long Java will survive or what might
replace or already has replaced their Java Web Start. Java Web Start
was really an enterprise solution to managing corporate Java apps. Now
it seems Oracle is advocating that developers produce stand-along Java
app; i.e., you download them yourself and then pass them onto the Java
interpreter.

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/j...ol-135779.html

This seems to promote developers from stopping the creation of Java
applets to instead producing Java applications.

All the Java plug-in did was pass the Java applet to the JRE, anyway,
where the applet ran outside of the browser. Java Web Start was
available several years before the plug-in got deprecated and then made
impossible to use in web browsers that dropped the insecure plug-in
model.





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