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  #76  
Old May 14th 20, 12:26 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac
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On 13/05/2020 23:49, Wolffan wrote:
On 13 May 2020, David_B wrote
(in article ):

On 12/05/2020 17:10, Snit wrote:
On 5/12/20 2:12 AM, Diesel wrote:
...
Mike Easter doesn't believe your sober, David. He recently asked if
you'd been drinking again. You ignored him just as you have Apd,
Shadow, myself, and others. No David, snits method of dealing with
people isn't working. He's just as despised as you are, possibly more
so. And! One reason is shared between you; you're both very well
known liars. Seriously, both of you, well known for this.

My method of dealing with your trolling has been at least more effective
than most -- you ran off, scared. You are starting to troll me again,
though you pretend to not read my posts. No difference: as you troll me
I remind you of some of your past idiotic nonsense:

--------------------------------------------------------

You made up a claim where I said I would decode things
OTHER THAN hex, or that I could decode AZ code on my own.
It is a complete and utter fantasy on your part. Either you
are lying to yourself or you are lying to me. It does not
matter which: either way it is not true.

I made no such claim, Snit. I stated that you offered to decode other
posts I wrote in HEX if I continued.

Ah, so you no longer back these claims of yours:
-----
You claimed that you'd decode messages I encoded, if i
continued so that David could read them. Well, you thought
you'd be able to, anyhow. I was just curious to see if you
could do as you thought you could. And, it's pretty
obvious by now, you were more than slightly bull****ting
about your abilities.
-----
You have yet to quote where I said what you attributed to me: that I was
claiming to be able to decode ANYTHING other than hex at the time. You
made up that claim... and now it is clear you know that.

------
You decoded something I wrote in hex, yes. When you read
what it was, you indicated you'd just decode the rest of
them for David, going so far as to write a utility to do
it for him, if I continued posting in that manner, just to
be a dick towards me. So, I decided to see if you could do
as you claimed you could.
------
Good to see you understand I never made the claim you lied about me
doing here.

------
As I suspected, you couldn't do anything with it. HEX was
as far as you were going to be able to go concerning posts
I didn't want David reading easily, despite your claim to
the contrary.
------
And another example of this lie of yours you now accept is not true.
Great! You can see your past lies were, of course, lies. Happy to see
it. Keep in mind I knew you were lying the whole time about my having
made such a claim.

--------------------------------------------------------

Snit isn't who you think he is, David. Your reputation is bad enough
without aligning yourself with that learning disabled, severely
compromised, hardly literate, idiot.

See: you show you are terrified of me and angry with me -- all because I
do not respond to your trolling as you wish.

...


He makes claims which he cannot support.


oh, the sheer irony...


:-)

Dustin is *NOT* in contact with "my inner circle" as he claims. :-(


I believe him. I don’t believe you.


Then you really ARE a fool. :-(
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  #77  
Old May 14th 20, 02:31 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac
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On 5/13/20 3:49 PM, Wolffan wrote:
On 13 May 2020, David_B wrote
(in article ):

On 12/05/2020 17:10, Snit wrote:
On 5/12/20 2:12 AM, Diesel wrote:
...
Mike Easter doesn't believe your sober, David. He recently asked if
you'd been drinking again. You ignored him just as you have Apd,
Shadow, myself, and others. No David, snits method of dealing with
people isn't working. He's just as despised as you are, possibly more
so. And! One reason is shared between you; you're both very well
known liars. Seriously, both of you, well known for this.

My method of dealing with your trolling has been at least more effective
than most -- you ran off, scared. You are starting to troll me again,
though you pretend to not read my posts. No difference: as you troll me
I remind you of some of your past idiotic nonsense:

--------------------------------------------------------

You made up a claim where I said I would decode things
OTHER THAN hex, or that I could decode AZ code on my own.
It is a complete and utter fantasy on your part. Either you
are lying to yourself or you are lying to me. It does not
matter which: either way it is not true.

I made no such claim, Snit. I stated that you offered to decode other
posts I wrote in HEX if I continued.

Ah, so you no longer back these claims of yours:
-----
You claimed that you'd decode messages I encoded, if i
continued so that David could read them. Well, you thought
you'd be able to, anyhow. I was just curious to see if you
could do as you thought you could. And, it's pretty
obvious by now, you were more than slightly bull****ting
about your abilities.
-----
You have yet to quote where I said what you attributed to me: that I was
claiming to be able to decode ANYTHING other than hex at the time. You
made up that claim... and now it is clear you know that.

------
You decoded something I wrote in hex, yes. When you read
what it was, you indicated you'd just decode the rest of
them for David, going so far as to write a utility to do
it for him, if I continued posting in that manner, just to
be a dick towards me. So, I decided to see if you could do
as you claimed you could.
------
Good to see you understand I never made the claim you lied about me
doing here.

------
As I suspected, you couldn't do anything with it. HEX was
as far as you were going to be able to go concerning posts
I didn't want David reading easily, despite your claim to
the contrary.
------
And another example of this lie of yours you now accept is not true.
Great! You can see your past lies were, of course, lies. Happy to see
it. Keep in mind I knew you were lying the whole time about my having
made such a claim.

--------------------------------------------------------

Snit isn't who you think he is, David. Your reputation is bad enough
without aligning yourself with that learning disabled, severely
compromised, hardly literate, idiot.

See: you show you are terrified of me and angry with me -- all because I
do not respond to your trolling as you wish.

...


He makes claims which he cannot support.


oh, the sheer irony...


How so?

Dustin is *NOT* in contact with "my inner circle" as he claims. :-(


I believe him. I don’t believe you.


You can believe as you wish... but what does the evidence show? THAT is,
to me, what is more important.


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
  #78  
Old May 14th 20, 05:09 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system, alt.computer.workshop, alt.comp.os.windows-10, uk.comp.sys.mac
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On 13 May 2020, David_B wrote
(in article ):

On 13/05/2020 23:49, Wolffan wrote:
On 13 May 2020, David_B wrote
(in article ):

On 12/05/2020 17:10, Snit wrote:
On 5/12/20 2:12 AM, Diesel wrote:
...
Mike Easter doesn't believe your sober, David. He recently asked if
you'd been drinking again. You ignored him just as you have Apd,
Shadow, myself, and others. No David, snits method of dealing with
people isn't working. He's just as despised as you are, possibly more
so. And! One reason is shared between you; you're both very well
known liars. Seriously, both of you, well known for this.

My method of dealing with your trolling has been at least more effective
than most -- you ran off, scared. You are starting to troll me again,
though you pretend to not read my posts. No difference: as you troll me
I remind you of some of your past idiotic nonsense:

--------------------------------------------------------

You made up a claim where I said I would decode things
OTHER THAN hex, or that I could decode AZ code on my own.
It is a complete and utter fantasy on your part. Either you
are lying to yourself or you are lying to me. It does not
matter which: either way it is not true.

I made no such claim, Snit. I stated that you offered to decode other
posts I wrote in HEX if I continued.

Ah, so you no longer back these claims of yours:
-----
You claimed that you'd decode messages I encoded, if i
continued so that David could read them. Well, you thought
you'd be able to, anyhow. I was just curious to see if you
could do as you thought you could. And, it's pretty
obvious by now, you were more than slightly bull****ting
about your abilities.
-----
You have yet to quote where I said what you attributed to me: that I was
claiming to be able to decode ANYTHING other than hex at the time. You
made up that claim... and now it is clear you know that.

------
You decoded something I wrote in hex, yes. When you read
what it was, you indicated you'd just decode the rest of
them for David, going so far as to write a utility to do
it for him, if I continued posting in that manner, just to
be a dick towards me. So, I decided to see if you could do
as you claimed you could.
------
Good to see you understand I never made the claim you lied about me
doing here.

------
As I suspected, you couldn't do anything with it. HEX was
as far as you were going to be able to go concerning posts
I didn't want David reading easily, despite your claim to
the contrary.
------
And another example of this lie of yours you now accept is not true.
Great! You can see your past lies were, of course, lies. Happy to see
it. Keep in mind I knew you were lying the whole time about my having
made such a claim.

--------------------------------------------------------

Snit isn't who you think he is, David. Your reputation is bad enough
without aligning yourself with that learning disabled, severely
compromised, hardly literate, idiot.

See: you show you are terrified of me and angry with me -- all because I
do not respond to your trolling as you wish.

...

He makes claims which he cannot support.


oh, the sheer irony...


-)


Dustin is *NOT* in contact with "my inner circle" as he claims. :-(


I believe him. I don’t believe you.


Then you really ARE a fool. :-(


you have repeatedly been caught lying. you have lied about _me_. you are
_considerably_ less trustworthy than he is. There is no reason to believe
anything at all that you post.

  #79  
Old May 14th 20, 07:51 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system
Diesel
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Ken Blake
Tue, 12 May 2020 16:11:37 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Wasted? Not to me. You've substantially reduced the risk, and
that's well worth doing.


Hmm. Do you think malware works like magic or something?


Infact, if it's an executable
infector, it could just wait for your av/am to open files to scan
and infect them when it sees file handle release api call. Your
av/am will open alot more files, much more frequently, and the
malware doesn't even have to waste code for search routines, it
can let your trusted security dog do the searching for you.

What i've explained isn't theortical, or proof of concept with
nothing in the wild having done it. It has been done, it
continues to be done. It's a tried and true trick, infact. Works
as long as your code doesn't become known to av/am.

You forgot backups.


No, I didn't. To me, it's also something very different.


As long as I can remember, backups is part of the safe hex
routine. It's not something very different. Remember: jesus
saves, but only budda makes incremental backups. If you care
about it, back it up.



Of course. I didn't suggest otherwise. The only disagreement we
have here is regarding the terminology.


The terminology? Hmm. Please explain, if you wouldn't mind.


NO
AV/AM or any other kind of safe hex is going to save you from
hardware failure. And even in this day and age, you have a higher
risk of losing data due to user error and/or hardware failure
than you actually do malware.



I'm not sure whether that risk is higher or not, but it's a
significant enough risk that regular backup is extremely
important.


I'd have to say that in fairness, despite making some good money
cleaning up from malware issues, hard drive failure is still more
common. Especially with laptops that aren't treated with the due care
they should be by their owners. And busted power connectors.

Malware plays a role, don't get me wrong, but I see more equipment
failure and user caused damage in the hardware than I do see an
actual malware issue these days.


--
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  #80  
Old May 14th 20, 07:51 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system
Diesel
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David_B
Tue, 12 May 2020 08:52:03 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

*WHY THAT LONG PATH*? Anyone know? --------------------
*Question*!


It's a conspiracy, to **** with you. We're all in on it, too.
With multiple server admins blessing. You believe that too, right,
moron?



--
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  #81  
Old May 14th 20, 07:51 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac
Diesel
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David_B
Wed, 13 May 2020 05:52:53 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

He makes claims which he cannot support.


Such as?

Dustin is *NOT* in contact with "my inner circle" as he claims.
:-(


So, explain why I know about your lost friendship over your drinking
problem. You gave me an entirely different side of the story when you
provided your side, btw. Since you didn't mention that person on
usenet prior to my accusation (hahah), and I didn't get that info
from you via email; where else would I get it? Obviously, *drum roll*
from people YOU KNOW IN REAL LIFE outside of usenet.

Think about the people you know in person that you gave information
about me to when you were soliciting their help. One or more of them
reached out to me, instead, David. Does that help you with the leak
in your inner circle? You sent them to me!

I told you this, when I first disclosed some dirt on you, remember?

And while you're trying to explain that, how about an explanation for
your accusation that I hacked your computer(s) and stole copies of
one or more of your personal files? Do you have some kind of journal
on your machine(s) David?

Why are you having such a hard time with these questions, if I'm
lying as you claim, David? *BIG ****ING GRIN*



--
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  #82  
Old May 14th 20, 07:51 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac
Diesel
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Wolffan
rnews.com Wed, 13
May 2020 22:49:51 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 13 May 2020, David_B wrote


[snip]

He makes claims which he cannot support.


oh, the sheer irony...


Dustin is *NOT* in contact with "my inner circle" as he claims.
:-(


I believe him. I don't believe you.



It's obvious to everyone that I am, when I disclose things I would
have no way of knowing otherwise, isn't it? Like, for example, the
loss of a friendship that he can't fix, due to a drinking issue;
despite his claim of it being financial in nature. How would I know
anything about that, if one or more people he knows, in person!,
didn't tell me? It's not like that information can be found via a
google search now can it?

David even wrote about his side of the story when I brought it up,
after he accused me of hacking into his computer(s) to learn about
it. He accused me of taking copies of his personal files. Wouldn't be
specific, I asked if he had a journal; wouldn't ever tell me.



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  #83  
Old May 14th 20, 07:51 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac
Diesel
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Wolffan
rnews.com Thu, 14
May 2020 04:09:52 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 13 May 2020, David_B wrote


[snip]

Dustin is *NOT* in contact with "my inner circle" as he
claims. :-(

I believe him. I don’t believe you.


Then you really ARE a fool. :-(


you have repeatedly been caught lying. you have lied about _me_.
you are _considerably_ less trustworthy than he is. There is no
reason to believe anything at all that you post.



HAHAHA! Oh, the irony! I'm a former BLACKHAT who's more trustworthy
than David. granted, that doesn't mean much, because pondscum has a
better trust value, but, I digress.


--
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wear the same outfit in public.
  #84  
Old May 14th 20, 07:56 AM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac
David_B[_3_]
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On 14/05/2020 02:31, Snit wrote:
On 5/13/20 3:49 PM, Wolffan wrote:
On 13 May 2020, David_B wrote
(in article ):

On 12/05/2020 17:10, Snit wrote:
On 5/12/20 2:12 AM, Diesel wrote:
...
Mike Easter doesn't believe your sober, David. He recently asked if
you'd been drinking again. You ignored him just as you have Apd,
Shadow, myself, and others. No David, snits method of dealing with
people isn't working. He's just as despised as you are, possibly more
so. And! One reason is shared between you; you're both very well
known liars. Seriously, both of you, well known for this.

My method of dealing with your trolling has been at least more
effective
than most -- you ran off, scared. You are starting to troll me again,
though you pretend to not read my posts. No difference: as you troll me
I remind you of some of your past idiotic nonsense:

--------------------------------------------------------

You made up a claim where I said I would decode things
OTHER THAN hex, or that I could decode AZ code on my own.
It is a complete and utter fantasy on your part. Either you
are lying to yourself or you are lying to me. It does not
matter which: either way it is not true.

I made no such claim, Snit. I stated that you offered to decode other
posts I wrote in HEX if I continued.

Ah, so you no longer back these claims of yours:
-----
You claimed that you'd decode messages I encoded, if i
continued so that David could read them. Well, you thought
you'd be able to, anyhow. I was just curious to see if you
could do as you thought you could. And, it's pretty
obvious by now, you were more than slightly bull****ting
about your abilities.
-----
You have yet to quote where I said what you attributed to me: that I
was
claiming to be able to decode ANYTHING other than hex at the time. You
made up that claim... and now it is clear you know that.

------
You decoded something I wrote in hex, yes. When you read
what it was, you indicated you'd just decode the rest of
them for David, going so far as to write a utility to do
it for him, if I continued posting in that manner, just to
be a dick towards me. So, I decided to see if you could do
as you claimed you could.
------
Good to see you understand I never made the claim you lied about me
doing here.

------
As I suspected, you couldn't do anything with it. HEX was
as far as you were going to be able to go concerning posts
I didn't want David reading easily, despite your claim to
the contrary.
------
And another example of this lie of yours you now accept is not true.
Great! You can see your past lies were, of course, lies. Happy to see
it. Keep in mind I knew you were lying the whole time about my having
made such a claim.

--------------------------------------------------------

Snit isn't who you think he is, David. Your reputation is bad enough
without aligning yourself with that learning disabled, severely
compromised, hardly literate, idiot.

See: you show you are terrified of me and angry with me -- all
because I
do not respond to your trolling as you wish.

...

He makes claims which he cannot support.


oh, the sheer irony...


How so?

Dustin is *NOT* in contact with "my inner circle" as he claims. :-(


I believe him. I don’t believe you.


You can believe as you wish... but what does the evidence show? THAT is,
to me, what is more important.


Some 'techie' folk seem to lack ANY sense of humour - ESPECIALLY
'foreigners'! ;-)

I'm 'old school' British - brought up with Alf Garnett!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQQ5H5r3Ev0

  #85  
Old May 14th 20, 09:26 PM posted to comp.sys.mac.system,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,uk.comp.sys.mac
Diesel
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David_B
Thu, 14 May 2020 06:56:39 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 14/05/2020 02:31, Snit wrote:
On 5/13/20 3:49 PM, Wolffan wrote:
On 13 May 2020, David_B wrote
(in article ):

On 12/05/2020 17:10, Snit wrote:
On 5/12/20 2:12 AM, Diesel wrote:
...
Mike Easter doesn't believe your sober, David. He recently
asked if you'd been drinking again. You ignored him just as
you have Apd, Shadow, myself, and others. No David, snits
method of dealing with people isn't working. He's just as
despised as you are, possibly more so. And! One reason is
shared between you; you're both very well known liars.
Seriously, both of you, well known for this.

My method of dealing with your trolling has been at least more
effective
than most -- you ran off, scared. You are starting to troll me
again, though you pretend to not read my posts. No difference:
as you troll me I remind you of some of your past idiotic
nonsense:

--------------------------------------------------------

You made up a claim where I said I would decode things
OTHER THAN hex, or that I could decode AZ code on my own.
It is a complete and utter fantasy on your part. Either you
are lying to yourself or you are lying to me. It does not
matter which: either way it is not true.

I made no such claim, Snit. I stated that you offered to
decode other posts I wrote in HEX if I continued.

Ah, so you no longer back these claims of yours:
-----
You claimed that you'd decode messages I encoded, if i
continued so that David could read them. Well, you thought
you'd be able to, anyhow. I was just curious to see if you
could do as you thought you could. And, it's pretty
obvious by now, you were more than slightly bull****ting
about your abilities.
-----
You have yet to quote where I said what you attributed to me:
that I was
claiming to be able to decode ANYTHING other than hex at the
time. You made up that claim... and now it is clear you know
that.

------
You decoded something I wrote in hex, yes. When you read
what it was, you indicated you'd just decode the rest of
them for David, going so far as to write a utility to do
it for him, if I continued posting in that manner, just to
be a dick towards me. So, I decided to see if you could do
as you claimed you could.
------
Good to see you understand I never made the claim you lied
about me doing here.

------
As I suspected, you couldn't do anything with it. HEX was
as far as you were going to be able to go concerning posts
I didn't want David reading easily, despite your claim to
the contrary.
------
And another example of this lie of yours you now accept is not
true. Great! You can see your past lies were, of course, lies.
Happy to see it. Keep in mind I knew you were lying the whole
time about my having made such a claim.

--------------------------------------------------------

Snit isn't who you think he is, David. Your reputation is bad
enough without aligning yourself with that learning disabled,
severely compromised, hardly literate, idiot.

See: you show you are terrified of me and angry with me -- all
because I
do not respond to your trolling as you wish.

...

He makes claims which he cannot support.

oh, the sheer irony...


How so?

Dustin is *NOT* in contact with "my inner circle" as he claims.
:-(

I believe him. I don’t believe you.


You can believe as you wish... but what does the evidence show?
THAT is, to me, what is more important.


Some 'techie' folk seem to lack ANY sense of humour - ESPECIALLY
'foreigners'! ;-)


What does your statement have to do with what's been written, David?
Are you going to try and play your accusation of my hacking into your
computers as a joke, then? Was I getting too close with the
journal question? And, the proper term for what you accused me of
would be cracking, David. There's a difference, and, no, I'm not
surprised you forget it, again.

I'm 'old school' British - brought up with Alf Garnett!


You're a disgrace to the British people, actually. There's nothing
old school or otherwise respectable about you, David.


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On 07/05/2020 11:57, David_B wrote:
Here's a huge table from Wikipedia .....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...virus_software

It's well worth a look!

No mention, though, of ClamXav.


No one is interested in your genital diseases. Now clam orf.


 




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