Why are printers constantly redesigned with no improvements?

Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks, different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing useful. There was no need to make it different.

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one. Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the monitor for a low quality image like that one. Until the ink gets an air bubble.... I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

Dreadful? Apart from a slight innuendo, I saw nothing wrong with it. Try conversing with Americans to see bad English.

On 09/07/2020 14:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B
wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

Thanks

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one.* Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the
monitor for a low quality image like that one.* Until the ink gets an
air bubble....* I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

HaHa! ;-)

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

Dreadful?* Apart from a slight innuendo, I saw nothing wrong with it.
Try conversing with Americans to see bad English.

Like this?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread...22#34205417022

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 15:21:12 +0100, David_B wrote:

On 09/07/2020 14:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B
wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

Thanks

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one. Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the
monitor for a low quality image like that one. Until the ink gets an
air bubble.... I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

HaHa! ;-)

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

Dreadful? Apart from a slight innuendo, I saw nothing wrong with it.
Try conversing with Americans to see bad English.

Like this?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread...22#34205417022

I can't see anything unintelligible there.

On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 15:21:12 +0100, David_B wrote:

On 09/07/2020 14:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:21:00 +0100, David_B
wrote:

On 09/07/2020 13:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

Can you see the Camel in this image?

https://artsology.com/images/animal-face-illusion.jpg

No.

Thanks

How well does the image come out on your new printer?

Same as the last one. Reasonable enough for photos, exactly like the
monitor for a low quality image like that one. Until the ink gets an
air bubble.... I think the plumbing is made by Renault.

HaHa! ;-)

(My English is dreadful, BYKWIM!)

Dreadful? Apart from a slight innuendo, I saw nothing wrong with it.
Try conversing with Americans to see bad English.

Like this?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread...22#34205417022

I can't see anything unintelligible there.

On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The
promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding!
It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of
the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of
the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think
they estimate 1 year).

It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever
and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but
when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer
printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and
menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us.

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On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit wrote:

On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The
promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding!
It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of
the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of
the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think
they estimate 1 year).

It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever
and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but
when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer
printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and
menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us.

Was it expensive to buy? I bought a normal Epson and added my own aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block which goes where the cartridges should. Works out at the equivalent of $0.15 a cartridge. And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy Mercedes cars.

On 7/9/20 1:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On 7/9/20 5:13 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time I buy a new printer, it's changed. New stupid quirks,
different ink cartridges. But not faster, not better quality, nothing
useful. There was no need to make it different.

More than a year ago I bought one of the Epson "Ecotank" printers. The
promise was that the ink would be much cheaper. They were not kidding!
It came with, I think, two bottles of each color and three or four of
the black. We are just now getting ready to put in the second bottle of
the black. The ink it came with will likely last us 2-3 years (I think
they estimate 1 year).

It is not perfect -- it will sometimes stop to reset itself or whatever
and sits there grumbling for a minute or two... which is not bad but
when you are waiting for a printout it can be annoying. And I prefer
printers with a touch screen for ease of use -- its tiny screen and
menus are hardly ideal, but also far from a deal breaker for us.

Was it expensive to buy?* I bought a normal Epson and added my own
aftermarket tanks, connected with flexible silicone pipes to a block
which goes where the cartridges should.* Works out at the equivalent of
$0.15 a cartridge.* And no I don't buy Epson ink, any more than I buy
Mercedes cars.

Got it through Costco where printers tend to be a bit cheaper. Don't
remember the full cost but it was a bit more than others. Pretty close
to this model:

https://www.costco.com/epson-ecotank...100518531.html

$350

That sounds about right. More than most... but that is with what they
say is a year of ink and for us even more. When we have to replace the
ink even that will not too bad, considering how long it lasts.

The color is listed as about $40 (all three colors) and the black $20.
Even assuming two blacks per year and one color, that is less about $80
a year on ink. Don't need to worry about that for at least another year,
though, so not a big deal.

I have tried third party inks with other systems before and was not
happy... was very hit or miss.


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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Jim H wrote:
[...]

Best thing I ever did printer-wise was give up inkjet rinters and get
a laser printer. The cartridges are quite expensive, but they last so
long that they're about half the price of ink over the same period.

+1

The cartridge of previous laserprinter lasted over 10 years (yes, I
print very little). The low-capacity one which came with the current
laserprinter has already lasted for over 5 years.

That business of having to purge plugged nozzels with "liquid gold"
is ridiculous. And 3rd party ink has it's own set of problems. Maybe
there's a good combination out there, but who has the time to find it?

Yes, inkjet printers are a pain and costly, unless you print somewhat
frequently, but not too frequently.

On 7/10/20 10:52 AM, Jim H wrote:

[snip]

Best thing I ever did printer-wise was give up inkjet rinters and get
a laser printer. The cartridges are quite expensive, but they last so
long that they're about half the price of ink over the same period.

I agree about a laser printer.

That business of having to purge plugged nozzels with "liquid gold"
is ridiculous. And 3rd party ink has it's own set of problems. Maybe
there's a good combination out there, but who has the time to find it?

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Next to a circus there ain't nothing that packs up and tears out any
quicker than the Christmas spirit." [Kin Hubbard]

On 10 Jul 2020 17:50:17 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Best thing I ever did printer-wise was give up inkjet rinters and get
a laser printer. The cartridges are quite expensive, but they last so
long that they're about half the price of ink over the same period.

+1

The cartridge of previous laserprinter lasted over 10 years (yes, I
print very little). The low-capacity one which came with the current
laserprinter has already lasted for over 5 years

Like Frank Slootweg, and whomever was prior, the best thing I ever did was
give up on the ink printers to go with the HP Laserjet 2100tn.

I refill it about once a year or even now with no grandkids at home, about
once every two or three years where the refill is a toner kit off the net.

I used to refill ink every few months but when HP put in that expiry stuff,
I realized they were doing everything they could to prevent us from saving
money.

All in the guise of "protecting the printer", which, as we know is BS.
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Every time I'm in the Costco printer aisle, I thank God for laser printers.

Arlen Holder wrote:

Like Frank Slootweg, and whomever was prior, the best thing I ever did was
give up on the ink printers to go with the HP Laserjet 2100tn.

Still have one going strong. Only issue is mine is not the TN version
but uses parallel port. Networked via Linux server on older hardware
with the port. $30 toner cartridge last for years.

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 7/11/2020 5:27 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Arlen Holder wrote:

Like Frank Slootweg, and whomever was prior, the best thing I ever did was
give up on the ink printers to go with the HP Laserjet 2100tn.

Still have one going strong. Only issue is mine is not the TN version
but uses parallel port. Networked via Linux server on older hardware
with the port. $30 toner cartridge last for years.



I'm with those in favor of laser printers. I gave up on inkjets long
ago. I think it's much better to use laser printers, and in the long
run, it's less expensive.

I use a Brother HL-L2300D. It's B&W, and does a great job. It was
inexpensive, and the third-party cartridges (EZInk) I use are also
inexpensive.


--
Ken

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 07:07:56 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On 7/11/2020 5:27 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Arlen Holder wrote:

Like Frank Slootweg, and whomever was prior, the best thing I ever did was
give up on the ink printers to go with the HP Laserjet 2100tn.

Still have one going strong. Only issue is mine is not the TN version
but uses parallel port. Networked via Linux server on older hardware
with the port. $30 toner cartridge last for years.



I'm with those in favor of laser printers. I gave up on inkjets long
ago. I think it's much better to use laser printers, and in the long
run, it's less expensive.

I use a Brother HL-L2300D. It's B&W, and does a great job. It was
inexpensive, and the third-party cartridges (EZInk) I use are also
inexpensive.

Do you have another printer for those times when you want color, or have
you found that you really don't need color?