MS's support logic

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:05:02 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:29:56 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 06:52:25 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:11:00 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:


My motto was, If you can read Shakespeare, you can read anything.

Beowulf?

My question would have been Japanese camera manuals from the 60's; I
like your question better.


My favorite manual was for 1970' era Toyota Corolla - where 'cigarette
lighter' was spelled 'cigalette righter'.

I had a lab partner a long time ago who was a Japanese national. In
papers where he used my name, he intermixed Bloch and Broch randomly.

But he was a great guy, so I accepted that. Anyway, imagine how I would
have done in Japanese :-)


I was in Japan only once, on a business trip about thirty years ago. I
remember our tour guide who made a point of talking about FRRRank
LLLoyd WRRRight. It was a big effort for her, but she always got it
right.

By the way, Japanese has no letter that sounds like L or like R. The
have a single letter that sound like something midway between the two.
Since whenever they use it, it sounds wrong to us, most of tend to
hear R as L and L as R.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:28:10 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:05:02 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

....

I was in Japan only once, on a business trip about thirty years ago. I
remember our tour guide who made a point of talking about FRRRank
LLLoyd WRRRight. It was a big effort for her, but she always got it
right.

By the way, Japanese has no letter that sounds like L or like R. The
have a single letter that sound like something midway between the two.
Since whenever they use it, it sounds wrong to us, most of tend to
hear R as L and L as R.

Correct.

Thus Bloch & Broch.

Although a friend a long time ago was a Chinese immigrant married to an
Anglo. He insisted on naming their daughter Laura. The mom *usually*
said it right :-)

The problem with those sounds in Chinese isn't quite the same as what
you described for Japanese, of course.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 8/13/14 8:31 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:01:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:


You can use any computer for 5+ years, as long as it's running and does
what you want.


I've been using this computer for 6+ years, and it's still going
strong. The only things I've done to it is replace a drive or two.


The question should be, is it supported for 5+ years? If this question
is asked, MS wins hands down.



It's not so much whether the computer is supported (Microsoft doesn't
do that); it's whether its operating system is supported. This
computer started with Vista, went to Windows 7, and is now running
Windows 8. I don't yet know whether I'll upgrade it to the next
version of Windows or whether I'll instead buy a new one.

My intent was to mean the OS with the question, not the hardware itself.
My bad.




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On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:50:00 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:14:44 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
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Interesting. The Northumbrian pipes don't have a mouth tube though -
they're _entirely_ elbow-power. (I think the bellows must have a valve.)


If the bags aren't inflated by mouth, they must be inflated some other
way--perhaps a foot-operated device.

No, via the elbow-operated bellows.



Yes, but you're coming in late to the thread. As I said, I've seen
several pictures of those today.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 19:43:06 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 8/13/14 8:31 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:01:46 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:


You can use any computer for 5+ years, as long as it's running and does
what you want.


I've been using this computer for 6+ years, and it's still going
strong. The only things I've done to it is replace a drive or two.


The question should be, is it supported for 5+ years? If this question
is asked, MS wins hands down.



It's not so much whether the computer is supported (Microsoft doesn't
do that); it's whether its operating system is supported. This
computer started with Vista, went to Windows 7, and is now running
Windows 8. I don't yet know whether I'll upgrade it to the next
version of Windows or whether I'll instead buy a new one.

My intent was to mean the OS with the question, not the hardware itself.
My bad.


OK. No big deal.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 23:31:18 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I'd certainly not expect total accuracy from one "based on": that
implies to me that dramatic licence has been taken. (And may well make a
better story; I've no problem with that.)

I once taped a movie based on a play by Noel Coward (A Design for
Living), but I failed to account for the fundraiser that was happening,
and I missed the last few moments of the movie. It was sufficiently
crazy that I couldn't guess how it ended.

No problem. I went to the library and checked out a book of Noel Coward
plays.

Yes problem. The characters had different names and their interactions
were *very* different, so the script still gave no idea of how the
*movie* would end.

A friend that I told that to a couple of weeks later had seen the whole
movie, and she told me how it ended.

It doesn't matter to me now, since I've forgotten both in the
intervening decades :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:00:09 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Clearly I've heard pipes a lot more often than I've seen them. Thanks
very much for setting me straight.

I have friends who educate me, plus of course, seeing some bagpipes at
live events (Balkan music for me).

But I was learning about the Northumbrian pipes as I was informing you
:-)

Sort of like the teacher who reads the textbook at 8:00 for the 9:00
class...

The fact is that I am interested in musical instruments as a general
thing, but the huge variety of such things manages to defy my meager
memory.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:05:02 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 11:29:56 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 06:52:25 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:11:00 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:


My motto was, If you can read Shakespeare, you can read anything.

Beowulf?

My question would have been Japanese camera manuals from the 60's; I
like your question better.


My favorite manual was for 1970' era Toyota Corolla - where 'cigarette
lighter' was spelled 'cigalette righter'.

I had a lab partner a long time ago who was a Japanese national. In
papers where he used my name, he intermixed Bloch and Broch randomly.

But he was a great guy, so I accepted that. Anyway, imagine how I would
have done in Japanese :-)


I was in Japan only once, on a business trip about thirty years ago. I
remember our tour guide who made a point of talking about FRRRank
LLLoyd WRRRight. It was a big effort for her, but she always got it
right.

By the way, Japanese has no letter that sounds like L or like R. The
have a single letter that sound like something midway between the two.
Since whenever they use it, it sounds wrong to us, most of tend to
hear R as L and L as R.


Co'll'ect


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...winston
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 03:47:56 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

I was in Japan only once, on a business trip about thirty years ago. I
remember our tour guide who made a point of talking about FRRRank
LLLoyd WRRRight. It was a big effort for her, but she always got it
right.


Or should I have said "She got it WRRRight"?


By the way, Japanese has no letter that sounds like L or like R. The
have a single letter that sound like something midway between the two.
Since whenever they use it, it sounds wrong to us, most of tend to
hear R as L and L as R.


Co'll'ect


g

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:57:13 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


The fact is that I am interested in musical instruments as a general
thing, but the huge variety of such things manages to defy my meager
memory.


Ditto and ditto!

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:38:44 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:28:10 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:05:02 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

...

I was in Japan only once, on a business trip about thirty years ago. I
remember our tour guide who made a point of talking about FRRRank
LLLoyd WRRRight. It was a big effort for her, but she always got it
right.

By the way, Japanese has no letter that sounds like L or like R. The
have a single letter that sound like something midway between the two.
Since whenever they use it, it sounds wrong to us, most of tend to
hear R as L and L as R.

Correct.

Thus Bloch & Broch.

Although a friend a long time ago was a Chinese immigrant married to an
Anglo. He insisted on naming their daughter Laura. The mom *usually*
said it right :-)

The problem with those sounds in Chinese isn't quite the same as what
you described for Japanese, of course.

During a brief sleepless period last night I remembered Lin Lee (or Li),
a coworker a number of years ago.

She's an immigrant from China, but in her dialect (I don't remember
which one), the L's get a tongue flap analogous to the single trilled R
in Spanish.

As a result, we tended to hear her name as Din Dee, even my boss and I.
He has a degree in Linguistics & I'm a linguistics dilettante.

I for one could never say her name quite right, try as I might. Which
also made me think of your remarks about the Japanese L/R. I realized
that If I tried to pronounce that sound, the only reason a Japanese
speaker wouldn't laugh at me would be out of politeness :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 09:31:29 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

They've got spoiled from raking in undeserved billions from Windows and
Office. *They've never actually succeeded at anything
They've never actually succeeded at anything

....except powering the PC @ home revolution which includes making the
internet a huge part of everyone's life.

If we would have had to wait for a 'friendly' *nix OS, we'd all still be
on 14.4K dial-up.

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 00:04:50 -0300, pjp wrote:

Also what's the alternative to full version of Photoshop or Autocad to
name just two heavy hitters.

I hear this argument all the time about Photoshop.

My retort is that your *typical* *home* *user* certainly doesn't need
Photoshop to play with some digital pictures of Billy and Sally to send
them to grandma and grandpa.

Most users *might* use 5% of the capabilites of any larger size program
like that.

When you say AutoCAD, I envision the old tried and true 2D drafting
package, not like Inventor, that someone might use for some basic
drawings at home...maybe some shed plans, or floorplans, etc....

I would suggest you take a look at DraftSight. From the makers of
SolidWorks, DraftSight is a 2D CAD package that is basically a clone of
AutoCAD, even including the command line. It has better support for
opening different DWG versions back to the ones from the early 90's, and
can open and save in all those different DWG formats.

It is no "open", but at this time, still free.

On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 19:01:34 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 8/9/14 8:46 AM, Darth_Hideous wrote:
On 2014-08-09, Mayayana wrote:

snip

1) | Linux runs Firefox, TBird, Chrome, Spreadsheets, etc.
| It's for everyone.

Linux doesn't support most of the software people
use, and to make matters worse, the Linux fanclub won't admit that.
GIMP has been unusable for 20


I listed most of the software people use.

No, you didn't. You listed 3 programs and a type of program. And of
the 3 programs, TBird is an email client, and I believe email clients
are being used by fewer and fewer users.

But the most widely used programs, most likely, are those of MS Office,
of which Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook are not supported on
Linux.

I use Gimp all the time.
Works fine.

I don't think it's a question of working or not working, but how well
does it work, is it efficient and easy to use,

Now that's funny. I've always thought Adobe products were hard to use and
not intuitive. I chalked it up to most of them being originally designed
for Apple and then being ported to Windows.

On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 10:34:33 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

IE is very deeply
tied in, and some software would break even if IE could
be removed. But there's a difference between IE being
stuck to Windows and using IE online. I have IE6 on my
main machine. The way I see it is it's never a good idea
to update IE. But I would never use it online, either. Within
Windows I don't see any problem with IE. The same
integration that makes it dangerous online makes it
very useful within Windows.

In the context of using a browser, what does "within Windows" mean?

--

Char Jackson