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Old March 14th 18, 03:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Do you have an iOS device? How to get it to xfer screenshots to Windows 10 easily without that iTunes abomination?

On 14/03/2018 04:41:06, ultred ragnusen wrote:
mick wrote:

So I will give up on FileExplorer, but I thank you for the suggestion.


I remember now, I use the Pro version because I connect to multiple
devices.


I appreciate your advice as I'm trying to accomplish connectivity, and I'm
trying to document that connectivity between iOS and Windows so that future
users can find the tribal knowledge in the Windows 10 archives at
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10

Hence, I will provide lots of screenshots and actual URLs and settings so
that others can follow successfully in our footsteps without being forced
to use that highly restrictive iTunes abomination on Windows (which doesn't
even work in the real world, even if it weren't an abomination on Windows).

For the record, here's where this information will be archived:
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.p...7f& t=1103286

I'm perfectly fine with the restriction of one computer for the File
Explorer free app, as that's all I need for now. Besides, if I want to set
up a second computer, it's easily enough done simply by deleting the first
setup. It's only the login/password, iPaddressort anyway.

DFS is off on my ipad.
DFS
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=ws.10).aspx


Thanks for that link to a description of the Windows Distributed File
System (DFS), which isn't anything I think I want, but even so, I'll just
leave this DFS setting as it is in File Explorer on the iOS iPad.
https://cubeupload.com/im/NFZN0c.jpg

I am almost certain that you need to set up a password for win 10 when
you start up your pc.


That's an interesting point of view, which I can only say that I'm pretty
sure I don't have a password for my Windows 10 account, as shown he
http://i.cubeupload.com/bNrn4e.jpg

I guess I could /add/ a password, temporarily, just to test if that is the
problem, but the File Explorer program should give a better error than
Error 57.
http://i.cubeupload.com/0cgrLB.jpg

Trying to connect iOS to your windows pc needs
the ip address or the win 10 computer name AND a password, that is why
it is timing out on your ipad.


I don't disagree with you that File Explorer might be timing out because
/it/ requires the IP address, the port, the login name, and a password, but
there is no password, because Windows doesn't need a password.

Just to see if that was the problem, I /added/ a password to Windows and
tried again after checking the IP address on Windows with ipconfig.

Oh. Um. Yeah. You were right. It worked! Fancy that.
So, even though Windows doesn't require a password, File Explorer does
require a password? Or, is it that Windows won't share things without
requiring a password?



I have found that it is windows 10 that won't share without a password,
it needs one to share between windows computers.



Anyway, this is a lot better. There are 4 folders available:
- ADMIN$ (it won't let me see anything there though - I don't know why)
- C$ (it won't let me see anything there though - I don't know why)
- D$ (it won't let me see anything there though - I don't know why)
- E$ (it won't let me see anything there though - I don't know why)

Any idea why I can't get into those 4 folders which seem to be my C, D, and
E drives (where I'm not sure what ADMIN$ indicates)?



Because you were not sharing them.


You also must have network discovery turned on on win 10 and at least
one shared folder on the win 10 machine. I guess from reading the
thread you have done this already.


Oooops. Nope. I haven't needed to do /anything/ on Windows until now.
a. I haven't created a "shared" folder (I don't even know what that is)
b. I haven't turned on "network discovery" (I don't know what it is)

Googling for how to turn on "network discovery", I read this first:
https://tunecomp.net/all-methods-to-...in-windows-10/


So far so good.
The last part, Homegroup.
I have 'Use user accounts and passwords to connect to other computers@
I don not use the Homegroup option.

None of the screenshots in that document matched what I had in Win10
Creators Edition for an Ethernet connection, in this location
- Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network and Sharing Center\Advanced
sharing settings http://i.cubeupload.com/es1dGD.jpg

So I set two switches in that panel:
1. Turn on sharing so anyone with network access can red and write files in
the Public folders 2. Turn off password protected sharing
http://i.cubeupload.com/O0XF8L.jpg


With password protected sharing off you will only ever see the Public
folders.
By using password protected sharing you will be able to set sharing on
any folder or drive on your windows machine.

Doing only that, immediately added a fifth folder to "File Explorer".
- Users

Inside of "Users" in File Explorer on iOS were 3 folders and one file:
- Default (I presume this is the C:\Users\ultred\Default directory)
- Public (I presume this is the C:\Users\ultred\Public directory)
- ultred (This appears to be the C:\Users\ultred directory)
- desktop.ini

The great news is that by adding an unwanted password to my account, and
turning on file sharing, I was able to get File Explorer to work, but only
in the C:\Users hierarchy (the other directories such as C$ still don't
work).


File sharing on win 10.
Pick a personal folder on one of your drives.
Right click, choose Properties, choose Sharing tab, click the Share
button, choose or add ultred, make sure Permission Level is
Read/Write, click Share, click Done, close the Properties window.
That folder should show up now in Networking as shared.

You can share whole drives but that may be a bit too far at this stage.
Small steps first :-)

That's too bad because, by long-standing well-thought-out design, I never
store /anything/ in the C:\Users hierarchy (at least not on purpose), but
this restriction is not deadly because I can move anything out that I do
store there, if necessary.

As a simple test from Windows to iPad, I found some MS Office templates:
https://www.davis.k12.ut.us/Page/2783
And then downloaded from Windows this Microsoft Word document:

https://www.davis.k12.ut.us/cms/lib/...sl-quotes.docx
And this Excel document:
https://www.davis.k12.ut.us/cms/lib/...-students.xlsx
To the Windows folder: C:\Users\Public\Documents


Lo and behold, these two new documents showed up on the iPad in File
Explorer over WiFi.

When I tapped on the Excel document in File Explorer, it mentioned it was
downloading, and then it popped up in some unknown editor on the iPad.

The Word document came up quicker in the unknown editor on the iPad, where
this proves the connection from Windows to iOS over WiFi via File Explorer.



On the iPad you want to install Word and Excel from the app store on
the iPad, they are free. Foxit PDF also on the iPad is useful for
reading PDF files.


To test the other direction, from the iOS device to Windows, I created a
document in the default iOS "Notes" app.

Unfortunately, in "Notes", when you hit the "sharing" icon, there isn't
much you can do with it since the only "apps" you can send it to are Email,
Pocket, Message, Mail, etc. (none of which are useful choices for apps).

There is a "Save to files" icon though, which can only save to an extremely
limited set of apps, namely:
- GarageBand
- Keynote
- Numbers
- Pages
- VLC
None of which are useful apps since I wish to save the file to the "File
Explorer" app, which doesn't show up in this list.

This limitation may be just because the primitive "Notes" app is too dumb
to do anything useful, since it /should/ have been trivial to save the file
to the File Explorer app private space.

So I need to ask you, mick, if you've been able to get files from iOS to
Windows using the "File Explorer" app on iOS? If so, what's the trick?


OK, lets send a photo from the iPad to windows.
Choose FE
Choose Photo Library
Choose Camera Roll
Choose Edit top right
Tick a photo
Choose Copy to at the bottom
Choose your shared folder
Choose Save
Choose Done after it has finished uploading. c


Thinking of another way, while I wait, if I use Chrome, I get even more
primitive sharing options on iOS, but if I use Safari on iOS, the sharing
options include "File Explorer", so here's what I tried.

I opened the Safari browser to a test PowerPoint doc at
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/to...amplepptx.pptx

While viewing that PowerPoint doc in Safari, I hit the "Sharing" button and
then the "Copy to File Explorer" button.
http://i.cubeupload.com/twlGlG.jpg

There was no indication of anything happening, which is a flaw in any
operating system, but which is pretty normal for iOS. The document did not
seem to go into File Explorer, so, the user is left wondering what
happened.
http://i.cubeupload.com/mAUKPG.jpg

The same primitive results happened when I pressed the Safari Sharing "Save
to Files", where the only options available didn't include any apps of any
use for the file-transfer purpose.

Interestingly, I hit the "save to Air Transfer" button inside of the
primitive Safari sharing mechanism, and it immediately told me with a great
graphic that it was saved into the "Documents" folder of Air Transfer app.
http://i.cubeupload.com/l3r5Oj.jpg

Using the primitive and limited Safari Sharing "Save to MFExplorer" button
also worked fine, successfully putting the file in the MyFileExplorer
private space under the "Import" directory.
http://i.cubeupload.com/sYEQVj.jpg

So, for whatever reason, either Safari failed and didn't provide any
messages when trying to save into the private space of "File Explorer", or,
maybe it worked, but File Explorer isn't showing where the file went?


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Old March 14th 18, 06:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mick
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Default Do you have an iOS device? How to get it to xfer screenshots to Windows 10 easily without that iTunes abomination?

On 14/03/2018 04:41:06, ultred ragnusen wrote:
mick wrote:


Thinking of another way, while I wait, if I use Chrome, I get even more
primitive sharing options on iOS, but if I use Safari on iOS, the sharing
options include "File Explorer", so here's what I tried.

I opened the Safari browser to a test PowerPoint doc at
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/to...amplepptx.pptx

While viewing that PowerPoint doc in Safari, I hit the "Sharing" button and
then the "Copy to File Explorer" button.
http://i.cubeupload.com/twlGlG.jpg

There was no indication of anything happening, which is a flaw in any
operating system, but which is pretty normal for iOS. The document did not
seem to go into File Explorer, so, the user is left wondering what
happened.
http://i.cubeupload.com/mAUKPG.jpg

The same primitive results happened when I pressed the Safari Sharing "Save
to Files", where the only options available didn't include any apps of any
use for the file-transfer purpose.

Interestingly, I hit the "save to Air Transfer" button inside of the
primitive Safari sharing mechanism, and it immediately told me with a great
graphic that it was saved into the "Documents" folder of Air Transfer app.
http://i.cubeupload.com/l3r5Oj.jpg

Using the primitive and limited Safari Sharing "Save to MFExplorer" button
also worked fine, successfully putting the file in the MyFileExplorer
private space under the "Import" directory.
http://i.cubeupload.com/sYEQVj.jpg

So, for whatever reason, either Safari failed and didn't provide any
messages when trying to save into the private space of "File Explorer", or,
maybe it worked, but File Explorer isn't showing where the file went?


Quite honestly I don't like iOS at all. I tolerate the iPad because
that is what my wife wanted and then only for Facetime. It does have
its uses but I have not had much inclination to really explore it to
the full.
I don't like Safari, even less Chrome. I use Firefox on the iPad.
The best thing to do is to make your own folders on the iPad in the
Local directory using FE.
Then using FE you can transfer any files from windows to those iPad
folders for viewing in whatever app you like.

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Old March 14th 18, 09:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
ultred ragnusen
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Default Do you have an iOS device? How to get it to xfer screenshots to Windows 10 easily without that iTunes abomination?

Paul wrote:

There's nothing primitive about that.


Hi Paul,
warning ... long reply

You're reasonable so I understand your point that "different" isn't
primitive, where I think I "can" argue primitive in functionality overall
for iOS - but most people only see "different".

For example, here's the app launcher on iOS as best it can be organized:
https://u.cubeupload.com/0Mattl.jpg

Here's that same setup on Android using a modern app launcher (where the
organization is meant for single-hand left-hand operation that fits my hand
size).
http://i.cubeupload.com/0Uldf2.jpg

Organizing like that is just not possible on iOS because, yes, iOS is
clearly different, but it's also clearly primitive in functionality.

There's no good reason for Apple to not allow people to put icons where
they want them on their mobile device desktop and to not allow people to
remove the dock if there's nothing inside of it.

Nonetheless, this isn't a discussion about iOS but it is a discussion of
HOW to interface what little there is of iOS that is interfacable with
Windows.

My biggest stumbling block is SMB because I don't know how to use it.
I can put an SMB server on iOS, such that the URL becomes:
smb://192.168.1.14
But I don't know what to do with that on Windows.

It's a walled garden, intended to wall off the copying of commercial
content all over the place (except as vetted by iTunes policies,
whatever they are this week).


Hi Paul,
Yes. I have had iOS products for many years, and I've used that iTunes
abomination well enough to know it's like a very bad guest in your house,
best left uninvited.

There's nothing that the iTunes abomination can do that we can't do on our
own, and, better yet - I happen to be dual boot, where whatever I set up
has to work in the real world (where Linux and Canada both exist in the
real world despite Apple not supporting them).

By exposing DCIM over MTP, unidirectional, that is an "emulation"
of a digital camera


Hi Paul,
Thanks for explaining that the iPad DCIM directory shows up as an emulated
camera.

I assumed that is what it was since on Linux, the iPad actually shows up as
a camera.
http://i.cubeupload.com/Qpq8Bc.png

Like a camera, it's only one way where you can't slide from Linux to the
iPad "camera" DCIM directory.
http://i.cubeupload.com/CmK9un.png

Whatever is shot through the lens of the
camera on your iPad is "your" content, it doesn't belong to Getty
or anyone else. You can download the DCIM files, in the same
sense you can download files from DCIM on your regular digital camera.


You are correct Paul, and I do very much understand exactly where you're
coming from when you mention "Getty", which, as we all know, Apple is
restrictive on what you can download "outside" of the Camera.

For example, here's a movie being downloaded from the desktop to the iPad
but using a non-Apple app, in this case, VLC, which has a two-way WiFi
capability for large movie transfer.
http://i.cubeupload.com/e5razP.jpg

So, the truth of the matter is that if you eschew Apple apps, you can
transfer anything you want back and forth, within reason.

There are still huge limitations on file formats that will play on iOS and
on what apps can do, but the rule of staying away from Apple apps is the
first rule to use if you want any degree of freedom.

Think of it as a digital camera emulation kinda outside the
walled garden, provided for your "convenience".


Hi Paul,
I certainly understand that the "concept" is supposed to be "it just works"
but the reality is that it's like being in prison in that you can't do the
simplest of things with iOS, such as organize your desktop the way you want
to, or, more to the point, to transfer files back and forth from Windows to
the iPad and vice versa at will.

Of course, that's my goal - to be able to transfer files easily, where I've
gotten the following working to some degree...
1. USB (I have this working only one way, & only for Camera files)
2. FTP (I have this working flawlessly both ways on Linux & Windows)
3. HTTP (I have this working flawlessly both ways on Linux & Windows)
4. SMB (I don't have enough knowledge of syntax yet to test this out)
5. BT (I don't have a Bluetooth PCI card or USB dongle on this desktop)
6. App-specific transfer (e.g., "File Explorer", "VLC", etc. work ok)

The model is still consistent with the Apple way of doing things.
When you buy Apple, you buy the whole package.


I realize, and I've said many times on the iOS newsgroups that the Apple
way is to "just give up" whenever you want to do something that Apple
marketing didn't already script for the user.

But I'm not that type. I don't just give up when Windows tries to update
me, just as I don't just give up whenever Apple tries to restrict me.

What's funny is that there is a definite hierarchy (IMHO) in the tendency
to just give up, where the iOS users just give up so often that they don't
even realize they give up every day all day and where the Linux users are
on the bottom where they never give up, and the Windows users are somewhere
in between.

If the iPad could be rooted, maybe it could be different ?


Yes. I've done both rooting and jailbreaking. But I prefer not to.

I don't keep track of how root-able little smartphones
and **** are these days. What's the point ? If I need a
hassle or a nuisance, I now have a pretty good idea where
I can find it.


Android rooting is so simple it's not funny. You just download an app such
as Kingoroot and run it. There are other methods, but that's one of the
simplest.
https://www.kingoapp.com/

My digital camera doesn't have issues. I get the files
just fine. Mine isn't a Wifi model, but I bet there are
more modern cameras where the Wifi works too.


USB is fine most of the time, but I have the iPad working over WiFi.
My biggest problem, so far, is smb since I don't understand it.

If I get this SMB URI out of an iPad, what can I do with it on Windows?]
smb://192.168.1.14
https://u.cubeupload.com/c53HYP.jpg

It used to be possible, to take iTunes installer apart with
7ZIP, into separate installers, and just install a portion of
it. But I can't remember what protocols or options this exposes.
Maybe you can look this up somewhere ?


Oh, trust me on this that I'm a very old hand with that iTunes abomination,
where I've watched every file it puts and where it puts it. It's just too
much to deal with, since iTunes is an abomination anyway, even if you do
manage to get most of the crap it installs to behave.

Worse, it doesn't even work in the real world, so, when I dual boot, I've
gotten nowwhere (and please don't suggest Wine). I'm too old and hence too
experienced to deal with either iTunes or Wine anymore.
Tunes however because of the missing component."

https://support.imazing.com/hc/en-us...evice-Windows-

Which leads us here. Just an example of the kinda stuff to look for.

https://imazing.com/


First off, I haven't had to install /anything/ on Windows or Linux, which
is how it should be, and which is the goal, since that has the most
portability when it uses native Windows/Linux tools.

Nonetheless, since you bothered to find this iMazing App, I'll do a quick
review, but I already know it's crap because I'm too experienced not to
know it's not going to need all the crapware that iTunes add. Just wait and
see....

BTW, some of the file-transfer apps that do what iTunes does did NOT need
to install all the Apple crapware, such as the /older/ versions of
SharePod, which I still use all the time on my iPods.

However, I'm sure, just by looking at the webpage for the program you
found, that it's going to install all sorts of Apple-mandated bloatware ...
but let's see.

Remember, the goal is to work in the real world, and without any software
on the desktop, so this iMazing app is just a better version of the iTunes
abomination, most likely ... but ... let's check it out anyway.

First off, just as a check, it's not an iOS app:
http://i.cubeupload.com/4dJirT.jpg

So it won't work in the real world because it's a Windows/Mac app:
https://imazing.com/download/windows

And it will almost assuredly add unwanted services and other bloatware just
as the iTunes abomination does.

Nonetheless that it won't work in the real world, since you went to the
trouble to find iMazing, and since I know, from experience, that it won't
work in the real world, I figured I'd give you more data about that by
installing it, at least on Windows, if not on Linux.

Here's my installation log, which I write for all installers:
The iMazing 2.4.7.0 Windows executable download is 87.5MB.
It wants to go in C:\Program Files\DigiDNA\iMazing
I put it in C:\app\hardware\ios\imazing (122MB)

Just like with the iTunes abomination, the iMazing software downloads the
following dependencies:
Apple Application Support (32bit & 64 bit)
Apple Mobile Device Support 64 bit)
Apple Bonjour 64 bit
http://i.cubeupload.com/vfwHUW.jpg

Notice, just like the iTunes abomination, most of the software doesn't go
where you told it to go. For example, the Bonjour crapware didn't go where
you asked it to go; instead the Bonjour crapware went into:
C:\Program Files\Bonjour & C:\Program Files (x86)\Bonjour

This is some of the crapware that was added by the iMazing installer:
Apple Mobile Device Support 11.0.5.14
AppleApplicationSupport 6.3
AppleApplicationSupport4 6.3
Bonjour 3.1.0.1

In the task manager, there's a crapware "Bonjour service" & a crapware
"Apple Mobile Device Service" under "MobileDeviceService".

The iMazing app recognizes the iPad, but apparently only via USB:
http://i.cubeupload.com/t4DZ0b.jpg

The initial view only shows the Apple-mandated apps on the iPad, and none
of the app-transfer apps that I have loaded yet (but that comes later).
http://i.cubeupload.com/7VORmh.jpg

Namely it shows, by default, Camera, Photos, Music, Videos, iBooks,
Messages, Notes, Contacts, Phone, Apps, File System, and New Shortcut.

In addition, the actions that seem available are Back Up, Restore a Backup,
Transfer to another Device, Manage Apps, Options, Check Warranty, Sleep,
Restart, Shut Down, Export Raw Data, Show Device Console, Forget, Reinstall
iOS, and Erase All Content.

When I clicked "New Shortcut", now more apps showed up, namely
FileExplorer, GarageBand, iMovie, Keynote, MFExplorer, Numbers, Pages, Topo
Reader, VLC and WiFi HD.
http://i.cubeupload.com/30D3cf.jpg

So I added the non-Apple apps above to get this:
http://i.cubeupload.com/VpyM9u.jpg

Wanting to slide a movie into the private space of VLC, I clicked on VLC to
see this "copy to PC" and "copy to device" option for VLC's private space.
http://i.cubeupload.com/TpGPBJ.jpg

It asked me if I wanted to transfer a file or a folder, where I selected
"file" and then I selected a feature-length movie AVI file, where the first
limitation just popped up, which I expected but I didn't know what the
limitation would be (since they never make it clear at the start):
http://i.cubeupload.com/HP5Go7.jpg

The catch with iMazing, besides all the expected catches that it will never
work in the real world and that it requires bloatware on your computer and
bloatservices and that it doesn't behave itself etc., is that it doesn't
even work in the general sense for all users for any decent length of time.

The iMazing software is crippleware, limited to:
10 Messages
50 Photos
50 Music
5 Books
5 Notes
10 Contacts
5 Call History
1 Voicemail
3 Voice Memos
100 File Transfer
10 BackupExport

I deleted the iMazing crippleware after this quick test.

In summary, I am too experienced to believe there is any need for such
crippleware simply to transfer files back and forth from an iOS device to a
Windows or Linux desktop without having to install anything on the Windows
desktop.

However, while crippleware isn't for me, I do agree with you Paul, that if
someone hates the iTunes abomination, and if they're willing to purchase
this iMazing software and if they're not in the real world, then it should
work fine for copying files back and forth but only between Windows/Mac and
the iOS device.
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Old March 14th 18, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
ultred ragnusen
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Default Do you have an iOS device? How to get it to xfer screenshots to Windows 10 easily without that iTunes abomination?

John Doe wrote:

It's a walled garden, intended to wall off the copying of
commercial content all over the place (except as vetted by iTunes
policies, whatever they are this week).


You can't argue with success?


In short, Apple has a policy of making money at all costs, even to the
point of restricting what the iOS user can do.

This has been a hugely successful money making business for Apple, and, in
fact, it has led to the Android success for those people who don't wish to
be limited in what they can do.

For example, there are zero app functionalities on iOS that aren't already
on Android, simply because the hardware on Android and iOS is about the
same, while Apple severely restricts what the apps can do.

Meanwhile, there is tons of app functionality on Android that isn't on iOS
simply because Google does not limit what the apps can do. For example, on
both the Google Play and F-Droid repositories is a YouTube clone that never
shows ads and can download videos. Could Google kill that clone? Sure. Do
they? Nope. It's been around for years.

But that Google YouTube clone isn't availble on iOS. Why? I don't know why.
But it's not. I can list a ton of app functionalities on Android that
aren't on iOS though. Things like bit torrenting is on Android but Apple
disallows it. Same with automatic phone call recording although I don't
know if Apple disallows it - I just know it doesn't exist.

Same with loading any app launcher, or with something as simple as spitting
out your installed apps to a text file on the device, or something as
simple as having an app icon in two relevant folders, or even something as
simple as removing an empty dock.

The list goes on for a long time of app functionalities on Android that
don't exist on iOS. For example, I can easily graph the signal strength of
all access points visible to my phone over time as I walk about the house
and yard on Android but that simple task is impossible on iOS. Why is it
impossible on iOS? I don't know. I just know that it is.

Same with me viewing the unique cellular tower id of my femto tower versus
my cellular repeater in my house. On Android, you get the unique tower id.
On iOS, that's impossible (they revoked the API after iOS 4.x apparently).

This list of app functionality on Android that isn't on ioS goes on for a
very long time, while the reverse has zero app functionalities on iOS that
isn't already on Android.

Since there is zero app functionality on iOS that isn't on Android, but
there is a ton of app functionality on Android that isn't on iOS, the user
is the one who chooses whether that matters to him or not.

If app functionality is your shtick, then you use Android.
If app functionality isn't your shtick, then iOS might work fine for you.

BTW, I've already given empirical evidence for the well known fact that
there is zero app funcdtionality on iOS that isn't already on Android while
there is tons of app functionality on Android that isn't on iOS.

But there is a rational logic to that fact.
1. The hardware is about the same
2. Apple severely limits what APIs the apps can access
3. Google limits that API access far less than does Apple

Bingo. That alone is why iOS will always be less functional than Android.

Nonetheless, this thread wasn't about that.
This thread was simply how to get iOS to work with Windows in the real
world.

We've tried the following, to varying degrees of success:
1. USB (I have this working only one way, & only for Camera files)
2. FTP (I have this working flawlessly both ways on Linux & Windows)
3. HTTP (I have this working flawlessly both ways on Linux & Windows)
4. SMB (I don't have enough knowledge of syntax yet to test this out)
5. BT (I don't have a Bluetooth PCI card or USB dongle on this desktop)
6. App-specific transfer (e.g., "File Explorer", "VLC", etc.)
7. Desktop apple-services (e.g., iMazing - which works - but not on Linux)
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Old March 14th 18, 10:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mick wrote:

Quite honestly I don't like iOS at all.


I have plenty of iOS devices along with Android & Windows & Linux devices,
where iOS is the most limited of all the common consumer operating systems
by far.

Mostly in order to tolerate iOS, you have to "just give up" on doing the
simplest of things, where I have iOS for only two reasons:
a. To learn, and,
b. To interface with the ladies in my family who are non technical

At Christmas, I bought four $130 LG Stylo 3 Plus Android phones at Costco,
and this month I bought 2 iPads at Costco to give as gifts to my family,
where I added a third $300 iPad for me to use to help the others learn how
to use them.

If it wasn't for those two reasons (a) learning and (b) helping others, I
wouldn't be using iOS since I've long ago proven there is zero app
functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android while there is tons of
app functionality on Android that isn't on iOS (e.g., loading any launcher,
automatic phone recording, recording wifi signal strength over time
graphically, etc.).

I tolerate the iPad because
that is what my wife wanted and then only for Facetime.


Yup. In my extended family, the ladies are non technical, and the younger
and older ones /love/ iOS devices, while the guys are technical and hate
them. You can draw a line by gender, out of a score of people, and it's
almost perfectly aligned, although some of the ladies use Android too.

I tolerate iOS only for two reasons:
a. To learn, and,
b. To teach.

It does have
its uses but I have not had much inclination to really explore it to
the full.


I've asked on the iOS newsgroups for /years/ if there is any app
functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android and all they can come up
with is marketing trademarks (like AirDrop(tm) brand of ad-hoc file
transfer services, where Android has plenty of them, or ApplePay(tm) brand
electronic payment services, again, where Android has plenty of them).

After years of searching, I've concluded there is zero app functionality on
iOS that isn't already on Android, while it takes seconds to find app
funcionality on Android that isn't on iOS (e.g., just the ability to have
an app drawer app is app functionality that iOS doesn't have, for one of
the simplest examples). The iOS user has to create a "junk" folder instead
of having an "app drawer" app for heaven's sake.

I don't like Safari, even less Chrome.


I'm with you on both of those.

The problem is that Safari, in my tests above, did things that Chrome
didn't, so I'm forced to use Safari if I want to do those things. I use Tor
Browser Bundle most of the time anyway, which is Firefox but which doesn't
run on iOS (so that's another limitation of iOS although there are plenty
of apps pretending to be the Tor Browser Bundle functionality on iOS).

I use Firefox on the iPad.


So do I but in reality, I almost never use any mobile device with a web
browser unless I'm on the road and hence forced to.

The best thing to do is to make your own folders on the iPad in the
Local directory using FE.
Then using FE you can transfer any files from windows to those iPad
folders for viewing in whatever app you like.


This is a good idea. Thanks.

Right now, for whatever reason, File Explorer won't connect to Windows, so,
I may need to start over. Sigh.
http://i.cubeupload.com/XLmc84.jpg

There are no usable error messages so I don't even know how to
troubleshoot.
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Old March 14th 18, 10:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mick wrote:

I have found that it is windows 10 that won't share without a password,
it needs one to share between windows computers.


Hi mick,

Thanks for that confirmation, which makes sense, that it's Windows that
won't share to the FileExplorer app over WiFi without Windows having a
password.

This requirement for a Windows password is a limitation that the other apps
I tested didn't have because they didn't use whatever file-sharing
mechanism this FileExplorer app is using.

Hence, the obvious question is...

What "is" this file-sharing mechanism that FileExplorer is using anyway?
Is it SMB?


Any idea why I can't get into those 4 folders which seem to be my C, D, and
E drives (where I'm not sure what ADMIN$ indicates)?


Because you were not sharing them.


That makes too much sense.

So far so good.
The last part, Homegroup.
I have 'Use user accounts and passwords to connect to other computers@
I don not use the Homegroup option.


Hmmm... I don't use any workgroups, but since it worked in the end, I won't
worry about "homegroup" options.

With password protected sharing off you will only ever see the Public
folders.


Actually, that's fine to only see the C:\Users\Public folder because I'm
never going to store anything in C:\Users so it's just a temporary drop off
point.

By using password protected sharing you will be able to set sharing on
any folder or drive on your windows machine.


That's more direct, but I'd prefer to have no passwords whatsoever since
passwords are just something to be forgotten and I don't need them.

File sharing on win 10.
Pick a personal folder on one of your drives.
Right click, choose Properties, choose Sharing tab, click the Share
button, choose or add ultred, make sure Permission Level is
Read/Write, click Share, click Done, close the Properties window.
That folder should show up now in Networking as shared.


OK. I'll share a folder /outside/ of the C:\Users hierarchy, such as
C:\data\sharedstuff for the iPad to access with FileExplorer

Right now, for whatever reason, File Explorer won't connect to Windows, so,
I may need to start over. Sigh.
http://i.cubeupload.com/XLmc84.jpg

There are no usable error messages so I don't even know how to
troubleshoot..

You can share whole drives but that may be a bit too far at this stage.
Small steps first :-)


Yup. Small steps.
The biggest small step is /identifying/ what protocol FileExplorer is using
to connect to Windows shares.

Is it SMB?

On the iPad you want to install Word and Excel from the app store on
the iPad, they are free. Foxit PDF also on the iPad is useful for
reading PDF files.


Thanks. That advice will be helpful to me and to others.

I had put the Microsoft read-only apps on a different iPad /years/ ago on
the day that they came out on iOS for the first time and never used them
once since, so I won't bother with MS Office read-only apps on the new
iPad.

Any mobile device is too small a screen and too limited in keyboard to be
worth the trouble when Windows already has Microsoft Office and a real
keyboard.

So I need to ask you, mick, if you've been able to get files from iOS to
Windows using the "File Explorer" app on iOS? If so, what's the trick?


OK, lets send a photo from the iPad to windows.
Choose FE
Choose Photo Library
Choose Camera Roll
Choose Edit top right
Tick a photo
Choose Copy to at the bottom
Choose your shared folder
Choose Save
Choose Done after it has finished uploading.


Good instructions. The tribal knowledge archives are improved by your post!

The main question is what protocol FileExplorer uses.
Is it SMB?

If so, these are the solutions to date we've tested somewhat.
1. USB (works seamlessly both ways for Windows, one way for Linux)
2. FTP (works seamlessly both ways for both Windows & Linux)
3. HTTP (works seamlessly both ways for both Windows & Linux)
4. SMB (probably works - but smb:// URIs are foreign to me in Win/Linux)
5. Bluetooth (this would work but I don't have BT or WiFi on my desktop)
6. App-specific transfer (e.g., "File Explorer" & "VLC" work both ways)
7. Desktop apple-services (e.g., iMazing - which works - but not on Linux)
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Old March 14th 18, 10:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Do you have an iOS device? How to get it to xfer screenshots to Windows 10 easily without that iTunes abomination?

On 14/03/2018 21:10:57, ultred ragnusen wrote:
mick wrote:

I have found that it is windows 10 that won't share without a password,
it needs one to share between windows computers.


Hi mick,

Thanks for that confirmation, which makes sense, that it's Windows that
won't share to the FileExplorer app over WiFi without Windows having a
password.

This requirement for a Windows password is a limitation that the other apps
I tested didn't have because they didn't use whatever file-sharing
mechanism this FileExplorer app is using.

Hence, the obvious question is...

What "is" this file-sharing mechanism that FileExplorer is using anyway?
Is it SMB?


I have no idea, SMB/CIF is mentioned in the blurb on the website.
You could always ask,


Any idea why I can't get into those 4 folders which seem to be my C, D, and
E drives (where I'm not sure what ADMIN$ indicates)?


Because you were not sharing them.


That makes too much sense.

So far so good.
The last part, Homegroup.
I have 'Use user accounts and passwords to connect to other computers@
I don not use the Homegroup option.


Hmmm... I don't use any workgroups, but since it worked in the end, I won't
worry about "homegroup" options.

With password protected sharing off you will only ever see the Public
folders.


Actually, that's fine to only see the C:\Users\Public folder because I'm
never going to store anything in C:\Users so it's just a temporary drop off
point.

By using password protected sharing you will be able to set sharing on
any folder or drive on your windows machine.


That's more direct, but I'd prefer to have no passwords whatsoever since
passwords are just something to be forgotten and I don't need them.


You only ever use the same logon password irrespective of how many
drives/folders/files you share. Not a different password for each
drive/folder/file.

File sharing on win 10.
Pick a personal folder on one of your drives.
Right click, choose Properties, choose Sharing tab, click the Share
button, choose or add ultred, make sure Permission Level is
Read/Write, click Share, click Done, close the Properties window.
That folder should show up now in Networking as shared.


OK. I'll share a folder /outside/ of the C:\Users hierarchy, such as
C:\data\sharedstuff for the iPad to access with FileExplorer

Right now, for whatever reason, File Explorer won't connect to Windows, so,
I may need to start over. Sigh.
http://i.cubeupload.com/XLmc84.jpg

There are no usable error messages so I don't even know how to
troubleshoot..

You can share whole drives but that may be a bit too far at this stage.
Small steps first :-)


Yup. Small steps.
The biggest small step is /identifying/ what protocol FileExplorer is using
to connect to Windows shares.

Is it SMB?


See reply above.

On the iPad you want to install Word and Excel from the app store on
the iPad, they are free. Foxit PDF also on the iPad is useful for
reading PDF files.


Thanks. That advice will be helpful to me and to others.

I had put the Microsoft read-only apps on a different iPad /years/ ago on
the day that they came out on iOS for the first time and never used them
once since, so I won't bother with MS Office read-only apps on the new
iPad.

Any mobile device is too small a screen and too limited in keyboard to be
worth the trouble when Windows already has Microsoft Office and a real
keyboard.


They are not read only apps, they are fully functionable.


So I need to ask you, mick, if you've been able to get files from iOS to
Windows using the "File Explorer" app on iOS? If so, what's the trick?


OK, lets send a photo from the iPad to windows.
Choose FE
Choose Photo Library
Choose Camera Roll
Choose Edit top right
Tick a photo
Choose Copy to at the bottom
Choose your shared folder
Choose Save
Choose Done after it has finished uploading.


Good instructions. The tribal knowledge archives are improved by your post!

The main question is what protocol FileExplorer uses.
Is it SMB?

If so, these are the solutions to date we've tested somewhat.
1. USB (works seamlessly both ways for Windows, one way for Linux)
2. FTP (works seamlessly both ways for both Windows & Linux)
3. HTTP (works seamlessly both ways for both Windows & Linux)
4. SMB (probably works - but smb:// URIs are foreign to me in Win/Linux)
5. Bluetooth (this would work but I don't have BT or WiFi on my desktop)
6. App-specific transfer (e.g., "File Explorer" & "VLC" work both ways)
7. Desktop apple-services (e.g., iMazing - which works - but not on Linux)


--
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Old March 14th 18, 10:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mick wrote:

You only ever use the same logon password irrespective of how many
drives/folders/files you share. Not a different password for each
drive/folder/file.


Thanks mick for that clarification that my one password of "ultred/ultred"
works for all the shared folders.

In practice, I'll likely only share a single folder, probably at:
C:\data\hardware\ios\shared or something like that since my "data"
hierarchy is the only one that needs to be backed up off the machine.

Everything else on my Windows machine can be blown away and it wouldn't
matter one bit, by design.

The biggest small step is /identifying/ what protocol FileExplorer is using
to connect to Windows shares.

Is it SMB?


See reply above.


Hmmm... I saw this first ... so I'll look for a different post from you.
At the moment, I 'assume' it's SMB but I'll await your other reply.

Any mobile device is too small a screen and too limited in keyboard to be
worth the trouble when Windows already has Microsoft Office and a real
keyboard.


They are not read only apps, they are fully functionable.


Hmmmmm... without paying for them?
Or do you mean if you pay?

If they're fully functional for free, then I might download them again, but
not if they're just readers.
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Old March 14th 18, 10:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/03/2018 21:38:52, ultred ragnusen wrote:
mick wrote:

You only ever use the same logon password irrespective of how many
drives/folders/files you share. Not a different password for each
drive/folder/file.


Thanks mick for that clarification that my one password of "ultred/ultred"
works for all the shared folders.

In practice, I'll likely only share a single folder, probably at:
C:\data\hardware\ios\shared or something like that since my "data"
hierarchy is the only one that needs to be backed up off the machine.

Everything else on my Windows machine can be blown away and it wouldn't
matter one bit, by design.

The biggest small step is /identifying/ what protocol FileExplorer is using
to connect to Windows shares.

Is it SMB?


See reply above.


Hmmm... I saw this first ... so I'll look for a different post from you.
At the moment, I 'assume' it's SMB but I'll await your other reply.


You snipped the reply out at the top this post :-)

It does seem to be SMBv2 if you look at the settings (gear wheel) in
FE. Well, it is switched on by default on my iPad.


Any mobile device is too small a screen and too limited in keyboard to be
worth the trouble when Windows already has Microsoft Office and a real
keyboard.


They are not read only apps, they are fully functionable.


Hmmmmm... without paying for them?
Or do you mean if you pay?

If they're fully functional for free, then I might download them again, but
not if they're just readers.


They are free. No harm installing them, if you don't like just
uninstall them again.

--
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Old March 14th 18, 10:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Do you have an iOS device? How to get it to xfer screenshots to Windows 10 easily without that iTunes abomination?

ultred ragnusen wrote:

Right now, for whatever reason, File Explorer won't connect to Windows, so,
I may need to start over. Sigh.
http://i.cubeupload.com/XLmc84.jpg

There are no usable error messages so I don't even know how to
troubleshoot.


Well, I solved that connectivity problem above simply by rebooting Windows
and rebooting the iPad, where I'm pretty sure it was Windows that screwed
up.

That's one thing about Windows networking that I've learned over the years
using FTP servers and FTP URIs in the network neighborhood. Windows is
flaky as hell. It works. Then it stops working. You reboot. And it works
again.

Flaky as hell is Windows networking. Sigh.

Anyway, once I rebooted Windows, File Explorer connected without me
changing anything on File Explorer and your suggestion of moving over a
picture from File Explorer to Windows shared folders worked perfectly.

I can't see into any of the "dollar" folders (e.g., C$, D$, etc.) but I can
see easily into the "Users" folder, so that's likely because it's the only
place anything is shared, by default.

So I created this directory on Windows and shared it as "share":
C:\data\ipad\share\
http://i.cubeupload.com/d5gzyV.jpg
Where the upload from iOS to that share worked fine:
http://i.cubeupload.com/3mJnSz.jpg

This share location should allow two-way sharing over WiFi, which is
perfect - but I still haven't seen the answer whether this is SMB or not
(did I miss it?).

This is the result on Windows - but I have to test if it works with Linux:
http://i.cubeupload.com/gp8laa.jpg

Do you know if Linux can handle these types of URIs?
\\DESKTOP\share
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Old March 14th 18, 11:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/03/2018 21:57:30, ultred ragnusen wrote:
ultred ragnusen wrote:

Right now, for whatever reason, File Explorer won't connect to Windows, so,
I may need to start over. Sigh.
http://i.cubeupload.com/XLmc84.jpg

There are no usable error messages so I don't even know how to
troubleshoot.


Well, I solved that connectivity problem above simply by rebooting Windows
and rebooting the iPad, where I'm pretty sure it was Windows that screwed
up.

That's one thing about Windows networking that I've learned over the years
using FTP servers and FTP URIs in the network neighborhood. Windows is
flaky as hell. It works. Then it stops working. You reboot. And it works
again.

Flaky as hell is Windows networking. Sigh.

Anyway, once I rebooted Windows, File Explorer connected without me
changing anything on File Explorer and your suggestion of moving over a
picture from File Explorer to Windows shared folders worked perfectly.

I can't see into any of the "dollar" folders (e.g., C$, D$, etc.) but I can
see easily into the "Users" folder, so that's likely because it's the only
place anything is shared, by default.

So I created this directory on Windows and shared it as "share":
C:\data\ipad\share\
http://i.cubeupload.com/d5gzyV.jpg
Where the upload from iOS to that share worked fine:
http://i.cubeupload.com/3mJnSz.jpg

This share location should allow two-way sharing over WiFi, which is
perfect - but I still haven't seen the answer whether this is SMB or not
(did I miss it?).

This is the result on Windows - but I have to test if it works with Linux:
http://i.cubeupload.com/gp8laa.jpg

Do you know if Linux can handle these types of URIs?
\\DESKTOP\share


I've got three win 10 desktops here, since the latest update 1709, they
see each other fine. Before that, one of them was a pain. If it was
not the first to be booted one of the others could never see it.
Windows networking and flaky certainly go together, just like gin and
tonic :-)

I have given up on Linux. I tried many distros, the one I like most
was Solydk https://solydxk.com/
I could always get Linux to see the windows network but never get
windows to see Linux. Perhaps not a big deal but it would have been
nice.

Someone with more Linux experience maybe able to help you more with
your question.

--
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Old March 15th 18, 12:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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ultred ragnusen wrote:

John Doe wrote:

It's a walled garden, intended to wall off the copying of
commercial content all over the place (except as vetted by
iTunes policies, whatever they are this week).


You can't argue with success?


In short, Apple has a policy of making money at all costs, even to
the point of restricting what the iOS user can do.

This has been a hugely successful money making business for Apple,
and, in fact, it has led to the Android success for those people
who don't wish to be limited in what they can do.


The reason for Apple's success with iTunes and then the iPhone is
innovation. The majority of iPhone users probably do not have PCs
and could not care less about PC connectivity.
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Old March 15th 18, 01:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mick wrote:

It does seem to be SMBv2 if you look at the settings (gear wheel) in
FE. Well, it is switched on by default on my iPad.


Hi mick,

That makes lots of sense that File Explorer uses SMB to share files with
Windows, where it's actually an SMC "client", whereas the WiFi HD app on
iOS seems to be an SMB server (in addition to being an HTTP & FTP server).
http://i.cubeupload.com/ykPqDI.jpg

The fact that File Explorer seems to be an SMB client means that, probably,
all I have to do is get Samba working on Linux, which serves SMB shares
over Linux, where File Explorer won't know the difference between the Linux
\\DESKTOP\share and the Windows \\DESKTOP\share
https://www.computerbeginnersguides....tful-aardvark/


If they're fully functional for free, then I might download them again, but
not if they're just readers.


They are free. No harm installing them, if you don't like just
uninstall them again.


Well, if MS Office is really free on iOS, where they can /edit/ files, then
I'll try it (again) after all these years, but I'm too experienced to
believe that they're free...

1. I installed Microsoft PowerPoint Word & Excel on the iPad.
2. On the desktop, I picked up these sample ppt, doc, and xls files:
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/to...amplepptx.pptx
https://www2a.cdc.gov/cdcup/library/...n_Template.doc
https://mdcune.psych.ucla.edu/module...ample_data.xls
3. I copied those files over to the File Explorer \\DESKTOP\share folder
4. I tap on each inside of File Explorer which brings them up
5. I hit the share button in that editor which allows the MS Office app
In each app, it says "Read Only - You can't save changes to this file."

The free iOS MS Office is just readers, which is what they always were.
PPT: http://i.cubeupload.com/F6TX2D.jpg
DOC: http://i.cubeupload.com/ggcSBX.jpg
XLS: http://i.cubeupload.com/ubMHjc.jpg

So I deleted all three apps, as they're no better than having nothing since
the Apple no-name tool reads them all too.
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Old March 15th 18, 01:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mick wrote:

I've got three win 10 desktops here, since the latest update 1709, they
see each other fine. Before that, one of them was a pain. If it was
not the first to be booted one of the others could never see it.
Windows networking and flaky certainly go together, just like gin and
tonic :-)


Yup. I'm on 1709 and it's still as flaky as was 1511.
I see the flakiness most with FTP URIs, where I use the native Windows File
Explorer, which sometimes can connect no problem, but other times it can't
connect, even though FileZilla or WinSCP has no problems connecting.

So I've just assumed that Windows networking is just flaky.
Someone with better understanding can explain why, but not me.

I have given up on Linux. I tried many distros, the one I like most
was Solydk https://solydxk.com/


Ubuntu 17.10 is pretty good now that they've ditched Unity.

I could always get Linux to see the windows network but never get
windows to see Linux.


Well, I have that same experience with hard disks where Linux sees the
entire Windows hard disk with no problem while Windows doesn't see the
Linux hard disk (it's the same machine - I just boot to one or the other).

Linux reads and writes to the Windows disk so beautifully that it's not
funny. It's just perfect. Linux even uses "C:" as part of a file spec where
the colon is just another character, so that makes it easy to cd to
c:/data/ipad/share for example, for C:\data\ipad\share on Windows.

Perhaps not a big deal but it would have been nice.


I don't network Windows & Linux because it's a dual boot that is one or the
other.

Someone with more Linux experience maybe able to help you more with
your question.


I'm almost certain that the File Explorer SMB client won't even know the
difference between the Linux \\DESKTOP\share and the Windows
\\DESKTOP\share after I figure out and set up Samba SMB server on Linux.
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Old March 15th 18, 01:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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John Doe wrote:

The reason for Apple's success with iTunes and then the iPhone is
innovation. The majority of iPhone users probably do not have PCs
and could not care less about PC connectivity.


I'm sure that more than a decade ago iTunes was innovative, but now it's
just restrictive.

Worse, iTunes is the canonical definition of bloatware.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=itunes+bloatware

Worse still, iTunes doesn't work in the real world.

The only people who suggest iTunes are those whose imaginary belief system
is entirely fabricated by Apple so it doesn't include anything outside the
walled garden.

But this thread isn't about that.
This thread is about interfacing iOS to Windows, where we've had some good
success today.

1. USB (works seamlessly both ways for Windows, one way for Linux)
2. FTP server (works seamlessly both ways for both Windows & Linux)
3. HTTP server (works seamlessly both ways for both Windows & Linux)
4. SMB server (probably works - but smb:// URIs are foreign to me in
Win/Linux)
5. Bluetooth (this would work but I don't have BT or WiFi on my desktop)
6. SMB client (e.g., File Explorer, which will work also with Linux Samba)
7. WiFi server (e.g., VLC, which uses an unknown protocol at the moment)
8. Apple-services (e.g., iMazing - which fails miserably just as iTunes
does)
 




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