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Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
On 20/03/2018 02:49:36, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
In article news Stepping on a political soapbox, what I think is happening is a dumbing down of the user who doesn't even REALIZE what a good menu SHOULD look like, such that we're few and far between who understand what a menu should do. You'll note, by the way, that I'm a (self-assessed!) "pro" when it comes to app launching menus, where I pioneered (as far as I am aware among all my associates) an organization of hierarchical menus when they first came out. On Android, you'll note that I maintain a well-defined SINGLE SCREEN hierarchy: http://i.cubeupload.com/61A3dr.jpg Where on iOS it's still SINGLE SCREEN but it isn't as well built (simply because iOS is primitive compared to Android in that regard). http://i.cubeupload.com/F1fbRe.jpg The point is that I was HOPING that Window10 start menu had the basic functionality that we had since Windows XP days which is a simple hierarchical menu that handled the typical hierarchy of computers. This Win10 start menu, with respect to hierarchy, is almost no better than a mobile-device menu. Sigh. It all started with Windows 8 when MS decided that a desktop pc needed to look like a mobile device. -- mick |
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Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
In article , mick wrote:
I am not defending Win 10 but you have to realise that it is an ongoing development and those things that you desire may well come in the future. Hi mick, Let's hope that, some day, the users rebel against the Start-Menu facade enough that Microsoft actually puts a decent level of hierarchy into the Start Menu. OK, so third party software has addressed issues a long time ago and that is why I do and would use it in preference to any MS based offering. I can only hope that there is a third-party hack that allows the Windows 10 tiled menu to be functionally hierarchical. Windows on the outside is dumbed down and caters for the masses who don't know the difference between a music file and a photo file, and probably don't even know what a file is :-) It is sad, we agree, that a lot of the crap that Microsoft ships is its attempt to make files "findable" by the hoi polloi. Take the desktop, with Linux you can have multiple desktops, each configured how you want with individual settings. You could have one desktop just for photo programs, one for all internet related, one for desktop publishing, one for music and so on. I didn't even know you can do that! With windows 10 we have multiple desktops but you cannot configure them individually like you can with Linux. Will win 10 eventually get the versatile Linux way of doing desktops, maybe, maybe not. MS Windows is like the infants Mega Bloks, to do anything really serious you need to add the Lego Technic blocks to it. Yup. With regard to the menu, there was never anything wrong with the classic start menu. Microsoft, for whatever reason, abandoned what was working just fine. That's not so bad if the new menus had at least the same functionality, but, apparently, they don't since the tiled menu doesn't have sufficient hierarchy. I suspect extremely few people use the tiled menu because I can't find a lot of pictures of more than the default 5 groups, which is just crazy because most people would have more than five types of software functionality. |
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Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
In article , mick wrote:
This Win10 start menu, with respect to hierarchy, is almost no better than a mobile-device menu. Sigh. It all started with Windows 8 when MS decided that a desktop pc needed to look like a mobile device. I can't disagree with you, mick, in that this downward slide in "start menu" functionality started long ago, where I fault the clueless users who haven't rebelled sufficiently to make Microsoft think twice. Sure, Classic Shell is a solution, and I, like many, used it, but I'm trying to wrestle Windows 10 into behaving, having been burned recently rather badly. It's all a repeat of the past, in a way, in that I used to try to keep the "Start Programs" menu clean of pollution in the olden days, but every time I installed anything, the "Start PRograms" menu was littered with the selfish debris of useless readme, website, uninstller, etc. garbage. The simple solution, so simple it's genius in fact, was to avoid anything that Microsoft created that any app knew about and had the ability to pollute. It's like having my own alley in NY City that nobody knows about, hence they don't dump all their garbage there. The good news, if there is any, of this Microsoft tiled start menu is that it doesn't seem to be polluted by programs. Is that an accurate observation? Do programs NOT pollute this Win 10 tiled start menu? (They sure seem to be avoiding it in my installations.) How? Why? Since the urge of all programs is to pollute your start menu, how and why does my Microsoft tiled start menu NOT get polluted every time I install something? |
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Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
On 20/03/2018 23:59:30, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
In article , mick wrote: The good news, if there is any, of this Microsoft tiled start menu is that it doesn't seem to be polluted by programs. Is that an accurate observation? Yes. Do programs NOT pollute this Win 10 tiled start menu? (They sure seem to be avoiding it in my installations.) Correct. How? Don't know. Why? Don't know. Since the urge of all programs is to pollute your start menu, how and why does my Microsoft tiled start menu NOT get polluted every time I install something? It's a glorified jump list, you have to pin them there. -- mick |
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Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
On 20/03/2018 23:59:28, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
In article , mick wrote: Take the desktop, with Linux you can have multiple desktops, each configured how you want with individual settings. You could have one desktop just for photo programs, one for all internet related, one for desktop publishing, one for music and so on. I didn't even know you can do that! On KDE versions with Plasma. -- mick |
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Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
mick wrote:
I didn't even know you can do that! On KDE versions with Plasma. Oh, KDE. Plasma. My main exposure to KDE was as a desktop replacement to Unity on Ubuntu. Luckily, they finally went Gnome in Ubuntu 17.10, but KDE sure was configurable. No experience with Plasma though... seems to be a 'widget-based' environment, according to the web site... https://www.kde.org/plasma-desktop |
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Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
mick wrote:
Since the urge of all programs is to pollute your start menu, how and why does my Microsoft tiled start menu NOT get polluted every time I install something? It's a glorified jump list, you have to pin them there. Well, then at least Microsoft did that one thing right because I believe the death of the cascaded Start Menu was the day the first program installer figured out that it could pollute the users' menus with their litter. Given that every program polluted the Program menu, the result was and is no different than the ridiculous alphabetical by brand name menu that Windows 10 has, by default. The good news is that, if the Windows 10 tiled menu can be made hierarchical, it wouldn't be polluted by programs, which is the best news of all. That's one step in the right direction anyway, for a menu system, which is that it must be entirely under the control of the user in that nothing goes in it that the user doesn't put in it. |
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