A Windows XP help forum. PCbanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PCbanter forum » Windows 10 » Windows 10 Help Forum
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?



 
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #31  
Old March 20th 18, 02:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mick
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 280
Default Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?

On 20/03/2018 02:49:36, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
In article news
Stepping on a political soapbox, what I think is happening is a dumbing
down of the user who doesn't even REALIZE what a good menu SHOULD look
like, such that we're few and far between who understand what a menu should
do.


You'll note, by the way, that I'm a (self-assessed!) "pro" when it comes to
app launching menus, where I pioneered (as far as I am aware among all my
associates) an organization of hierarchical menus when they first came out.

On Android, you'll note that I maintain a well-defined SINGLE SCREEN
hierarchy:
http://i.cubeupload.com/61A3dr.jpg

Where on iOS it's still SINGLE SCREEN but it isn't as well built (simply
because iOS is primitive compared to Android in that regard).
http://i.cubeupload.com/F1fbRe.jpg

The point is that I was HOPING that Window10 start menu had the basic
functionality that we had since Windows XP days which is a simple
hierarchical menu that handled the typical hierarchy of computers.

This Win10 start menu, with respect to hierarchy, is almost no better than
a mobile-device menu. Sigh.


It all started with Windows 8 when MS decided that a desktop pc needed
to look like a mobile device.

--
mick
Ads
  #32  
Old March 21st 18, 12:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ragnusen Ultred
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 17
Default Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?

In article , mick wrote:

I am not defending Win 10 but you have to realise that it is an ongoing
development and those things that you desire may well come in the
future.


Hi mick,
Let's hope that, some day, the users rebel against the Start-Menu facade
enough that Microsoft actually puts a decent level of hierarchy into the
Start Menu.

OK, so third party software has addressed issues a long time
ago and that is why I do and would use it in preference to any MS based
offering.


I can only hope that there is a third-party hack that allows the Windows 10
tiled menu to be functionally hierarchical.

Windows on the outside is dumbed down and caters for the masses who
don't know the difference between a music file and a photo file, and
probably don't even know what a file is :-)


It is sad, we agree, that a lot of the crap that Microsoft ships is its
attempt to make files "findable" by the hoi polloi.

Take the desktop, with Linux you can have multiple desktops, each
configured how you want with individual settings. You could have one
desktop just for photo programs, one for all internet related, one for
desktop publishing, one for music and so on.


I didn't even know you can do that!

With windows 10 we have multiple desktops but you cannot configure them
individually like you can with Linux. Will win 10 eventually get the
versatile Linux way of doing desktops, maybe, maybe not.
MS Windows is like the infants Mega Bloks, to do anything really
serious you need to add the Lego Technic blocks to it.


Yup. With regard to the menu, there was never anything wrong with the
classic start menu. Microsoft, for whatever reason, abandoned what was
working just fine.

That's not so bad if the new menus had at least the same functionality,
but, apparently, they don't since the tiled menu doesn't have sufficient
hierarchy.

I suspect extremely few people use the tiled menu because I can't find a
lot of pictures of more than the default 5 groups, which is just crazy
because most people would have more than five types of software
functionality.
  #33  
Old March 21st 18, 12:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ragnusen Ultred
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 17
Default Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?

In article , mick wrote:

This Win10 start menu, with respect to hierarchy, is almost no better than
a mobile-device menu. Sigh.


It all started with Windows 8 when MS decided that a desktop pc needed
to look like a mobile device.


I can't disagree with you, mick, in that this downward slide in "start
menu" functionality started long ago, where I fault the clueless users who
haven't rebelled sufficiently to make Microsoft think twice.

Sure, Classic Shell is a solution, and I, like many, used it, but I'm
trying to wrestle Windows 10 into behaving, having been burned recently
rather badly.

It's all a repeat of the past, in a way, in that I used to try to keep the
"Start Programs" menu clean of pollution in the olden days, but every
time I installed anything, the "Start PRograms" menu was littered with
the selfish debris of useless readme, website, uninstller, etc. garbage.

The simple solution, so simple it's genius in fact, was to avoid anything
that Microsoft created that any app knew about and had the ability to
pollute. It's like having my own alley in NY City that nobody knows about,
hence they don't dump all their garbage there.

The good news, if there is any, of this Microsoft tiled start menu is that
it doesn't seem to be polluted by programs. Is that an accurate
observation?

Do programs NOT pollute this Win 10 tiled start menu?
(They sure seem to be avoiding it in my installations.)

How?
Why?

Since the urge of all programs is to pollute your start menu, how and why
does my Microsoft tiled start menu NOT get polluted every time I install
something?
  #34  
Old March 21st 18, 09:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mick
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 280
Default Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?

On 20/03/2018 23:59:30, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
In article , mick wrote:

The good news, if there is any, of this Microsoft tiled start menu is that
it doesn't seem to be polluted by programs. Is that an accurate
observation?


Yes.

Do programs NOT pollute this Win 10 tiled start menu?
(They sure seem to be avoiding it in my installations.)


Correct.

How?


Don't know.

Why?


Don't know.

Since the urge of all programs is to pollute your start menu, how and why
does my Microsoft tiled start menu NOT get polluted every time I install
something?


It's a glorified jump list, you have to pin them there.

--
mick
  #35  
Old March 21st 18, 09:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mick
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 280
Default Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?

On 20/03/2018 23:59:28, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
In article , mick wrote:


Take the desktop, with Linux you can have multiple desktops, each
configured how you want with individual settings. You could have one
desktop just for photo programs, one for all internet related, one for
desktop publishing, one for music and so on.


I didn't even know you can do that!


On KDE versions with Plasma.

--
mick
  #36  
Old March 22nd 18, 05:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Uultred ragnusen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 30
Default Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?

mick wrote:

I didn't even know you can do that!


On KDE versions with Plasma.


Oh, KDE. Plasma.

My main exposure to KDE was as a desktop replacement to Unity on Ubuntu.

Luckily, they finally went Gnome in Ubuntu 17.10, but KDE sure was
configurable.

No experience with Plasma though... seems to be a 'widget-based'
environment, according to the web site...
https://www.kde.org/plasma-desktop
  #37  
Old March 22nd 18, 05:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Uultred ragnusen
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 30
Default Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?

mick wrote:

Since the urge of all programs is to pollute your start menu, how and why
does my Microsoft tiled start menu NOT get polluted every time I install
something?


It's a glorified jump list, you have to pin them there.


Well, then at least Microsoft did that one thing right because I believe
the death of the cascaded Start Menu was the day the first program
installer figured out that it could pollute the users' menus with their
litter.

Given that every program polluted the Program menu, the result was and is
no different than the ridiculous alphabetical by brand name menu that
Windows 10 has, by default.

The good news is that, if the Windows 10 tiled menu can be made
hierarchical, it wouldn't be polluted by programs, which is the best news
of all.

That's one step in the right direction anyway, for a menu system, which is
that it must be entirely under the control of the user in that nothing goes
in it that the user doesn't put in it.
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off






All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 PCbanter.
The comments are property of their posters.