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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:33:47 -0500, kurttrail wrote: Leythos wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:13:07 -0500, kurttrail wrote: So it is not illegal by the present laws and legal precedents, and it is not even a valid violation claim of MS's present Win XP OEM EULA. You know full well what the discussion was about - nice trolling. Really Lamethos? Alias told the OP to buy OEM over the full version or the upgrade of XP, because they are cheaper. Then Yves bullsh*tted, "And just as illegal as Devils Own. OEM copies are not legal without hardware being purchased with it. 'Original Equipment Manufacturer'. Your best just buying a new copy out right." Had Alias stated that he was speaking for Spainish OEM's in the start it would never have got to Yves's comments. Again, whether it is Spain or the US, it is not illegal to use OEM software. Which is what Jason (my mistake) was saying. "And just as illegal as Devils Own." Then Alias replied to Yves that he is wrong at least as far as Spain goes. Again, Alias replied without stating (the first time) that he was talking about the Spanish version of the OEM rules and since he didn't know where the OP was it was just a much BS/FUD as everything you post. You are a moron, fool, and a scumbag! OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it. It is you and Yves that a full of BS/FUD! Then you replied that, "In the USA he's right, in Spain you're right - do you know what country the OP was in?" And I replied that you are both you and Yves are full of sh*t, and logically explained why it is not illegal in the US, nor is it even a violation of MS's OEM EULA. Illegal is open for discussion at several levels, I don't approve of your definition, but it's is against the licensing agreement to purchase OEM software of MS's in the USA without purchasing some hardware item at the same time. Wrong, it is against the OEM resellers agreement. MS's OEM EULA, doesn't make that distintion. And Alias NEVER said anything about buying software without the hardware! Then you replied to me by cutting out the conversation and most of my post, and tried to bullsh*t that I was just trolling, and not following the conversation. I like to cut out what I consider BS or not relevant - in the case of your posts, that just happens to be most of what you spew forth. LOL! At least I don't go around saying things are "illegal" when I can't show a law or legal precedent that backs up the assertion of illegality. You are just a fool that ain't proud enough to back up your opinion rationally, so you tried to divert from that by calling me a troll. Unfortunately for you, I am man enough to back up my words, and am proud enough to have my words archived for all time. You are a troll - you contribute nothing by hate and BS to this group, never a constructive bit of assistance to anyone, and you are always a smart-ass, snide, immature little brat in almost every conversation - sure looks like a troll to me. LOL! That's because you just see your reflection in your monitor! You should have just stayed quiet, and not replied at all, because every time you reply to me you just look more foolish and irrational. Yea, but I look better than you - and there's another difference, you don't contribute ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO ANY THREAD. Yes, I did, in my fist post in this thread, replying to Morituri-|-Max's post to the OP. "This is the best answer of the group. You can also use Win95 to qualify for the upgrade. Also, go for XP Pro Upgrade. XP Pro can't be repair installed with a XP Home CD. And you can't downgrade to XP Home without doing a clean install." Not only did I post in support of another's advice, but I added to it with some very construtive advise of my own. See, you are just full of sh*t, as is the norm for you. Again, you should just shut the f*#k up, cuz I'll always own you. Your irrational posts are just too easy to expose for the BS/FUD that they really are! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:00:53 -0500, kurttrail wrote: OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it. And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too, proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing! As quoted from the following site: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...%3A3951%3A3954 Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional. * This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end user support for the software. * includes 2-button mouse Notice it doesn't say anything about a motherboard. AHAHAHAHAHA! Alias |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:00:53 -0500, kurttrail wrote: OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it. And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too, proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing! As quoted from the following site: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...%3A3951%3A3954 Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional. * This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end user support for the software. * includes 2-button mouse Yes, I am aware of that. And it is not illegal as "Devils Own." There is nothing in the law or MS's End User License Agreement that makes using that OEM software without the mouse. Alias orginal post mentioned nothing about buying OEM software in any way that could be contrued as illegal, yet Jason replied that it was. He was wrong. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:00:53 -0500, kurttrail wrote: See, you are just full of sh*t, as is the norm for you. Again, you should just shut the f*#k up, cuz I'll always own you. Your irrational posts are just too easy to expose for the BS/FUD that they really are! It's almost fun to watch you turn completely immature. LOL! It is fun to watch you respond to my these statements, while ignoring the meat of the post. And that just goes to show what a real idiot you are. Instead of trying to back up your erroneous beliefs, you rather dwell in the nonsense. But nonsense is all you have, as your beliefs are totally irrational, and unsupportable. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:16:04 +0100, Alias wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:00:53 -0500, kurttrail wrote: OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it. And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too, proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing! As quoted from the following site: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...%3A3951%3A3954 Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional. * This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end user support for the software. * includes 2-button mouse Notice it doesn't say anything about a motherboard. AHAHAHAHAHA! Alias You only wish - as usual you only see part of the text - it fully says that you MUST COMPLY WITH THE SYSTEMS BUILDERS LICENSE - Guess what the Systems Builder Site states about OEM software and Motherboard? Oh, that's right, you won't visit the site because you have to REGISTER and you don't want to be proven wrong, so you claim that you won't register for some half-baked reason. It's right in the type Alias - you just have to read it. They even provide the link to the start of the SB website in their web-page! I knew you'd say that. I changed my MOBO yesterday and it got activated without a hitch, the web site you love notwithstanding. Alias |
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Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:16:04 +0100, Alias wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:00:53 -0500, kurttrail wrote: OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it. And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too, proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing! As quoted from the following site: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...%3A3951%3A3954 Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional. * This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end user support for the software. * includes 2-button mouse Notice it doesn't say anything about a motherboard. AHAHAHAHAHA! Alias You only wish - as usual you only see part of the text - it fully says that you MUST COMPLY WITH THE SYSTEMS BUILDERS LICENSE - Guess what the Systems Builder Site states about OEM software and Motherboard? Oh, that's right, you won't visit the site because you have to REGISTER and you don't want to be proven wrong, so you claim that you won't register for some half-baked reason. It's right in the type Alias - you just have to read it. They even provide the link to the start of the SB website in their web-page! MICROSOFT OEM SYSTEM BUILDER LICENSE (Visit www.microsoft.com/oem for additional OEM system builder information) 1. AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTION AND ACCEPTANCE. Distribution of individual software licenses or hardware units contained in this Microsoft System Builder Pack ("package") is not authorized unless you accept this license. You accept this license when you open this package. By accepting this license, you agree that you are a system builder. "System builder" means an original equipment manufacturer, or an assembler, reassembler, or installer of software on computer systems. If you choose not to accept this license, promptly return the unopened package to your distributor. Individual software licenses or hardware units cannot be returned after this package is opened. 2. PARTIES. This license is granted to you by Microsoft Licensing, GP ("MLGP"), a Nevada corporation, unless you are located in Europe, Africa, or the Middle East (for a complete list of countries, consult www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense), in which case this license is granted by Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited. ("MIOL"), an Irish company. The terms "we," "our," or "Microsoft" are used below to mean either MLGP or MIOL, as appropriate. 3. LIMITED LICENSE. This is a limited license to distribute the individual software licenses or hardware units contained in this package. "Individual software license" means any individual software license that comes in this package, including software media, documentation, certifi cates of authenticity, end-user license agreements, and security devices. "Hardware unit" means any hardware that comes in this package, including any hardwarerelated software and user documentation. 4. SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION. 4.1 If the individual software license is a desktop operating system (including Windows XP Media Center Edition), we grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute individual software licenses; provided that each one is distributed with either (a) a fully assembled computer system or (b) a nonperipheral computer hardware component. A "fully assembled computer system" means a computer system consisting of at least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power supply, and a case. A "nonperipheral computer hardware component" means a component that will be an integral part of the fully assembled computer system on which the individual software license will be installed. 4.2 If the individual software license is application or server software, we grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute individual software licenses; provided that each one is distributed with a fully assembled computer system. 4.3 Each individual software license must be distributed pursuant to the end-user license agreement ("EULA") that accompanies the individual software license. Under the terms of the EULA, you are the licensor. 5. HARDWARE DISTRIBUTION. If this package contains hardware units, we grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute each hardware unit only with either (a) a fully assembled computer system or (b) other non-Microsoft computer hardware component. If you distribute a hardware unit with a fully assembled computer system, you must preinstall the associated software drivers and programs supplied in this package, if any, on the fully assembled computer system's hard drive. Neither Microsoft, its affi liates, nor its distributors or suppliers makes any warranty regarding compliance of the hardware units with any federal, state, provincial, or local laws or regulations, or the laws or regulations of any non-U.S. jurisdiction, relating to computing devices or items sold to the public. You have the sole responsibility to assemble, test, and certify the hardware units in conjunction with other equipment that you manufacture, distribute, or sell. 6. DISTRIBUTION OTHER THAN WITH A FULLY ASSEMBLED COMPUTER SYSTEM. We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute individual software licenses for desktop operating systems or hardware units to another system builder if the software and hardware are distributed with a nonperipheral computer hardware component; provided that the other system builder accepts this license. A copy of this license is posted at www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense to facilitate its acceptance by the other system builder. You are required to keep records of any distributions pursuant to this section to show that its requirements were met. 7. PREINSTALLATION REQUIREMENT. If you distribute a desktop operating system with a fully assembled computer system, you must (a) preinstall it on the computer system's hard drive and (b) use the OEM Preinstallation Kit ("OPK") provided in this package, if any. Preinstallation is limited to one copy of each individual software license. You may not copy or modify the OPK or OPK instructions provided in this package, if any. You may not distribute the OPK or OPK instructions to an end user. For updates regarding OEM preinstallation tools and support, see www.microsoft.com/oem. If you distribute a hardware unit with a fully assembled computer system, you must preinstall the associated software drivers and programs supplied in this package, if any, on the fully assembled computer system's hard drive. 8. CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY (COA) LABEL/PROOF OF LICENSE (POL) LABEL. If the individual software license includes a COA or combination COA/POL label, the system builder who installs the individual software license must attach the COA or combination COA/POL label, as applicable, to the outside of the fully assembled computer system case in an easily accessible location. 9. END-USER SUPPORT. The system builder who installs the individual software license and distributes hardware units must provide end-user support on terms at least as favorable as the terms under which the system builder provides end-user support for any fully assembled computer system. The system builder must place its support phone number in a noticeable location in the fully assembled computer system help files or end-user documentation. 10. DISCLAIMER OF ALL WARRANTIES. Unless mandatory under applicable law despite this provision, Microsoft, its affi liates, and their distributors (and their suppliers) disclaim and exclude all warranties, conditions, and representations (express or implied, by statute or otherwise) in relation to the individual software licenses and hardware units, including, without limitation, warranties and conditions of title, merchantability, satisfactory quality, noninfringement, fitness for a particular purpose, or any implied warranty or condition arising from course of dealing or usage of trade. 11. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. You agree that Microsoft, its affi liates, and their distributors (and their suppliers) will not be liable for any damages (including any caused by negligence) related to this license or any transaction contemplated herein, including for any consequential, incidental, indirect, economic, or punitive damages even if Microsoft, its affi liates, distributors (or their suppliers) have been advised of the possibility of such damages. You acknowledge and agree that this limitation of liability shall apply even if any remedies fail of their essential purpose. Your and our total liability for direct damages related to this license or any transaction contemplated herein will be limited to 100% of the amount actually paid by you for this package. 12. TRADEMARK RIGHTS. You agree to comply with all trademark guidelines found at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/t...s/oemguide.asp. 13. EXPORT RESTRICTIONS. You acknowledge that the individual software licenses and hardware units are subject to U.S. export jurisdiction. You agree to comply with all applicable international and national laws that apply to the individual software licenses and hardware units, including the U.S. Export Administration Regulations, as well as end-user, end-use, and destination restrictions issued by the U.S. and other governments. For additional information, see www.microsoft.com/exporting. 14. LICENSE COMPLIANCE. You must not engage or participate with any third party in the unauthorized manufacture, duplication, delivery, transfer, or use of counterfeit, pirated, or illegal software and you must not otherwise infringe any of our other intellectual property rights. 15. ACTIVATION. Under the terms of the EULA, use of the individual software license will be limited to the first (a) 30 days after the end user launches Microsoft Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 software or (b) 50 times the end user launches Microsoft Offi ce software; unless either (i) the system builder activates the software in the manner described in its setup sequence or (ii) the end user activates the software in the manner described during its launch. You must provide the following or substantially similar notice in a clear and conspicuous manner to end users before their purchase of the software (for example, in advertisements, packaging, or point of purchase materials): Certain Microsoft® software product(s) included with this computer may use technological measures for copy protection. In such event, you will not be able to use the product if you do not fully comply with the product activation procedures. Product activation procedures and Microsoft's privacy policy will be detailed during initial launch of the product, or upon certain reinstallations of the software product(s) or reconfi gurations of this computer, and may be completed by Internet or telephone (toll charges may apply). 16. MISCELLANEOUS. 16.1 You must not advertise, provide a separate price for, or otherwise market or distribute individual software licenses, or any part of them, as separate items from the fully assembled computer system or nonperipheral computer component, as applicable; except to the extent necessary to advertise, set a price or fee, or otherwise market or distribute Microsoft software that you are expressly authorized by Microsoft to market or distribute as separate items from the fully assembled computer system or nonperipheral computer component, as applicable. Except as granted in this license, you may not use, run, distribute, copy, modify, display, repackage, or reassemble any individual software licenses or hardware units, or any part of them. 16.2 You are solely responsible for all applicable taxes, fees, duties, and tariffs that may be levied in connection with this license and the ordering and distributing of software and hardware under this license. 16.3 You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any individual software license or hardware unit except and only to the extent that it is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this provision. All rights not expressly granted are reserved. 16.4 If a court holds any provision of this license to be illegal, invalid, or unenforceable, the remaining provisions will remain in full force and effect and the parties will amend the agreement to give effect to the stricken clause to the maximum extent possible. 16.5 If the contracting party to this license is MLGP, the laws of the State of Washington, U.S.A. govern this license. If the contracting party to this license is MIOL, the laws of Ireland govern this license. 16.6 Nothing in this license restricts you from supporting, promoting, distributing, or using non-Microsoft software or hardware. 16.7 Microsoft may assign this license at any time to an affi liated company. 16.8 This license does not create a "technology transfer" agreement, as defi ned by applicable law because (a) the technology (including any software) made available under this license is not an integrated part of a technology chain for production or management purposes and (b) the technology (including any software) will have its own technology license. You will not hold yourself out as our technology recipient and will not attempt to identify us as a technology provider under this license. So you can see that even the System Builders License [SBL] doesn't mention that the motherboard can't be changed. MS uses post-SBL and post-EULA policies to spread that nonsense that the motherboard can't be upgraded. The ONLY mention of the "motherboard" in the SBL is that it is a PART of a "fully assembled computer." There is not mention of the "motherboard" in the EULA at all! SBL- 4.1 "If the individual software license is a desktop operating system (including Windows XP Media Center Edition), we grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute individual software licenses; provided that each one is distributed with either (a) a fully assembled computer system or (b) a nonperipheral computer hardware component. A 'fully assembled computer system' means a computer system consisting of at least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power supply, and a case. A 'nonperipheral computer hardware component' means a component that will be an integral part of the fully assembled computer system on which the individual software license will be installed." "Each individual software license must be distributed pursuant to the end-user license agreement ('EULA') that accompanies the individual software license. Under the terms of the EULA, you are the licensor." Under the terms of the SBL, the system builder is the licensor of OEM XP to the End User, so if I'm the System Builder of my own computer, I am both the licensor and the licensee of my OEM software, and as such, I am always following MY interpretation of the the EULA. And my post-EULA policies are that my End Users may upgrade their motherboard at any time they want to! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:31:01 +0100, Alias wrote: It's right in the type Alias - you just have to read it. They even provide the link to the start of the SB website in their web-page! I knew you'd say that. I changed my MOBO yesterday and it got activated without a hitch, the web site you love notwithstanding. Alias, I've never claimed that Activation is perfect, never claimed that MS won't allow re-activation of OEM installs, never claimed that you can't do the 120 Day wait and re-activate. I've never said that OEM stops anything from being re-done. And you completely ignored that your statement doesn't have a pile of beans to do with OEM Licensing - especially since you wont even read the SB site to see what OEM licensing is. I did, and I'm not afraid to actually quote the whole thing, like you are, because no where in the SBL or the EULA does either license say that the System Builder or the End User can't upgrade the motherboard on a computer running OEM XP. MS's Post-SBL and Post-EULA policies are nothing but wishful thinking! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:21:20 -0500, kurttrail wrote: And that just goes to show what a real idiot you are. Instead of trying to back up your erroneous beliefs, you rather dwell in the nonsense. Since there is almost never a post I read from you where you are not snide to the person you are disagreeing with, I personally don't see much need in holding a proper conversation with you, you're really just a toy to play with. Which is just your excuse for not backing up your irrational opinions. If you were to hold a conversation without being rude or snotty I would change my method of communicating with you, but as I don't hold any respect for a snotty, whiney, foul-mouthed, little kid, I don't see the point in forming any type of meaningful conversation with you. Because you can't. You are irrational. And I expose it every time. Change your attitude and stop using foul comments and changing people's nicks to show your immaturity and I'll be happy converse with you - here or in email, but I wont' chat, in a proper manner, with a trolling, immature, whiner, foul-mouthed little brat. LOL! Run Away! Run Away from you own irrationality! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:16:04 +0100, Alias wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:00:53 -0500, kurttrail wrote: OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it. And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too, proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing! As quoted from the following site: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...%3A3951%3A3954 Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional. * This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end user support for the software. * includes 2-button mouse Notice it doesn't say anything about a motherboard. AHAHAHAHAHA! Alias You only wish - as usual you only see part of the text - it fully says that you MUST COMPLY WITH THE SYSTEMS BUILDERS LICENSE - Guess what the Systems Builder Site states about OEM software and Motherboard? Oh, that's right, you won't visit the site because you have to REGISTER and you don't want to be proven wrong, so you claim that you won't register for some half-baked reason. It's right in the type Alias - you just have to read it. They even provide the link to the start of the SB website in their web-page! I knew you'd say that. I changed my MOBO yesterday and it got activated without a hitch, the web site you love notwithstanding. Alias Lamethos is just lying when it comes to the SBL anyway Alias. No where in it does it say you the System Builder, or you the End User cannot replace your motherboard. Lamethos uses MS's post-SBL and post-EULA non-binding policies to rip off his customers by selling more copies of software than his End Users really need. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"kurttrail" wrote in message ... Alias wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:16:04 +0100, Alias wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:00:53 -0500, kurttrail wrote: OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it. And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too, proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing! As quoted from the following site: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...%3A3951%3A3954 Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional. * This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end user support for the software. * includes 2-button mouse Notice it doesn't say anything about a motherboard. AHAHAHAHAHA! Alias You only wish - as usual you only see part of the text - it fully says that you MUST COMPLY WITH THE SYSTEMS BUILDERS LICENSE - Guess what the Systems Builder Site states about OEM software and Motherboard? Oh, that's right, you won't visit the site because you have to REGISTER and you don't want to be proven wrong, so you claim that you won't register for some half-baked reason. It's right in the type Alias - you just have to read it. They even provide the link to the start of the SB website in their web-page! I knew you'd say that. I changed my MOBO yesterday and it got activated without a hitch, the web site you love notwithstanding. Alias Lamethos is just lying when it comes to the SBL anyway Alias. No where in it does it say you the System Builder, or you the End User cannot replace your motherboard. Lamethos uses MS's post-SBL and post-EULA non-binding policies to rip off his customers by selling more copies of software than his End Users really need. -- Peace! Kurt Leythos has to have the last word (must be an immature ego thing). I gave it to him because I know he's wrong. You know he's wrong. MS knows he's wrong and I am sure all the good people who read this ng know he's wrong. Alias |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:48:21 -0500, kurttrail wrote: [snipped the Licensing information, since we agree with it being valid] No I didn't. I agreed that that is what it is. The validity of it is something that MS must prove in a Court of Law. So you can see that even the System Builders License [SBL] doesn't mention that the motherboard can't be changed. MS uses post-SBL and post-EULA policies to spread that nonsense that the motherboard can't be upgraded. As I see it, the Systems Builder agreement is between the OEM and MS, And it says nothing about nothing about the motherboard can't be changed. and the OEM is bound by rules that include the EULA, the Builders Agreement, and any addendum to the agreement they want. I also believe it's within their "right" to clarify sections of the agreement at any time. After the fact of the SBL acceptance? After the fact of the sale? Without notifying the other party in a direct communication? LOL! A contract can't be renegotiated unless both parties agree. MS can't just add contractual terms after the fact of the contract any time it wants. MS is not a law unto itself! Thanks for posting in a reasonable manner this time - I would rather have a conversation with you than a battle. F*#K YOU! You aren't man enough to acknowledge the fact of reality, that neither the SBL nor the EULA doesn't mention at all anything about invalidating the license of OEM XP when the motherboard is changed. You just keep up the MicroFUD! And that's why I don't treat you with any respect! Because you don't deserve any. People like you that willingly accept and spread BS, FUD and misinformation only deserve to be treated like the little sycophantic sh*ts that you really are! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:04:02 -0500, kurttrail wrote: Alias wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 16:16:04 +0100, Alias wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message news On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:00:53 -0500, kurttrail wrote: OEM software is legally sold in Wal-Mart and you know it. And you have missed the point - WalMart packages it with a MS Mouse too, proving that OEM purchases in the US require a hardware purchase in order to comply with the MS agreement. Heck, they even say that the PURCHASER is required to comply with the Systems Builders Licensing! As quoted from the following site: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...%3A3951%3A3954 Microsoft XP Pro IS designed for businesses of any size and individuals upgrading from Windows 98 SE, Me, NT 4.0 or 2000 Professional. * This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. * The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all end user support for the software. * includes 2-button mouse Notice it doesn't say anything about a motherboard. AHAHAHAHAHA! Alias You only wish - as usual you only see part of the text - it fully says that you MUST COMPLY WITH THE SYSTEMS BUILDERS LICENSE - Guess what the Systems Builder Site states about OEM software and Motherboard? Oh, that's right, you won't visit the site because you have to REGISTER and you don't want to be proven wrong, so you claim that you won't register for some half-baked reason. It's right in the type Alias - you just have to read it. They even provide the link to the start of the SB website in their web-page! I knew you'd say that. I changed my MOBO yesterday and it got activated without a hitch, the web site you love notwithstanding. Alias Lamethos is just lying when it comes to the SBL anyway Alias. No where in it does it say you the System Builder, or you the End User cannot replace your motherboard. Lamethos uses MS's post-SBL and post-EULA non-binding policies to rip off his customers by selling more copies of software than his End Users really need. And just when I though you were going to be able to have proper conversations you turn all immature and childish again. This is really very telling about your character Kurt. There is a difference between being wrong, being mistaken, being right, and being immature/childish. And being a liar like you! You've not proven anything about the OEM licensing, at least not from what I read on the MS site concerning it - it's very clear. As always, if you don't like the licensing you don't have to use the product. I have posted the entire SBL to this group, which you have avoided like a plague, because you know that nothing in it says anything about that the motherboard can't be changed. That is the only thing that is clear. The POST-SBL Dreams of MS are not contractually binding at all, since no one ever agreed to abide with it. You are just a sycophant that uses the post-SBL nonsense to get your customers to buy more software than they legally need to buy! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:31:13 -0500, kurttrail wrote: You are just a sycophant I see you are back to being your trollish self. It's really to bad, I almost thought you were actually human, but I can see that you're not. And you have proven that you are just a sycophant, as you are unwilling to admit the the SBL and the EULA do not mention anything about a motherboard can't be changed under the terms of either of those licenses! You have chosen to reply only to my style, rather than the substance of what I was saying, in order to avoid backing up your own obvious misinformation. As Alias said, you are just trying to get the last word, because of your mistaken impression that the last post wins. Any rational human being can see that I'm right about the SBL and the EULA, and that you are nothing but a sycophant. I sorry that being called a sycophant hurts you, but the truth does hurt. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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As Alias said, you are just trying to get the last word, because of your
mistaken impression that the last post wins. You miserable f#&*ng hypocrite! -- LB |
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