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In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question
comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) As far as specific numbers, no one will know exactly until the final W10 is released. And, of course, it will depend on which one you get. But! Ask yourself this: When has a new Windows release's footprint ever been SMALLER than the previous release? Stef |
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Stef wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote: In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) As far as specific numbers, no one will know exactly until the final W10 is released. And, of course, it will depend on which one you get. But! Ask yourself this: When has a new Windows release's footprint ever been SMALLER than the previous release? Stef Plus, of course, the replaced OS will be stored on your hard drive; some folder such as Old-Windows. Ed |
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On 03-Jun-2015 12:52, Ed Cryer wrote:
Stef wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) As far as specific numbers, no one will know exactly until the final W10 is released. And, of course, it will depend on which one you get. But! Ask yourself this: When has a new Windows release's footprint ever been SMALLER than the previous release? Stef Plus, of course, the replaced OS will be stored on your hard drive; some folder such as Old-Windows. Ed http://betanews.com/2015/06/03/micro...ter-upgrading/ |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Stef wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) As far as specific numbers, no one will know exactly until the final W10 is released. And, of course, it will depend on which one you get. But! Ask yourself this: When has a new Windows release's footprint ever been SMALLER than the previous release? Stef Plus, of course, the replaced OS will be stored on your hard drive; some folder such as Old-Windows. Ed Yes, Windows.old takes space. So all you need, is a reliable number for the Win10 Preview size of C:, as an estimator of the additional space. After you run Disk Cleanup and remove Windows.old from there, you'll get that space back (from the old OS), and C: will actually have less Microsoft content on it than previously. But the "peak" will be the additional size required by Win10 C:\Windows folder. My Windows 7 C: partition is 40GB, used is 26GB, leaving 14GB, a tight fit if the Win10 Windows folder is 13GB. YMMV. If the install finished, some portion of that 26GB would get deleted during Disk Cleanup. There is an incentive now, to keep Win10 size down. To make it smaller than Windows 8. And that reason is "market capture for tablets and smartphones and mobile devices". The idea is to continue to use 32GB Flash for those devices. Can't pork out the install too much, or it won't fit. If you make Windows 10 low-end devices more expensive than a Chromebook to build, it makes Microsoft less competitive when crushing the Chromebook. Paul |
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Stef wrote on 6/3/2015 11:56 AM:
Keith Nuttle wrote: In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) As far as specific numbers, no one will know exactly until the final W10 is released. And, of course, it will depend on which one you get. But! Ask yourself this: When has a new Windows release's footprint ever been SMALLER than the previous release? Stef My clean install of the Preview 10122 (+/-) was only 13G. With a few,few, programs. Can't say if that is smaller than my virgin 8.1 with pgms or not. |
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Big_Al wrote:
Stef wrote on 6/3/2015 11:56 AM: Keith Nuttle wrote: In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) As far as specific numbers, no one will know exactly until the final W10 is released. And, of course, it will depend on which one you get. But! Ask yourself this: When has a new Windows release's footprint ever been SMALLER than the previous release? Stef My clean install of the Preview 10122 (+/-) was only 13G. With a few,few, programs. Can't say if that is smaller than my virgin 8.1 with pgms or not. We'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully, W10 will only be marginally larger than 8 or 8.1, since it's mostly the same code, and NOT like Vista was to XP. However, I consider 13GB still pretty large, but then I'm spoiled. With Linux I'm used to half that including all the applications. Windows has always had big feet. ;-) Stef |
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Stef wrote:
Big_Al wrote: Stef wrote on 6/3/2015 11:56 AM: Keith Nuttle wrote: In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) As far as specific numbers, no one will know exactly until the final W10 is released. And, of course, it will depend on which one you get. But! Ask yourself this: When has a new Windows release's footprint ever been SMALLER than the previous release? Stef My clean install of the Preview 10122 (+/-) was only 13G. With a few,few, programs. Can't say if that is smaller than my virgin 8.1 with pgms or not. We'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully, W10 will only be marginally larger than 8 or 8.1, since it's mostly the same code, and NOT like Vista was to XP. However, I consider 13GB still pretty large, but then I'm spoiled. With Linux I'm used to half that including all the applications. Windows has always had big feet. ;-) Stef On a tablet, a different scheme is used. Tablets now use WIM-boot. The install.wim stays compressed, and is decompressed on demand. Deltas to the read-only install.wim are stored in a persistent file system. This should sound familiar to you. And you know what inspired such a scheme and "who did it first". In that case, the cost of the install is 3.5GB, the same size as the installation DVD in fact. After the OS has been running for a year, naturally it's grown a bit. You can't deliver a couple hundred patches in a year, without storage space for them. Those would sit in the persistent store. I would "like to be a fly on the wall", to see how they're going to upgrade a WIM-boot :-) Should be fun. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Stef wrote: Big_Al wrote: Stef wrote on 6/3/2015 11:56 AM: Keith Nuttle wrote: In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) As far as specific numbers, no one will know exactly until the final W10 is released. And, of course, it will depend on which one you get. But! Ask yourself this: When has a new Windows release's footprint ever been SMALLER than the previous release? Stef My clean install of the Preview 10122 (+/-) was only 13G. With a few,few, programs. Can't say if that is smaller than my virgin 8.1 with pgms or not. We'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully, W10 will only be marginally larger than 8 or 8.1, since it's mostly the same code, and NOT like Vista was to XP. However, I consider 13GB still pretty large, but then I'm spoiled. With Linux I'm used to half that including all the applications. Windows has always had big feet. ;-) Stef On a tablet, a different scheme is used. Tablets now use WIM-boot. The install.wim stays compressed, and is decompressed on demand. Deltas to the read-only install.wim are stored in a persistent file system. This should sound familiar to you. And you know what inspired such a scheme and "who did it first". In that case, the cost of the install is 3.5GB, the same size as the installation DVD in fact. Still parts need to be uncompressed into RAM to run. Compressed OSes is not new. But MS has lots of experience running big OSes on low RAM systems. After the OS has been running for a year, naturally it's grown a bit. You can't deliver a couple hundred patches in a year, without storage space for them. Those would sit in the persistent store. And the resulting increase in boot times and gradual performance hits. I would "like to be a fly on the wall", to see how they're going to upgrade a WIM-boot :-) Should be fun. Probably create a new WIM-boot file as part of the update procedure. Similar to what Linux does with initrd or initramfs when an update/upgrade requires it. I see this on my Linux system usually when a kernel load module gets updated. Totally transparent to the user. Stef |
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In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. I have 2 dedicated ssd in my desktop for win 8.1 and win 10 Today I did a full clean install of the latest win 10 evaluation version 10130 and my programs. The size of the installation is no different than 8.1. It may even be slightly smaller. HS |
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In message , Keith Nuttle
writes What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) Isn't that a Wimboot device like my Linx? I assume the machine manufacturer will have to build a new Win10 OS for it, rather than you being able to juggle all the compressed and uncompressed bits to create the upgrade. -- Bill |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
In reviewing the need to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8.1, the question comes up about the size of the Windows 10 installation on an existing 8.1 install? Will Windows 10, increase the size of the OS install appreciably. What about a tablet will a Windows 10 install increase the size of the OS install on a tablet? (HP Stream 7 32 gb) Clean or compared to full updated Win7 or Windows 8.1 system ? - it makes a difference Choose the answers you receive wisely. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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