FIOS or win10 changes.

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:24:23 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 16 Nov 2019 07:20:08 -0500, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:56:37 -0600, Rene
Lamontagne wrote:

On 2019-11-13 11:22 a.m., micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 Nov 2019 03:38:30 -0500, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:

I finally got FIOS today, and by coincidence, or not, there have been
several windows 10 changes just afterwards.

Another problem
10), probably related to 7) above is that when I right click on the
blank desktop, no menu comes up. Nothing happens.
I installed 1909 from a DVD (in a VM), then installed Open Shell,
and no problems noted.

Some of your issues sound a lot like "Tablet Mode".
And Tablet Mode auto-switches by default, but, the
software needs to see critical hardware items such as
a touchscreen.

Is this machine touchscreen enabled ?
Well the machine might?? be, but I have no touchscreen.
There should be a setting to disable Tablet Mode,
and while Settings wheel is running, you can type
Tablet Mode into the search.

Paul
Okay, I did that and then I set it to Use Desktop Mode, instead of Use
the appropriate mode for my hardware. We'll see what happens on
restart.

BTW, I'm in safe mode now and, except for the notifications problem,
which I solved earlier, all the problems are still here. I'll go over
this point by point when I get back to regular mode.

YOU WERE RIGHT. THAT SOLVED IT! Thank you so much.

What would I have done without you. What do other people do who don't
know about Usenet? I googled many of the symptoms and found nothing.

And why is MS changing my mode a) for no good reason, b) without telling
me? If mode is subject to change, why isn't it displayed prominently
all the time? I guess it mistakenly thought it had tablet-style
hardware. That's bad too.

Everything works again. To set up the win7 computer, I'd have to clean
the pile of papers from next to the spare computer, remove and wipe its
hard drive, install 7, and reinstall or copy over everything. I wasn't
looking forward to that.

I have a tendency to jump to conclusions based on
thin evidence.

Some of your symptoms match the behavior of Tablet Mode,
and it's easier to postulate Tablet Mode doing it, than
cook up some much longer explanation that isn't likely
to pan out. You have way too many symptoms for a simple
"single subsystem failure". You had a three-ring-circus
of failures.

Paul

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 11/15/19 12:47 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

Asymmetric broadband makes little
sense nowadays.

I don't know why it's asymmetric. Can you or some else here shed some
light on it?

Could it have something to do with cable being originally designed for
one-to-many communication?


It's spectral planning.

The "bucket" system of dialup modems, is very flexible. If
a cable had a loading coil, and say as a symptom, a single
frequency was "impeded", the system of buckets on dialup
modems allows the other frequencies to carry a message.
If there is a "frequency notch" in the cable, dialup modems
can work around that. (The dialup modem also had a command,
after a session finished, so you could check the bucket amplitudes
and see a bucket that was impeded.)

It's the same with ADSL. It has a lot more frequency buckets
than a dialup modem. And it seems the later standards allow
different partitions between upstream and downstream buckets.

In principle, they could also knock holes ("not emit")
in frequencies used by ham radio operators. In the same
way that HomePlug claims to notch certain bands, so
that ham radio operators can still use the lower frequencies.

The articles on ADSL and VDSL and VDSL2 in Wikipedia, will
have more information.

ADSL was designed to co-exist with POTS, and that's why the
no-truck-roll version (nobody comes to the house to install it),
provides filter plugs so the phone signal will be "clean". The
phone was never designed for out-of-band signals, which is
why a filter helps if ADSL is on the line too. The ADSL
itself, ignores 8KHz down to DC, as not a band it will
be using. And there is a frequency gap between the passband
for voice and the lowest part of ADSL, to make filter design
less demanding and allow the filters to be cheaper.

When I got ADSL2 here, someone came to the house and installed
a "whole-house filter". It turned out to be a plastic assembly,
about 1.5" x 3", to filter the 8KHz range for the phones. The
phones go on one plug hole, the ADSL on the other. The module
could easily have had screw terminals, and allowed a home
installation by the user, but it's not like the phone company
to miss an opportunity to pretend they're providing a service.

Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:35:45 -0500, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:24:23 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 16 Nov 2019 07:20:08 -0500, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 Nov 2019 11:56:37 -0600, Rene
Lamontagne wrote:

On 2019-11-13 11:22 a.m., micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 13 Nov 2019 03:38:30 -0500, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:

I finally got FIOS today, and by coincidence, or not, there have been
several windows 10 changes just afterwards.

Another problem
10), probably related to 7) above is that when I right click on the
blank desktop, no menu comes up. Nothing happens.
I installed 1909 from a DVD (in a VM), then installed Open Shell,
and no problems noted.

Some of your issues sound a lot like "Tablet Mode".
And Tablet Mode auto-switches by default, but, the
software needs to see critical hardware items such as
a touchscreen.

Is this machine touchscreen enabled ?
Well the machine might?? be, but I have no touchscreen.
There should be a setting to disable Tablet Mode,
and while Settings wheel is running, you can type
Tablet Mode into the search.

Paul
Okay, I did that and then I set it to Use Desktop Mode, instead of Use
the appropriate mode for my hardware. We'll see what happens on
restart.

BTW, I'm in safe mode now and, except for the notifications problem,
which I solved earlier, all the problems are still here. I'll go over
this point by point when I get back to regular mode.

YOU WERE RIGHT. THAT SOLVED IT! Thank you so much.

What would I have done without you. What do other people do who don't
know about Usenet? I googled many of the symptoms and found nothing.

And why is MS changing my mode a) for no good reason, b) without telling
me? If mode is subject to change, why isn't it displayed prominently
all the time? I guess it mistakenly thought it had tablet-style
hardware. That's bad too.

Everything works again. To set up the win7 computer, I'd have to clean
the pile of papers from next to the spare computer, remove and wipe its
hard drive, install 7, and reinstall or copy over everything. I wasn't
looking forward to that.

I have a tendency to jump to conclusions based on
thin evidence.

Some of your symptoms match the behavior of Tablet Mode,
and it's easier to postulate Tablet Mode doing it, than
cook up some much longer explanation that isn't likely
to pan out. You have way too many symptoms for a simple
"single subsystem failure". You had a three-ring-circus
of failures.

Paul

I thought about it being one cause, but I had no idea what. I didn't
even know there was a tablet mode.