Win7 support:

Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

If I use my backup drive and remove all
drives in the 780 then do a restore then
all should be back to normal? I would
rather do that then knock ourselves out
doing this.

What do I do with the other drives now?
Is there a way to clear them? format? and
reuse them?

Thoughts/Suggestions?

Robert
Yes, you can do the usual restore.

Put your normal drive in the 780, use
your backup drive with the .mrimg and
restore a good copy. The activation should
be fine after that.

You can format the Win10 drive if you want.

As long as you don't boot the Win10 drive,
but leave the Win10 drive connected and
operate on it from Win7, you should be able
to use Disk Management to delete the partitions,
create a new large partition and format it.

And that should be the end of it.

Paul



Just so I don't mess thing p again....

Should I first tick both HD's again or verify that I
did so just so I don;t have to go through this
ticking/un-ticking nightmare with the other HD.

Then remove both HD's and replace with my backup HD

Then using Macrium I retore the drive with the latest Mrimg

Would it be possible to restore the Win7 drive
that has the problem with a Mrimg now or is the
version of Macrium not up to it and I have to use
my backup HD ?

Robert

You can restore using a Macrium CD.

That's if the version is modern enough for the
MRIMG you're working with.

What I took to doing, is putting the release number
of the Macrium *making* the backup, into the file
name. SO if version 6.3.1985 made the backup,
then backup-main-drive-Jul31-2019-631985 would
be the file name. Later, I would look at the digits
on the end, to figure out what release would suffice
for restore.

And I don't think I've seen any "visible" information
coming from the tools, to tell me what version to use.
I might try it, and get an error message or something,
and that would sort of hint at it.

I think I have a Macrium 7 CD around here somewhere,
which should always be ready for the job.

Paul

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:58:37 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

If I use my backup drive and remove all
drives in the 780 then do a restore then
all should be back to normal? I would
rather do that then knock ourselves out
doing this.

What do I do with the other drives now?
Is there a way to clear them? format? and
reuse them?

Thoughts/Suggestions?

Robert
Yes, you can do the usual restore.

Put your normal drive in the 780, use
your backup drive with the .mrimg and
restore a good copy. The activation should
be fine after that.

You can format the Win10 drive if you want.

As long as you don't boot the Win10 drive,
but leave the Win10 drive connected and
operate on it from Win7, you should be able
to use Disk Management to delete the partitions,
create a new large partition and format it.

And that should be the end of it.

Paul



Just so I don't mess thing p again....

Should I first tick both HD's again or verify that I
did so just so I don;t have to go through this
ticking/un-ticking nightmare with the other HD.

Then remove both HD's and replace with my backup HD

Then using Macrium I retore the drive with the latest Mrimg

Would it be possible to restore the Win7 drive
that has the problem with a Mrimg now or is the
version of Macrium not up to it and I have to use
my backup HD ?

Robert

You can restore using a Macrium CD.

That's if the version is modern enough for the
MRIMG you're working with.

What I took to doing, is putting the release number
of the Macrium *making* the backup, into the file
name. SO if version 6.3.1985 made the backup,
then backup-main-drive-Jul31-2019-631985 would
be the file name. Later, I would look at the digits
on the end, to figure out what release would suffice
for restore.

And I don't think I've seen any "visible" information
coming from the tools, to tell me what version to use.
I might try it, and get an error message or something,
and that would sort of hint at it.

I think I have a Macrium 7 CD around here somewhere,
which should always be ready for the job.

Paul


I just ran into another problem, I don't have a
rescue CD for the 780 only the 8500

I tried it anyway but the 780 doesn't recognize
it at all. So I guess the only other option is
to install the backup HD and do a Mrimg to bring
it up to date.

Unless you have a way that I can create a rescue
disk for the 780 or to read the 8500 rescue CD?

Thanks,
Robert

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:58:37 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

If I use my backup drive and remove all
drives in the 780 then do a restore then
all should be back to normal? I would
rather do that then knock ourselves out
doing this.

What do I do with the other drives now?
Is there a way to clear them? format? and
reuse them?

Thoughts/Suggestions?

Robert
Yes, you can do the usual restore.

Put your normal drive in the 780, use
your backup drive with the .mrimg and
restore a good copy. The activation should
be fine after that.

You can format the Win10 drive if you want.

As long as you don't boot the Win10 drive,
but leave the Win10 drive connected and
operate on it from Win7, you should be able
to use Disk Management to delete the partitions,
create a new large partition and format it.

And that should be the end of it.

Paul



Just so I don't mess thing p again....

Should I first tick both HD's again or verify that I
did so just so I don;t have to go through this
ticking/un-ticking nightmare with the other HD.

Then remove both HD's and replace with my backup HD

Then using Macrium I retore the drive with the latest Mrimg

Would it be possible to restore the Win7 drive
that has the problem with a Mrimg now or is the
version of Macrium not up to it and I have to use
my backup HD ?

Robert

You can restore using a Macrium CD.

That's if the version is modern enough for the
MRIMG you're working with.

What I took to doing, is putting the release number
of the Macrium *making* the backup, into the file
name. SO if version 6.3.1985 made the backup,
then backup-main-drive-Jul31-2019-631985 would
be the file name. Later, I would look at the digits
on the end, to figure out what release would suffice
for restore.

And I don't think I've seen any "visible" information
coming from the tools, to tell me what version to use.
I might try it, and get an error message or something,
and that would sort of hint at it.

I think I have a Macrium 7 CD around here somewhere,
which should always be ready for the job.

Paul



It seems to me that whoever did the refurbishing
job on the 780 should have put a warning that by
un-ticking the HD you will loose your Genuine Win 7
it shouldn't of happened but it did that's a serious
flaw that should be noted somewhere.

I still have my license key but the instructions
aren't working. If I can do a Mrimg instead I
would rather do that. That was the whole point of
the backup system so I wouldn't have to go through
all this but seems its failed me as far as the rescue
disk for the 780 and trying to restore the present
HD. I don't understand why the 780 didnn't even try
to load the CD

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 5:23:37 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:58:37 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

If I use my backup drive and remove all
drives in the 780 then do a restore then
all should be back to normal? I would
rather do that then knock ourselves out
doing this.

What do I do with the other drives now?
Is there a way to clear them? format? and
reuse them?

Thoughts/Suggestions?

Robert
Yes, you can do the usual restore.

Put your normal drive in the 780, use
your backup drive with the .mrimg and
restore a good copy. The activation should
be fine after that.

You can format the Win10 drive if you want.

As long as you don't boot the Win10 drive,
but leave the Win10 drive connected and
operate on it from Win7, you should be able
to use Disk Management to delete the partitions,
create a new large partition and format it.

And that should be the end of it.

Paul



Just so I don't mess thing p again....

Should I first tick both HD's again or verify that I
did so just so I don;t have to go through this
ticking/un-ticking nightmare with the other HD.

Then remove both HD's and replace with my backup HD

Then using Macrium I retore the drive with the latest Mrimg

Would it be possible to restore the Win7 drive
that has the problem with a Mrimg now or is the
version of Macrium not up to it and I have to use
my backup HD ?

Robert

You can restore using a Macrium CD.

That's if the version is modern enough for the
MRIMG you're working with.

What I took to doing, is putting the release number
of the Macrium *making* the backup, into the file
name. SO if version 6.3.1985 made the backup,
then backup-main-drive-Jul31-2019-631985 would
be the file name. Later, I would look at the digits
on the end, to figure out what release would suffice
for restore.

And I don't think I've seen any "visible" information
coming from the tools, to tell me what version to use.
I might try it, and get an error message or something,
and that would sort of hint at it.

I think I have a Macrium 7 CD around here somewhere,
which should always be ready for the job.

Paul



It seems to me that whoever did the refurbishing
job on the 780 should have put a warning that by
un-ticking the HD you will loose your Genuine Win 7
it shouldn't of happened but it did that's a serious
flaw that should be noted somewhere.

I still have my license key but the instructions
aren't working. If I can do a Mrimg instead I
would rather do that. That was the whole point of
the backup system so I wouldn't have to go through
all this but seems its failed me as far as the rescue
disk for the 780 and trying to restore the present
HD. I don't understand why the 780 didnn't even try
to load the CD

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 5:23:37 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:58:37 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:03:39 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

If I use my backup drive and remove all
drives in the 780 then do a restore then
all should be back to normal? I would
rather do that then knock ourselves out
doing this.

What do I do with the other drives now?
Is there a way to clear them? format? and
reuse them?

Thoughts/Suggestions?

Robert
Yes, you can do the usual restore.

Put your normal drive in the 780, use
your backup drive with the .mrimg and
restore a good copy. The activation should
be fine after that.

You can format the Win10 drive if you want.

As long as you don't boot the Win10 drive,
but leave the Win10 drive connected and
operate on it from Win7, you should be able
to use Disk Management to delete the partitions,
create a new large partition and format it.

And that should be the end of it.

Paul



Just so I don't mess thing p again....

Should I first tick both HD's again or verify that I
did so just so I don;t have to go through this
ticking/un-ticking nightmare with the other HD.

Then remove both HD's and replace with my backup HD

Then using Macrium I retore the drive with the latest Mrimg

Would it be possible to restore the Win7 drive
that has the problem with a Mrimg now or is the
version of Macrium not up to it and I have to use
my backup HD ?

Robert

You can restore using a Macrium CD.

That's if the version is modern enough for the
MRIMG you're working with.

What I took to doing, is putting the release number
of the Macrium *making* the backup, into the file
name. SO if version 6.3.1985 made the backup,
then backup-main-drive-Jul31-2019-631985 would
be the file name. Later, I would look at the digits
on the end, to figure out what release would suffice
for restore.

And I don't think I've seen any "visible" information
coming from the tools, to tell me what version to use.
I might try it, and get an error message or something,
and that would sort of hint at it.

I think I have a Macrium 7 CD around here somewhere,
which should always be ready for the job.

Paul



It seems to me that whoever did the refurbishing
job on the 780 should have put a warning that by
un-ticking the HD you will loose your Genuine Win 7
it shouldn't of happened but it did that's a serious
flaw that should be noted somewhere.

I still have my license key but the instructions
aren't working. If I can do a Mrimg instead I
would rather do that. That was the whole point of
the backup system so I wouldn't have to go through
all this but seems its failed me as far as the rescue
disk for the 780 and trying to restore the present
HD. I don't understand why the 780 didnn't even try
to load the CD

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:


Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert

The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert

The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert

The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2
[]
And I think some BIOSes have a "remember for now but don't save" option
- i. e. you can change the boot order for the present session, but it'll
revert after next shutdown. (Such BIOSes do have a "remember changes" i.
e. "save" option as well.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Santa's elves are just a bunch of subordinate Clauses.

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul



I removed both HD's and put in the backup HD but it
will not restore. Ironically it detected the missing
drive. My 780 is royally screwed up with 1 drive all
messed up, 1 drive with Win10 which I can't use unless
I use it as a primary drive because the 780 doesn't give
the option of choosing OS's (which started all this)
and it doesn't recognize the CD player and just now
the screen went black for several seconds for no reason.

https://postimg.cc/XrvCLcJY

https://postimg.cc/GHmFg1gR

https://postimg.cc/pp3mQNgq

https://postimg.cc/DmZ0tyhx

This is getting worst not better. All because of un-ticking
one item! Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

Robert

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul

Nevertheless it should detect a second HD without
intervention and should also read my CD's.

Robert

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 11:25:17 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul

Nevertheless it should detect a second HD without
intervention and should also read my CD's.

Robert



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 11:25:17 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul

Nevertheless it should detect a second HD without
intervention and should also read my CD's.

Robert



This is what I see when I logon

https://postimg.cc/ZCjCgBBs

Robert

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 11:35:01 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 11:25:17 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul

Nevertheless it should detect a second HD without
intervention and should also read my CD's.

Robert



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 11:25:17 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul

Nevertheless it should detect a second HD without
intervention and should also read my CD's.

Robert



This is what I see when I logon

https://postimg.cc/ZCjCgBBs

Robert



I have my Win 7 desktop again and I removed
the data cable for the second HD thinking
thats why it keeps giving me the F1 startup
error but it still came back.

I ran updates on the 780 and it wanted to restart
so I did and it just hung there , then went into
Chkdsk on its own again@! It finished but was just
hanging again with the Starting Windows logo for a
minute or more.

How do I remove the F1 at startup? This time I
tried Macrium restore listed at startup but
apparently this was to wipe out all data/info
and would require my license key so I quit the
application. I don't understand why the Mrimg
isn't working or anything else?

This sure has become a real pain in the ass where
there was no problem whatsoever before.


Robert

On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 1:07:55 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul



On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 10:03:12 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Also, it still begs the question of why the 780 didn't
recognize the second drive and still doesn't. That's what
started all of this.

I wanted to run the 780 with Win7 on one HD and Win10 on
another and seemed simple enough and we've ended up with
this mess because for some reason the 780 doesn't recognize
the second HD and now the floppy drive.

As a precaution I went back to the boot order and un-ticked
1CH164

Robert
The tick boxes for the SATA ports all have to be
ticked, so the ports will be checked for disk drives.

When you have some hard drive OS booted, you can
insert a music CD and verify that a music CD plays.
As a proof that the SATA cable is hooked up and
the drive is partially functional.

The optical drive uses different lasers for CD and
DVD, and it is possible for one laser to go bad and
for the other laser to remain working. A BluRay drive
can have three lasers.

*******

When you make BIOS changes, there should be
a "Save and Exit" as well as a "Discard and Exit"
option. All your tick box ticking will not work,
if you have been "Discarding" the changes. You need
to use the "Save and Exit" option.

Paul




I went back and ticked the box and yes I save and
then exit. I tried inserting a music CD and nothing
happens? What's going on here?

I took a screenshot of the boot order previously after
had arranged it.

https://postimg.cc/629xsbZ4

Do I have it arranged correctly or do I need to re-arrange
it? The 780 is getting worst not better and nothing I do seems
to work.

Again all this started because the 780 would not recognize the
Win10 HD and now my Win7 HD is corrupted and my CD-player won't
function. Everything was fine before I un-ticked the HD and now
all this has happened.

It seems my only option at this point is to put in the backup drive
and remove/save the Win10 HD and see if I can restore the corrupted
HD inside the 780 How do I make sure the good drive boots first?
Unless I can do this by USB as an external drive?

Thoughts/Suggestions?
Robert

When you highlight the items on the right, the PgDn and PgUp
keys should "move" the item in the list.

The higher they are in the list, the higher the priority.

However, counterintuitively, you put the removable media
devices first. Traditionally that would be

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1
HardDrive2

And the thing is, HardDrive2 will hardly ever get to run,
because HardDrive1 will be physically present and take its
place. Only if HardDrive1 was unplugged, might HardDrive2
have a chance.

That's a limitation of the "fixed" BIOS sequence.

If you use the Popup boot key, *you* get to choose
the device doing the booting on that cycle.

Now, in addition to HardDrive1 "hijacking" the situation,
it's also possible for the operator to put an OS boot
menu on harddrive1, which has entries for both harddrive1
and harddrive2.

Win7 \__ Microsoft menu
Win10 /

So if you were serious about the setup, that's how you
fix the "I can't get to my HardDisk2 with this setup".

But I normally do not direct people to do stuff like
that, because things like this are a constant maintenance
headache.

The Popup Boot key is how you steer boot.

The

Floppy
CDROM
HardDrive1

order is sufficient for a lot of situations. Maybe
Windows 7 is HardDrive1 for example, your most
common boot situation. Maybe Windows 10 can be
raised by using the Popup Boot keyo. On my computer
it is F8 (Asus motherboard), but my laptop is I think
F12. You have to check the screen, or what is printed
in the user manual, to find out which key is popup boot.

If the SATA ports are not turned on (possibly in
a different BIOS page), you have to fix that before
you can fix the boot order entries.

Note that a Linux OS, ignores the "switched off SATA ports",
and it could access your CDROM player as long as it was
plugged in. I don't think Windows is quite that aggressive.
The control for a SATA port, is not a trap door control,
and that's why Linux can overwrite the register
as it sees fit. Some controls on PC are protected
by trap door. If the BIOS works the knob in such
cases, no second or third command executions are allowed,
and the OS is "locked out". But the SATA port enable/disable
isn't designed like that (apparently). As on my machine, if
I were to untick a SATA port enable, Linux could still
use the drive later.

Paul


I attempted to do exactly that,. change the
boot order and have Win 7 and Windows 10 on
the 780 and we see the result. I have no
experience doing this at all and am following
your instructions and barely know what I'm doing.

I tried and F2(Bios) and F12(boot sequence)
but you have lost me with turning on SATA ports.

I will try the F12 again next time it reboots


Robert

I hit F12 at startup on the 780 and here are the results;
I didn't know what to look for or to change(sorry for all
the pics): The first image is of the Macrium at startup
that was going to erase everything and I quit the process.

https://postimg.cc/w7t7xSH5

https://postimg.cc/7CP4h20v

https://postimg.cc/56JRfM8T

https://postimg.cc/tnqvt3Ry

https://postimg.cc/0MWDFDd9

https://postimg.cc/cgrrKjwN

https://postimg.cc/0KPFXgfT

https://postimg.cc/5jPWK0hp

https://postimg.cc/xJc306dX

https://postimg.cc/dDGTGbgq

https://postimg.cc/0b80tGgK

https://postimg.cc/nj2CMD3N

https://postimg.cc/rdJ89L5r

https://postimg.cc/kBKPcmmg

https://postimg.cc/m17pQTHx

https://postimg.cc/dky5YJn7

https://postimg.cc/5jfsGWLt

https://postimg.cc/H8jXgzT6

https://postimg.cc/LY5nYsGX

https://postimg.cc/SnZ4XG46

https://postimg.cc/14Zz1J3X

https://postimg.cc/5jPDS2TJ

https://postimg.cc/LhZjNy0s

https://postimg.cc/w7qLg6j1

https://postimg.cc/1nKXjq6J

https://postimg.cc/1nKXjq6J

https://postimg.cc/fSJsftv3

https://postimg.cc/XGqmRMBm

https://postimg.cc/56g5CXR5

https://postimg.cc/8jz4wdWX

https://postimg.cc/3dqXBs3W

https://postimg.cc/2bChym79

https://postimg.cc/D8RGs1cX

https://postimg.cc/wyBMnBVz

https://postimg.cc/jwGTvq3Z

https://postimg.cc/nsrtJ963

https://postimg.cc/56mcQmJP

https://postimg.cc/WFPLJYdH


Robert

I hit F8 at startup but it didn't go into Bios
but offered F5 as a diagnostics so I did that
instead and it went into a Pre-boot system
assessment. I elected to run the memory tests
to see if it finds anything.

https://postimg.cc/tscQ5CMw

https://postimg.cc/mtDTNqrc

https://postimg.cc/0Mw8mJ5V

Robert