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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
I don't know what drives that speaker.

Is it PCBEEP ?

My experience here, is it can be sporadic. On some
boots, the damn thing is quiet. On other boots, less
so. Perhaps if the external speakers are unplugged, it reverts
to using PCBEEP for alerts ?

Just a guess,
Paul

I think it's more than just the speaker that runs from a 4-way header
(only 2 wires) driven by a logic gate, for error beeps and the like.
I've come across some small-format systems that had an internal speaker
that would play standard system sounds, .wav/.mp3 files, and so on; it
was obviously connected to the sound "card", not just the logic gate. I
can't give any more details as it was a machine at work. I was surprised
the manufacturers would make such a machine for sale into the business
environment; maybe they had training videos and the like in mind.

Robert: did this internal speaker _ever_ play normal sounds, or has it
only ever done error (and boot-up) beeps?

This one is a piezo soldered right to the motherboard.

So it's not like the wires can fall off.

It's also located on the opposite side of the board, from
the SuperI/O chip and the sound chip. (The motherboard is
BTX, so everything is reversed left to right when looking
inside the case.) On a good design, the components tend to
fall nearer to the things driving them, but no hints in
this case.

And is it a BIOS setting ? Rob did change the CMOS battery,
so that's the only suspicious activity recently. None of my
motherboards here have such a control in the BIOS, but you could
check anyway to see.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Robert: did this internal speaker _ever_ play normal sounds, or has
it only ever done error (and boot-up) beeps?

This one is a piezo soldered right to the motherboard.

So it's not like the wires can fall off.

It's also located on the opposite side of the board, from
the SuperI/O chip and the sound chip. (The motherboard is

Ah, that definitely sounds like the binary-driven beeper.

BTX, so everything is reversed left to right when looking
inside the case.) On a good design, the components tend to
fall nearer to the things driving them, but no hints in
this case.

And is it a BIOS setting ? Rob did change the CMOS battery,
so that's the only suspicious activity recently. None of my
motherboards here have such a control in the BIOS, but you could
check anyway to see.

Paul

I do remember, back when Soundblaster and equivalents were add-on boards
of no cheap price, someone producing a PCM driver for the in-built
speaker. Windows 3.1 era, I think. The quality was terrible. (I also had
a little executable that made that speaker say "Oh, ****." I don't think
that worked on XP, or possibly even on '9x.)

But I have come across PCs with an internal speaker that _did_ play
system sounds. Hence my asking Robert if his ever did other than beep.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur". ("Anything is more impressive if
you say it in Latin")

I don't know what drives that speaker.

Is it PCBEEP ?

My experience here, is it can be sporadic. On some
boots, the damn thing is quiet. On other boots, less
so. Perhaps if the external speakers are unplugged, it reverts
to using PCBEEP for alerts ?

Just a guess,
Paul

I think it's more than just the speaker that runs from a 4-way header
(only 2 wires) driven by a logic gate, for error beeps and the like.
I've come across some small-format systems that had an internal speaker
that would play standard system sounds, .wav/.mp3 files, and so on; it
was obviously connected to the sound "card", not just the logic gate. I
can't give any more details as it was a machine at work. I was surprised
the manufacturers would make such a machine for sale into the business
environment; maybe they had training videos and the like in mind.

Robert: did this internal speaker _ever_ play normal sounds, or has it
only ever done error (and boot-up) beeps?

This one is a piezo soldered right to the motherboard.

So it's not like the wires can fall off.

It's also located on the opposite side of the board, from
the SuperI/O chip and the sound chip. (The motherboard is
BTX, so everything is reversed left to right when looking
inside the case.) On a good design, the components tend to
fall nearer to the things driving them, but no hints in
this case.

And is it a BIOS setting ? Rob did change the CMOS battery,
so that's the only suspicious activity recently. None of my
motherboards here have such a control in the BIOS, but you could
check anyway to see.

Paul


I don't know if BIOS has any control for the internal speaker.
Are you suggesting that when I changed the battery I
disconnected the speaker? I thought the internal speaker
was attached to the video card that we added? I don't know
if this is the one but its the only one I had bookmarked:

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-...82E16814130635

https://postimg.cc/nCtMMFZY

I checked every disc I have but really don't know what I'm
looking for. Some disc that I had labeled no longer functioned
which didn't please me.

Here are the disc's:

https://postimg.cc/vchCJhmF

https://postimg.cc/5Xq57K9L

https://postimg.cc/NKp923fJ

https://postimg.cc/fkN9FjFv

https://postimg.cc/kVCC9GdL

https://postimg.cc/WDqZR9T5

https://postimg.cc/XrC5mHVQ

Thoughts/suggestions?

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
I don't know what drives that speaker.

Is it PCBEEP ?

My experience here, is it can be sporadic. On some
boots, the damn thing is quiet. On other boots, less
so. Perhaps if the external speakers are unplugged, it reverts
to using PCBEEP for alerts ?

Just a guess,
Paul
I think it's more than just the speaker that runs from a 4-way header
(only 2 wires) driven by a logic gate, for error beeps and the like.
I've come across some small-format systems that had an internal speaker
that would play standard system sounds, .wav/.mp3 files, and so on; it
was obviously connected to the sound "card", not just the logic gate. I
can't give any more details as it was a machine at work. I was surprised
the manufacturers would make such a machine for sale into the business
environment; maybe they had training videos and the like in mind.

Robert: did this internal speaker _ever_ play normal sounds, or has it
only ever done error (and boot-up) beeps?
This one is a piezo soldered right to the motherboard.

So it's not like the wires can fall off.

It's also located on the opposite side of the board, from
the SuperI/O chip and the sound chip. (The motherboard is
BTX, so everything is reversed left to right when looking
inside the case.) On a good design, the components tend to
fall nearer to the things driving them, but no hints in
this case.

And is it a BIOS setting ? Rob did change the CMOS battery,
so that's the only suspicious activity recently. None of my
motherboards here have such a control in the BIOS, but you could
check anyway to see.

Paul


I don't know if BIOS has any control for the internal speaker.
Are you suggesting that when I changed the battery I
disconnected the speaker? I thought the internal speaker
was attached to the video card that we added? I don't know
if this is the one but its the only one I had bookmarked:

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-...82E16814130635

https://postimg.cc/nCtMMFZY

I checked every disc I have but really don't know what I'm
looking for. Some disc that I had labeled no longer functioned
which didn't please me.

Here are the disc's:

https://postimg.cc/vchCJhmF 64 bit Macrium on Patriot USB stick

https://postimg.cc/5Xq57K9L Macrium x64 (open the Version file with Wordpad to check)

https://postimg.cc/NKp923fJ Bitdefender offline scanner (it's in the name)

https://postimg.cc/fkN9FjFv Memtest 5.01 (for testing DIMMs)

https://postimg.cc/kVCC9GdL Could be a Windows installer disc. Check WIM
file in sources/ with 7ZIP for details

https://postimg.cc/WDqZR9T5 A disc with backups on it ???

https://postimg.cc/XrC5mHVQ A botched KAV10 disc... Burned incorrectly.
You should not be able to see the ISO like that.
Thoughts/suggestions?

Robert


The internal speaker is wired to the motherboard in your case.

The video card can do "audio over HDMI", which is far from convenient.

The motherboard has HDAudio and a couple jacks on the back of the 780.

*******

You have one piece of optical media that looks like a Macrium x64.

Seeing the file structure is not 100% proof that the
disc has to boot. Some of the boot materials are not
visible that way.

And using checksums isn't a practical option either, to
identify damaged media. When Macrium makes a disc like
that, there's bound to be date stamps that ruin the
checksum of the entire disc.

You should try booting your Macrium x64 media I found in
your list above. This was your link... The title of the
disc is "Rescue", but more than one product may use
such a title.

https://postimg.cc/5Xq57K9L

Paul

On Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 7:07:46 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I don't know what drives that speaker.

Is it PCBEEP ?

My experience here, is it can be sporadic. On some
boots, the damn thing is quiet. On other boots, less
so. Perhaps if the external speakers are unplugged, it reverts
to using PCBEEP for alerts ?

Just a guess,
Paul
I think it's more than just the speaker that runs from a 4-way header
(only 2 wires) driven by a logic gate, for error beeps and the like.
I've come across some small-format systems that had an internal speaker
that would play standard system sounds, .wav/.mp3 files, and so on; it
was obviously connected to the sound "card", not just the logic gate. I
can't give any more details as it was a machine at work. I was surprised
the manufacturers would make such a machine for sale into the business
environment; maybe they had training videos and the like in mind.

Robert: did this internal speaker _ever_ play normal sounds, or has it
only ever done error (and boot-up) beeps?
This one is a piezo soldered right to the motherboard.

So it's not like the wires can fall off.

It's also located on the opposite side of the board, from
the SuperI/O chip and the sound chip. (The motherboard is
BTX, so everything is reversed left to right when looking
inside the case.) On a good design, the components tend to
fall nearer to the things driving them, but no hints in
this case.

And is it a BIOS setting ? Rob did change the CMOS battery,
so that's the only suspicious activity recently. None of my
motherboards here have such a control in the BIOS, but you could
check anyway to see.

Paul


I don't know if BIOS has any control for the internal speaker.
Are you suggesting that when I changed the battery I
disconnected the speaker? I thought the internal speaker
was attached to the video card that we added? I don't know
if this is the one but its the only one I had bookmarked:

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-...82E16814130635

https://postimg.cc/nCtMMFZY

I checked every disc I have but really don't know what I'm
looking for. Some disc that I had labeled no longer functioned
which didn't please me.

Here are the disc's:

https://postimg.cc/vchCJhmF 64 bit Macrium on Patriot USB stick

https://postimg.cc/5Xq57K9L Macrium x64 (open the Version file with Wordpad to check)

https://postimg.cc/NKp923fJ Bitdefender offline scanner (it's in the name)

https://postimg.cc/fkN9FjFv Memtest 5.01 (for testing DIMMs)

https://postimg.cc/kVCC9GdL Could be a Windows installer disc. Check WIM
file in sources/ with 7ZIP for details

https://postimg.cc/WDqZR9T5 A disc with backups on it ???

https://postimg.cc/XrC5mHVQ A botched KAV10 disc... Burned incorrectly.
...



I see I do not have the Rescue CD so we
need to create a new one. I think what I
did was that I inadvertently wrote over
the Rescue CD with Kapersky.

I went into the BIOS and found a couple of
other things you may or may not want to change.

https://postimg.cc/6yCqfQCq

https://postimg.cc/N5vfFwZc

https://postimg.cc/7GTwPBVh

Robert

Here are the speaker controls:

https://postimg.cc/Yv318RQv

https://postimg.cc/rKGWFjnf

https://postimg.cc/fVB9YLhX

https://postimg.cc/8fRFckH7

https://postimg.cc/23Q346Q6


Robert

https://postimg.cc/5Xq57K9L Macrium x64 (open the Version file with Wordpad to check)



I opened the Version file and the PEVersion:

https://postimg.cc/0MBM8L5h

https://postimg.cc/xkq90qkT

It seems were going to have to create a new
Rescue CD if that's possible.

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 7:07:46 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I don't know what drives that speaker.

Is it PCBEEP ?

My experience here, is it can be sporadic. On some
boots, the damn thing is quiet. On other boots, less
so. Perhaps if the external speakers are unplugged, it reverts
to using PCBEEP for alerts ?

Just a guess,
Paul
I think it's more than just the speaker that runs from a 4-way header
(only 2 wires) driven by a logic gate, for error beeps and the like.
I've come across some small-format systems that had an internal speaker
that would play standard system sounds, .wav/.mp3 files, and so on; it
was obviously connected to the sound "card", not just the logic gate. I
can't give any more details as it was a machine at work. I was surprised
the manufacturers would make such a machine for sale into the business
environment; maybe they had training videos and the like in mind.

Robert: did this internal speaker _ever_ play normal sounds, or has it
only ever done error (and boot-up) beeps?
This one is a piezo soldered right to the motherboard.

So it's not like the wires can fall off.

It's also located on the opposite side of the board, from
the SuperI/O chip and the sound chip. (The motherboard is
BTX, so everything is reversed left to right when looking
inside the case.) On a good design, the components tend to
fall nearer to the things driving them, but no hints in
this case.

And is it a BIOS setting ? Rob did change the CMOS battery,
so that's the only suspicious activity recently. None of my
motherboards here have such a control in the BIOS, but you could
check anyway to see.

Paul

I don't know if BIOS has any control for the internal speaker.
Are you suggesting that when I changed the battery I
disconnected the speaker? I thought the internal speaker
was attached to the video card that we added? I don't know
if this is the one but its the only one I had bookmarked:

https://www.newegg.com/evga-geforce-...82E16814130635

https://postimg.cc/nCtMMFZY

I checked every disc I have but really don't know what I'm
looking for. Some disc that I had labeled no longer functioned
which didn't please me.

Here are the disc's:

https://postimg.cc/vchCJhmF 64 bit Macrium on Patriot USB stick

https://postimg.cc/5Xq57K9L Macrium x64 (open the Version file with Wordpad to check)

https://postimg.cc/NKp923fJ Bitdefender offline scanner (it's in the name)

https://postimg.cc/fkN9FjFv Memtest 5.01 (for testing DIMMs)

https://postimg.cc/kVCC9GdL Could be a Windows installer disc. Check WIM
file in sources/ with 7ZIP for details

https://postimg.cc/WDqZR9T5 A disc with backups on it ???

https://postimg.cc/XrC5mHVQ A botched KAV10 disc... Burned incorrectly.
...



I see I do not have the Rescue CD so we
need to create a new one. I think what I
did was that I inadvertently wrote over
the Rescue CD with Kapersky.

I went into the BIOS and found a couple of
other things you may or may not want to change.

https://postimg.cc/6yCqfQCq USB and enable audio, all ticked

https://postimg.cc/N5vfFwZc Enable Intel SpeedStep, unticked

https://postimg.cc/7GTwPBVh Enable CPUID limit, unticked

Robert

The CPUID limit does this:

""Allows you to circumvent problems with older operating systems"
by limiting the maximum CPUID value"

If the OS is upset with your Pentium processor, that setting
can fix it. It's not needed in this case. I've *never*
needed to select that, not once.

*******

The Speedstep thing is a weird choice for a BIOS default. The
Optiplex defaults to disabled for that.

On an E8400 dual core processor, enabling Speedstep allows the
processor to "rove" between 2GHz and 3GHz. The multiplier is
limited to a range of 6x to 9x.

With SpeedStep disabled, the processor stays at 3GHz.

To investigate whether the OS is paying attention, you might
use CPUZ and watch as CPUZ takes readings once a second. And
see if you can observe frequency changes.

With the SpeedStep setting enabled, the computer saves power.

On my newest machine, disabling SpeedStep wastes around 20W
of electricity for nothing. You enable it, if you think the
OS is "lagging" by not turning up the CPU properly. For example,
Windows 10 doesn't always seem to turn the CPU up when there
is a computing load present.

You disable a setting like this, if you think the CPU is unstable
and hasn't been tested properly at the factory at 2GHz and 3GHz.
Maybe there were certain AMD models where you would try such
an approach (untick the box).

*******

The box also has C states disabled. These are a variety of
lower power states, intended to save electricity. On more modern
machines, they may include removing power from the CPU, and
reinitializing the thing a bit later. Similar to how some modern
cars stop the gasoline motor at lights, and restart the
engine when you tap the accelerator.

C states in a way, go hand-in-hand with SpeedStep. If you
have a stability problem, you untick C states and see if
the situation improves.

I think generally these choices are bull****, but I don't
know what mistakes they made designing that motherboard.
Perhaps, for example, the VCore or the ATX supply doesn't
work properly when the CPU enters a low power state, and
using these choices is a crutch.

However, I believe none of these things. On this
generation of LGA775 Core2 Duo machines, there aren't
problems like this that I'm aware of. And the Asus
motherboard I'm typing this message on, is stable
no matter what the choices for those equivalent tick boxes is.

If you want to test those tick boxes, go right ahead,
as I don't see a particular reason for the settings.
If, on the other hand, you trust Dell to pick values,
just leave them.

*******

If the disc with the KAV10.iso on it is a re-writeable
media, you could put your Macrium Rescue on that disc.
That would save on burning new write-once media.

In Other Tasks, select "Create Rescue Media"

https://i.postimg.cc/yN96d68h/rescue-media.gif

When you create rescue media, the "selections" on a Macrium 7
session, are based on what media is connected to the computer.
If you have an erased CD sitting in the tray, then perhaps
there will be a CD item in the list. Place media on the
machine (put CD in tray) before starting the creation
of rescue media.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKb9T6Yy/create-rescue-media.gif

Now, if you plug in a USB key before starting that
sequence, the USB key shows up as an option. Right now,
your Patriot already has Macrium Rescue on it. So you
won't be needed to plug that one in. This is just
to illustrate that plugging in media before you
start, modifies the menu.

https://i.postimg.cc/vBgStzJV/macrium-sees-USB-key.gif

Also, in the pictures, you can see the WADK version
choices in the "Advanced" menu. On Macrium 7, the purpose
of selecting one of those, is to prevent Macrium
from hoovering a winpe.wim from the C: drive.
I ruined a CD here, when the software hoovered
the wrong thing. Consequently, I like to select
a "static" kit from the menu. The Windows PE 10
has USB3 capabilities, which is handy for fast transfers
to an external enclosure. The 780 doesn't have USB3 hardware,
so of course, that cannot happen (unless an add-in card
is placed in the machine).

As choices go, the Windows PE 4.0 is unavailable and
should not be selected. The WinPE5 or WinPE10 should
be viable alternatives. If they're not present on the
machine, the software downloads them (800MB worth,
followed by compression into a ZIP taking less
space).

When you click "Build", the process is lengthy. The
only variable left, is whether Macrium "likes" your
choice of media, at burn time.

Some burning softwares (Nero), insist on only burning
CD sized files to CDs, and won't burn them to a DVD.
I hope Macrium has no such behavior. The Imgburn software
has no problem - it will transfer the contents of an
ISO to a disc, as long as there is room on the media
for it to fit.

*******

Erase-able media (+RW or -RW) can be erased in
Imgburn. Click the upper left button in the six-button view.
Then in the Tools menu, about two layers deep, should
be an option to "Erase Disc". Once the disc is finished
erasure, you can exit Imgburn, head over to Macrium,
and start preparing rescue media. Preparing the media
by erasing it (and leaving it in the tray), leaves
one less thing to go wrong.

Paul

Robert in CA wrote:
https://postimg.cc/5Xq57K9L Macrium x64 (open the Version file with Wordpad to check)



I opened the Version file and the PEVersion:

https://postimg.cc/0MBM8L5h

https://postimg.cc/xkq90qkT

It seems were going to have to create a new
Rescue CD if that's possible.

Robert

Yes, if you're using a newer version of Macrium on your machines,
the Rescue CD must be updated to match. A 6.1 CD isn't likely to be
perfect for a Macrium 7 backup image. And we need a recent
Macrium 7 installation on a C: drive, to handle things like
backing up Windows 10 C: drives.

You have to install the version of Macrium you plan on standardizing
on some C: , so you can make media. If your Windows 7 had only
Macrium 6 on it, then you might want to upgrade to Macrium 7.

The only thing I don't like about Macrium 7 (I have a copy
installed), is I'm still seeing a Macrium service wasting CPU
cycles when no backup is taking place. That doesn't particularly
please me, especially on my "gutless" computers. I have cycles
to waste on the newer machine, but the machine I'm typing on
(which only has two cores), is a poor candidate for cycle-wasting
services. And I don't know what would happen to Macrium
if I "stuck a fork" into that service and shut it off.

In any case, we're between a rock and a hard place, with
Macrium.

A strategy would be to boot the Windows 10 disk drive and
make the media there (the last time you did that, you
put Macrium on the Patriot USB stick, which did not boot).
But you also know that booting the Windows 10 disk requires
changing BIOS settings, and is risky (only risky because
of the unknown nature of the bug in your BIOS right now - your
BIOS is *not* behaving exactly like other Optiplex 780s do.

You could boot the Win7 disk on the 780 and check the
Macrium version. That is a less risky choice certainly. But
there will be a "tax paid", because of the service that Macrium 7
will add to the system, the one that wastes cycles and
won't settle down.

I think it's possible the service is reading the USN
journal and tracking files. It's possible this is for
the purposes of a feature that the "Free" version of
Macrium won't be using. And anything reading the USN,
if you boot into an alternate OS like Linux, the USN
is invalidated, and your attempts to track **** would
be ruined. So the strategy (if that's what it is doing),
isn't perfect. Doing USN tracking is fine if the OS
that is used, is always modern Windows.

So you have to decide which OS will be hosting
the software. Windows 10 I believe, already has
Macrium 7 on it.

Paul

On Saturday, August 17, 2019 at 12:44:03 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
https://postimg.cc/5Xq57K9L Macrium x64 (open the Version file with Wordpad to check)



I opened the Version file and the PEVersion:

https://postimg.cc/0MBM8L5h

https://postimg.cc/xkq90qkT

It seems were going to have to create a new
Rescue CD if that's possible.

Robert

Yes, if you're using a newer version of Macrium on your machines,
the Rescue CD must be updated to match. A 6.1 CD isn't likely to be
perfect for a Macrium 7 backup image. And we need a recent
Macrium 7 installation on a C: drive, to handle things like
backing up Windows 10 C: drives.

You have to install the version of Macrium you plan on standardizing
on some C: , so you can make media. If your Windows 7 had only
Macrium 6 on it, then you might want to upgrade to Macrium 7.

The only thing I don't like about Macrium 7 (I have a copy
installed), is I'm still seeing a Macrium service wasting CPU
cycles when no backup is taking place. That doesn't particularly
please me, especially on my "gutless" computers. I have cycles
to waste on the newer machine, but the machine I'm typing on
(which only has two cores), is a poor candidate for cycle-wasting
services. And I don't know what would happen to Macrium
if I "stuck a fork" into that service and shut it off.

In any case, we're between a rock and a hard place, with
Macrium.

A strategy would be to boot the Windows 10 disk drive and
make the media there (the last time you did that, you
put Macrium on the Patriot USB stick, which did not boot).
But you also know that booting the Windows 10 disk requires
changing BIOS settings, and is risky (only risky because
of the unknown nature of the bug in your BIOS right now - your
BIOS is *not* behaving exactly like other Optiplex 780s do.

You could boot the Win7 disk on the 780 and check the
Macrium version. That is a less risky choice certainly. But
there will be a "tax paid", because of the service that Macrium 7
will add to the syst...



I'm done with playing around with Win 10
on the 780 and will leave the settings as
is (if it isn't broke don't fix it).

I'll try creating a Rescue CD for the 780
tomorrow.

Robert

*******

Erase-able media (+RW or -RW) can be erased in
Imgburn. Click the upper left button in the six-button view.
Then in the Tools menu, about two layers deep, should
be an option to "Erase Disc". Once the disc is finished
erasure, you can exit Imgburn, head over to Macrium,
and start preparing rescue media. Preparing the media
by erasing it (and leaving it in the tray), leaves
one less thing to go wrong.

Paul



I went to imageburn and selected the top left and it says
the disc needs to be erased. I clicked on file,view, mode,
tools but I don't see how to do it?


Robert

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:10:49 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:

*******

Erase-able media (+RW or -RW) can be erased in
Imgburn. Click the upper left button in the six-button view.
Then in the Tools menu, about two layers deep, should
be an option to "Erase Disc". Once the disc is finished
erasure, you can exit Imgburn, head over to Macrium,
and start preparing rescue media. Preparing the media
by erasing it (and leaving it in the tray), leaves
one less thing to go wrong.

Paul



I went to imageburn and selected the top left and it says
the disc needs to be erased. I clicked on file,view, mode,
tools but I don't see how to do it?


Robert



Although I'm doing this on the 8500 it occurs to me that I
should have Imageburn on the 780 as well. What other programs
would you include? Agent Ransack, AdwCleaner? What was that
program that analyses the HD and gives a trace at the end?
Wasn't it IGsomething? I'd like to have that.

Robert

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:18:17 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:10:49 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:

*******

Erase-able media (+RW or -RW) can be erased in
Imgburn. Click the upper left button in the six-button view.
Then in the Tools menu, about two layers deep, should
be an option to "Erase Disc". Once the disc is finished
erasure, you can exit Imgburn, head over to Macrium,
and start preparing rescue media. Preparing the media
by erasing it (and leaving it in the tray), leaves
one less thing to go wrong.

Paul



I went to imageburn and selected the top left and it says
the disc needs to be erased. I clicked on file,view, mode,
tools but I don't see how to do it?


Robert



Although I'm doing this on the 8500 it occurs to me that I
should have Imageburn on the 780 as well. What other programs
would you include? Agent Ransack, AdwCleaner? What was that
program that analyses the HD and gives a trace at the end?
Wasn't it IGsomething? I'd like to have that.

Robert


Could you also provide a link to download Macrium
and the VLC Player?

Thanks,
Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:18:17 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:10:49 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
*******

Erase-able media (+RW or -RW) can be erased in
Imgburn. Click the upper left button in the six-button view.
Then in the Tools menu, about two layers deep, should
be an option to "Erase Disc". Once the disc is finished
erasure, you can exit Imgburn, head over to Macrium,
and start preparing rescue media. Preparing the media
by erasing it (and leaving it in the tray), leaves
one less thing to go wrong.

Paul


I went to imageburn and selected the top left and it says
the disc needs to be erased. I clicked on file,view, mode,
tools but I don't see how to do it?


Robert


Although I'm doing this on the 8500 it occurs to me that I
should have Imageburn on the 780 as well. What other programs
would you include? Agent Ransack, AdwCleaner? What was that
program that analyses the HD and gives a trace at the end?
Wasn't it IGsomething? I'd like to have that.

Robert


Could you also provide a link to download Macrium
and the VLC Player?

Thanks,
Robert

The blue "Home Use" button on the left side of the screen,
should give you Macrium stub loader.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

That gives you "ReflectDLHF.exe".

Execute that, and pick your options for download.

You need at least the "Installer Only". And on a
x64 OS, you can select the x64 installer.

You can select a version of WinPE at media build
time (later) and the installed program will download
it at that point in time.

Your Win10 disk probably has the two files needed
to do the install, already on it, in the Downloads folder.
But then, you'd need some means to pick the files off
the Windows 10 drive.

*******

I use Wikipedia sometimes, to verify I know where to get
the software.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlc

When I get to the correct page, the website is usually listed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player

That gets me here.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

If you scroll down a bit, there is an orange button "Download VLC"

http://get.videolan.org/vlc/3.0.7.1/....7.1-win32.exe

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https://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/

https://download.mythicsoft.com/ar/8...ansack_867.exe

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Green button, on the left.
Just below "Destroys Adware Restores Performance".
7,623,880 bytes

https://www.malwarebytes.com/adwcleaner/

Paul

On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:41:28 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:18:17 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 4:10:49 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
*******

Erase-able media (+RW or -RW) can be erased in
Imgburn. Click the upper left button in the six-button view.
Then in the Tools menu, about two layers deep, should
be an option to "Erase Disc". Once the disc is finished
erasure, you can exit Imgburn, head over to Macrium,
and start preparing rescue media. Preparing the media
by erasing it (and leaving it in the tray), leaves
one less thing to go wrong.

Paul


I went to imageburn and selected the top left and it says
the disc needs to be erased. I clicked on file,view, mode,
tools but I don't see how to do it?


Robert


Although I'm doing this on the 8500 it occurs to me that I
should have Imageburn on the 780 as well. What other programs
would you include? Agent Ransack, AdwCleaner? What was that
program that analyses the HD and gives a trace at the end?
Wasn't it IGsomething? I'd like to have that.

Robert


Could you also provide a link to download Macrium
and the VLC Player?

Thanks,
Robert

The blue "Home Use" button on the left side of the screen,
should give you Macrium stub loader.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

That gives you "ReflectDLHF.exe".

Execute that, and pick your options for download.

You need at least the "Installer Only". And on a
x64 OS, you can select the x64 installer.

You can select a version of WinPE at media build
time (later) and the installed program will download
it at that point in time.

Your Win10 disk probably has the two files needed
to do the install, already on it, in the Downloads folder.
But then, you'd need some means to pick the files off
the Windows 10 drive.

*******



As I said, I'm not going to risk the 780 with Win10 anymore
we've got the license key and I have a Win10 HD so we've
accomplished what we set out to do. Win10 has its own set
of problems and I don't like using it.

Is there no way to get both files on the 780 without using
the Win10? If I could do this on Win10 then why can't I do
the same on Win 7?

Robert