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  #526  
Old August 21st 19, 08:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I tried to install Word again but it didn't accept
the license key. I thought this time it would because
the Windows activation worked and that accepted the
license key. Strange,.... and if I recall I had
Word on it before.

Robert

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  #527  
Old August 27th 19, 02:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I'm just glad the computer let you finish!

Paul




I was thinking since we have the 780 activated
about the internal speakers again. Since we had
to download over 270 updates and reinstall everything
is it possible we also have to re-install the drivers
for the internal speaker?

I did a search and found this:

https://www.dell.com/community/Deskt...0/td-p/5148453

If you scroll halfway down you'll find this:

The internal business speaker doesn't work with
windows 7 or 8 or 10 without installing the OEM
soundmax driver. Until you install that driver
it won't work. The Business speaker is OPTIONAL
however.

I found this for Soundmax drivers:

https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds003543

I know it worked before. I just thought if its simple
as downloading drivers then maybe I would try it
but I don't know which drivers to look for or which
ones I should download?

Thoughts/suggestions?

Robert
  #528  
Old August 27th 19, 05:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Robert in CA wrote:
I'm just glad the computer let you finish!

Paul




I was thinking since we have the 780 activated
about the internal speakers again. Since we had
to download over 270 updates and reinstall everything
is it possible we also have to re-install the drivers
for the internal speaker?

I did a search and found this:

https://www.dell.com/community/Deskt...0/td-p/5148453

If you scroll halfway down you'll find this:

The internal business speaker doesn't work with
windows 7 or 8 or 10 without installing the OEM
soundmax driver. Until you install that driver
it won't work. The Business speaker is OPTIONAL
however.

I found this for Soundmax drivers:

https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds003543

I know it worked before. I just thought if its simple
as downloading drivers then maybe I would try it
but I don't know which drivers to look for or which
ones I should download?

Thoughts/suggestions?

Robert


There are two sound devices on the 780 MT. The built-in stereo
speaker assembly is on top of the lower hard drive cage.

XXXX === circular disc with PCB on top = audio speaker
Hard Drive Tray 1
Hard Drive Tray 2 XX
X X === round black piezo
XX soldered to motherboard = "beeps twice on disk error"

The SoundMax could be driving the XXXX one as a kind
of LineOut or HeadPhones channel.

If you look in Program Files x86, there is an Analog Devices.
I have a SoundMax on the machine I'm typing on. My
Analog Devices folder has two folders.

Core === very basic sound
SoundMAX === fancy control panel (SMax4.exe) sits in
the tray - but none provided on Optiplex 780!

https://www.dell.com/community/Deskt...0/td-p/5148453

This is the download, (6,697,648 bytes)

http://downloads.dell.com/audio/ANAL...11_R297758.exe

When unpacked, that has a Setup.exe in it. It will
install in Program Files x86. The System32 folder ends up
with x64 driver files, but the "control panel", as pathetic
as it is, lives in the Program Files x86 folder.

In any case, C:\Program Files x86\Analog Devices should end up
with two folders after that is installed.

The HDAudio codec chip used is an AD1984A.

VEN_11D4&DEV_194A&SUBSYS_10280420

11d4 Analog Devices
0078 AD1986HD sound chip
1535 Blackfin BF535 processor
1805 SM56 PCI modem
1889 AD1889 sound chip
194a AD1984A sound chip === This is your chip type, a "laptop" chip
with stereo in and stereo out, no 5.1
as there aren't enough jacks on the back

Table 3. Typical Notebook Configuration with Dock Interface [from 1984A datasheet]

Port Function
Port A Headphone
Port B Microphone
Port C Internal Microphone
Port D Dock Line-Out/Headphone === back panel, lime green ?
Port E Dock Line-In/Microphone
Port F Internal Stereo Speakers === select circular spkr ?
S/PDIF Optical/RCA S/PDIF Output

******* v.6.10.2.7280, A11 Dell versus Lenovo 6.10.2.7255 *******

OK, let's look at the Lenovo driver.

https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pu...s/7ka216ww.exe

The Lenovo INF doesn't match on SUBSYS, so the driver doesn't
actually install.

Looks like the Dell driver wins this round, even if it completely
lacks the right control panel. This, I suppose, is their idea
of "sound for business systems". Stereo audio.

Summary:

1) Install the ANALOG-DEVICES_ADI-198X-INTE_A11_R297758.exe [Dell]
2) With external computer speakers not plugged into the
computer, the circular assembly on top of the drive cage,
emits Windows sounds and your music CDs. This is what
you should hear now.
3) With the external computer speakers plugged into the
rear Lime port, the internal speaker is disabled.
4) Since HDAudio codecs have sufficient channels for (2) and
(3), there is no "hardware switching" like the old days,
using side contacts in the jacks. The switching is
totally digital. The sound chip "senses" (3), and the
driver knows it should disable the internal speaker.
Analog Devices has a patented method for sensing
electrical loads (RealTek doesn't have it).

There might also be a BIOS setting for audio (if it won't install).

The Win7 tray icon should indicate if an audio driver
got installed.

Windows 7 would also support "sound over HDMI", if you
have an optional Nvidia video card plugged into the
780, and used an HDMI cable to a computer monitor that
has its own speakers.

You will need to use the Windows generic audio tray icon
to control the sound after the SoundMax is installed. This is
because the laptop chip apparently doesn't get the fancy
control panel.

This is what SMax4.exe looks like (the localization here
is German, but you get the idea...). That thing can also
include a graphic equalizer that uses the CPU to do the
necessary DSP (this allows balancing your speakers, or
"compensating for heavy drapes" in a room). I have
one of these on my typing machine. The graphic equalizer
is missing from this picture (probably turned off somewhere).

https://www.digitalbreed.com/wp-cont...-stereomix.png

The SMax4pnp.exe connects the HDAudio to the Windows 7
generic controls, as far as I know.

Good luck with the Dell driver, it should bring the
sound back. If there is already a SoundMax driver, the
installer panel will confirm it is removing that first,
before installing the new driver.

Paul
  #529  
Old August 27th 19, 03:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Good luck with the Dell driver, it should bring the
sound back. If there is already a SoundMax driver, the
installer panel will confirm it is removing that first,
before installing the new driver.

Paul



Success !

The 780 internal speaker works again! Great!

The 780 is back again minus only Word and Excel

Thanks,
Robert
  #530  
Old August 27th 19, 08:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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I'm just glad the computer let you finish!

Paul


The thought occurred to me that since we
restored Win 7 and downloaded 270+ updates
that we erased the Win10 license key in the
process.

So my question is how do I know if I still
have the Win10 license key should I ever need
it. Even though we created a Win10 HD will it
even work in the 780 now? or am I OK? Is there
a way to check if I still have the license key?

Since I haven't done anything to the 8500 it
should still be there. We just didn't create a
separte HD like I did for the 780. I kinda of
wish I did now.

Robert


  #531  
Old August 27th 19, 08:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
I'm just glad the computer let you finish!

Paul


The thought occurred to me that since we
restored Win 7 and downloaded 270+ updates
that we erased the Win10 license key in the
process.

So my question is how do I know if I still
have the Win10 license key should I ever need
it. Even though we created a Win10 HD will it
even work in the 780 now? or am I OK? Is there
a way to check if I still have the license key?

Since I haven't done anything to the 8500 it
should still be there. We just didn't create a
separte HD like I did for the 780. I kinda of
wish I did now.

Robert


Your "spare" hard drive, if you installed the OS
correctly, should be bootable all by itself.

You could slide out the Win7 drive, plug in the
Win10 drive in its place, and use the same cable
the Win7 drive uses.

If you installed the Win10 correctly, now it should
boot. The "slmgr /dlv" command could review license
status (the OS should still be activated).

If you want to reinstall Windows 10, you can do that
at any time, with just the Windows 10 drive for the
780 in the machine by itself. You select "Skip" when
asked for a license key, and the installer will
license and activate the OS all by itself. With the
usual Windows Updates to follow automatically, afterwards.

Paul
  #532  
Old August 27th 19, 10:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 12:46:05 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I'm just glad the computer let you finish!

Paul


The thought occurred to me that since we
restored Win 7 and downloaded 270+ updates
that we erased the Win10 license key in the
process.

So my question is how do I know if I still
have the Win10 license key should I ever need
it. Even though we created a Win10 HD will it
even work in the 780 now? or am I OK? Is there
a way to check if I still have the license key?

Since I haven't done anything to the 8500 it
should still be there. We just didn't create a
separte HD like I did for the 780. I kinda of
wish I did now.

Robert


Your "spare" hard drive, if you installed the OS
correctly, should be bootable all by itself.

You could slide out the Win7 drive, plug in the
Win10 drive in its place, and use the same cable
the Win7 drive uses.

If you installed the Win10 correctly, now it should
boot. The "slmgr /dlv" command could review license
status (the OS should still be activated).

If you want to reinstall Windows 10, you can do that
at any time, with just the Windows 10 drive for the
780 in the machine by itself. You select "Skip" when
asked for a license key, and the installer will
license and activate the OS all by itself. With the
usual Windows Updates to follow automatically, afterwards.

Paul


I might switch the HD's in the 780 next
time to see if it boots. If I need to
reinstall Win10 I'm going to need some
guidance like where to start again.

How would it work with the 8500 since
I didn't create a HD for it but only
obtained the license key. How do I know
it will work? Do I do the slmgr/dlv
command to find out?

Robert
  #533  
Old August 27th 19, 10:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 12:46:05 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
I'm just glad the computer let you finish!

Paul
The thought occurred to me that since we
restored Win 7 and downloaded 270+ updates
that we erased the Win10 license key in the
process.

So my question is how do I know if I still
have the Win10 license key should I ever need
it. Even though we created a Win10 HD will it
even work in the 780 now? or am I OK? Is there
a way to check if I still have the license key?

Since I haven't done anything to the 8500 it
should still be there. We just didn't create a
separte HD like I did for the 780. I kinda of
wish I did now.

Robert

Your "spare" hard drive, if you installed the OS
correctly, should be bootable all by itself.

You could slide out the Win7 drive, plug in the
Win10 drive in its place, and use the same cable
the Win7 drive uses.

If you installed the Win10 correctly, now it should
boot. The "slmgr /dlv" command could review license
status (the OS should still be activated).

If you want to reinstall Windows 10, you can do that
at any time, with just the Windows 10 drive for the
780 in the machine by itself. You select "Skip" when
asked for a license key, and the installer will
license and activate the OS all by itself. With the
usual Windows Updates to follow automatically, afterwards.

Paul


I might switch the HD's in the 780 next
time to see if it boots. If I need to
reinstall Win10 I'm going to need some
guidance like where to start again.

How would it work with the 8500 since
I didn't create a HD for it but only
obtained the license key. How do I know
it will work? Do I do the slmgr/dlv
command to find out?

Robert


Your "spare" drive is a drive for experiments.

You could put the spare in the 8500, by itself,
boot the Win10 DVD you made, and do a Windows 10 Professional
install on it. At the beginning, select Custom,
select the partitions on the disk and delete them.
The installer can make whatever partitions it wants
after that. Later, when the install is finished,
you make a local account (there is a button on the
lower left for local account). For the license key
step, you can select "Skip" to make sure it activates
without any help. Running slmgr /dlv kater will give
the details.

Then move the spare drive back to the 780, boot the DVD,
erase the partitions, and have it reinstall over there.
Skip the license key entry. Verify afterwards that it
activated by itself, and OK.

That sequence would leave (for the time being) a disk
suitable for the 780 at the end, since you are doing the
780 second.

Paul
  #534  
Old August 28th 19, 01:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Your "spare" drive is a drive for experiments.

You could put the spare in the 8500,...




I switched HD's in the 780 and Win10 boots although
its still booting into the Admin account even though
I created a user account. How do I get it to login to
the user account where I don't have to type my password
each and every time?

Now my spare drive is a dedicated Win10 HD so that if I
need to I will have a Win10 HD already formatted and ready
to go for the 780. I would like to create one for the 8500
as well.

What CD did we create? As I remember the ISO was on the
Patriot flash key and still is I believe and we downloaded
it to the 8500. So should I create a CD from that?

I still have formatted spare Win7 HD's for the 780 and
the 8500 but I want to get more spare HD's to do this.

Robert

  #535  
Old August 28th 19, 04:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
Your "spare" drive is a drive for experiments.

You could put the spare in the 8500,...




I switched HD's in the 780 and Win10 boots although
its still booting into the Admin account even though
I created a user account. How do I get it to login to
the user account where I don't have to type my password
each and every time?

Now my spare drive is a dedicated Win10 HD so that if I
need to I will have a Win10 HD already formatted and ready
to go for the 780. I would like to create one for the 8500
as well.

What CD did we create? As I remember the ISO was on the
Patriot flash key and still is I believe and we downloaded
it to the 8500. So should I create a CD from that?

I still have formatted spare Win7 HD's for the 780 and
the 8500 but I want to get more spare HD's to do this.

Robert


In the right-click Start and then Run box, type

netplwiz

Click the user account you want to log into without
a password. Remember to adjust the tick box at the top,
so that it prompts (within the Netplwiz window) for
the password. You have to enter the password twice
there for confirmation. There's an Apply button.

On the next reboot, it should boot into the desktop,
as the unelevated user you created separately. It uses
the password you typed in twice in Netplwiz, as the
password to be entered automatically.

*******

I don't know what is on your Patriot stick right now, because
you might have tried to put a Macrium on there as well.

An installer image has a sources/ folder with either a
~4GB "install.wim" or "install.esd". Opening the files
with 7ZIP (the install.wim or install.esd), there will
be a series of numbered folders 1,2,3,4,5... plus a single
XML file at the bottom of the list. It is the XML
file (which can be opened in Notepad or Wordpad),
which lists the OSes available on the image. Like
Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Professional (the one you want),
Windows 10 Workstation, or whatever.

A Macrium USB key, has at least one .wim file, but it is
something the USB stick boots with. Macrium keys have
"Version" and "PEVersion" files, both of which are
text and open in Notepad.

You should be able to examine the Patriot and get some idea
what is on it, without booting it to test.

The reason 7ZIP is needed to open a .wim or .esd, is because
they are not .zip or .cab files. Windows has some tools fpr
..zip and .cab files (which allows "extracting" stuff). But
there are many other compression formats that Windows cares
not to expose. And that's when 7ZIP comes in handy.
7ZIP doesn't open InstallShield, Wise installer, or UPX
packed files - it's not a can opener for packers, just
for certain archival formats. I don't have a good unpackers kit
(you'd need around 30 tools for that). It's time consuming to
collect the whole set of them. Developers rely on them to
"hide" what is in files (which is *not* a good practice).

You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare
disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license
key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying
you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement).

Paul
  #536  
Old August 28th 19, 06:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare
disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license
key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying
you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement).

Paul


This is what's on the Patriot:

https://postimg.cc/zLJKjyY3

I looked into programs then downloads and found this:

https://postimg.cc/pyZSPFqX

Can I right click the last entry and create a CD from that?
Do I use DVD-R or DVD-RW or CD-R?

Thanks,
Robert

Robert

Robert
  #537  
Old August 28th 19, 07:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 10:31:01 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:

You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare
disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license
key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying
you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement).

Paul


This is what's on the Patriot:

https://postimg.cc/zLJKjyY3

I looked into programs then downloads and found this:

https://postimg.cc/pyZSPFqX

Can I right click the last entry and create a CD from that?
Do I use DVD-R or DVD-RW or CD-R?

Thanks,
Robert



I can create the Win 10 disc now but I have to wait
till next month before I can buy another HD for it.
In fact, I think I'll buy 2 so I'll have a spare again.

Robert
  #538  
Old August 28th 19, 08:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare
disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license
key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying
you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement).

Paul


This is what's on the Patriot:

https://postimg.cc/zLJKjyY3


The Patriot has Macrium on it.


I looked into programs then downloads and found this:

https://postimg.cc/pyZSPFqX

Can I right click the last entry and create a CD from that?
Do I use DVD-R or DVD-RW or CD-R?


Some of that image is obscured.

Wouldn't the Windows 10 (if MediaCreationTool1903 saved it) be
"windows.iso" or some sort of ISO file like that ? It's
probably on the XPS8500 - you might have been downloading
the Windows 10 over there or something.

In a File Explorer window, while at the top level of C: ,
you can use the search box in the upper right corner and use

ext:iso

to try and find an ISO which is big enough to be Windows 10.
It should be on the order of around 4GB or so.

You can also try finding it with Agent Ransack.

*******

Have you examined your collection of DVDs made so far,
to see if a Win10 one is there ?

*******

If you can find the ISO file, you can use Rufus to put
it on the Patriot flash key. The key would have to be
at least 8GB or so in size.

Doing this, would *remove* Macrium from the key.

https://rufus.ie/

Grab the portable version:

"Rufus 3.6 Portable (1.1 MB)" 1,136,184 bytes

https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/rel...rufus-3.6p.exe

Once you execute that, the setup will look like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/K8j0jBhy/rufus.gif

Paul


  #539  
Old August 29th 19, 12:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 8:08:04 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
Your "spare" drive is a drive for experiments.

You could put the spare in the 8500,...




I switched HD's in the 780 and Win10 boots although
its still booting into the Admin account even though
I created a user account. How do I get it to login to
the user account where I don't have to type my password
each and every time?

Now my spare drive is a dedicated Win10 HD so that if I
need to I will have a Win10 HD already formatted and ready
to go for the 780. I would like to create one for the 8500
as well.

What CD did we create? As I remember the ISO was on the
Patriot flash key and still is I believe and we downloaded
it to the 8500. So should I create a CD from that?

I still have formatted spare Win7 HD's for the 780 and
the 8500 but I want to get more spare HD's to do this.

Robert


In the right-click Start and then Run box, type

netplwiz

Click the user account you want to log into without
a password. Remember to adjust the tick box at the top,
so that it prompts (within the Netplwiz window) for
the password. You have to enter the password twice
there for confirmation. There's an Apply button.

On the next reboot, it should boot into the desktop,
as the unelevated user you created separately. It uses
the password you typed in twice in Netplwiz, as the
password to be entered automatically.



I forgot I added a new User Account on the Win7 HD after we brought it back up but forgot to add one for the Win10 HD. So I added a User Account to Win10 and followed your instructions and then clicked restart it then it went through a process of setting up again and finished OK on the desktop! I couldn't get the about:blank command to take. Every time I tried to drag the tab over to the home page icon it failed. I can work on this later when were doing the other Win 10 HD. Well, am switching the Win 7 HD back now.
Robert
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Old August 29th 19, 01:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 12:48:04 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
You can use the Patriot, to install Windows 10 on a spare
disk on the XPS8500 or the Optiplex 780. And the license
key currently on those machines is Windows 7 Pro, qualifying
you for Windows 10 Pro installations (Digital Entitlement).

Paul


This is what's on the Patriot:

https://postimg.cc/zLJKjyY3


The Patriot has Macrium on it.


I looked into programs then downloads and found this:

https://postimg.cc/pyZSPFqX

Can I right click the last entry and create a CD from that?
Do I use DVD-R or DVD-RW or CD-R?


Some of that image is obscured.

Wouldn't the Windows 10 (if MediaCreationTool1903 saved it) be
"windows.iso" or some sort of ISO file like that ? It's
probably on the XPS8500 - you might have been downloading
the Windows 10 over there or something.

In a File Explorer window, while at the top level of C: ,
you can use the search box in the upper right corner and use

ext:iso


I tried looking for the file and typed ext:iso and
nothing came back. I then looked at downloads again
and at the very bottom on the second image, is that
it?

Here's the downloads page:

https://postimg.cc/PvYtD7Bn

https://postimg.cc/rKGVFv1S

Robert


 




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